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p.2 #1 · p.2 #1 · New A7CII or used A7C?


steamtrain wrote:
How is this relating to the needs of the OP?



The best autofocus on any mirrorless camera out...How is that relevant to someone looking to buy an AF camera? You tell me sir



Oct 26, 2023 at 09:36 AM
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p.2 #2 · p.2 #2 · New A7CII or used A7C?


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Hi All,

Photography is a hobby, not my livelihood. My interest is mostly landscapes, not so much for birds or sports. I am trying to decide if the extra features of the newer CII is worth the extra cost over a new or slightly used A7C. The difference can be substantial enough to fund a lens...

I shoot mostly using primes, although I did own a Tamron 28-200 on my A7R2, which now belongs to my son. One of the reasons I am considering the smaller body is that at my age, I would prefer to lighten the load a bit, as
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How do you intend to display your images? If it's just sharing on phones or online or even printing under 24" I think either the A6700 or X-T5 would be great choices and save some weight and cost from Full Frame when you consider lenses. If you find yourself shooting in low light a lot, I would consider the A7iv. A wonderful combo might be the A7iv and Sigma 28-70 F2.8. That combo weighs in around 1128 grams. Of course the A7cii gets you some nice weight savings but as you said, the viewfinder can be tough. I'm pretty much shooting with just the LCD on the A7Cr (it makes me fill hip, like the kiddos, though )

The viewfinder, LCD resolution, and general usability of the X-T5 is fantastic and the AF is finally good enough. The added bonus of the film simulations, custom recipes, and options to shoot in clever aspect ratios (4:3 and 5:4 are awesome) are great. Pair that with the Sigma 18-50 F2.8 and you're looking at about 842 grams. The A6700 gets you even better AF performance, great image quality, and a great lineup of apsc lenses, including the Sigma 18-50 F2.8 and with that you're at a measly 783 grams.

The best part about all of this is you pretty much can't make a bad choice! All manufacturers are making incredible cameras and glass these days. We are very blessed!



Oct 26, 2023 at 10:28 AM
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p.2 #3 · p.2 #3 · New A7CII or used A7C?


RustyRus wrote:
The best autofocus on any mirrorless camera out...How is that relevant to someone looking to buy an AF camera? You tell me sir


RustyRus wrote:
someone looking to buy an AF camera

The OP is looking to buy a camera for landscapes, with adequate focusing capabilities. The fact there are no cameras without AF available being up to the task for other preferences doesn't take away from the fact even manual focusing can be easily adequate for shooting landscapes.
The AF of the A7III, A7C, A7CII and A7IV is simply all you need. In fact more than you need. Improvements are simply unnecessary for landscapes.



Oct 27, 2023 at 03:23 AM
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p.2 #4 · p.2 #4 · New A7CII or used A7C?


Thanks for all the replies and suggestions. In reading through them, it seems that one major decision factor is whether to go FF or APSC.

Given that my max size print is 2x3' and I may crop a bit, would I be better served with the FF? and secondarily, if FF what pixel density will be the best compromise? 24, 33, 42, etc? A secondary consideration relative to this are weight and cost.

So, to perhaps simplify, in looking at a cropped print from either sensor size and pixel density, will I really see enough difference to justify FF and in what pixel density?

Does this avenue make sense?



Oct 27, 2023 at 09:48 AM
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p.2 #5 · p.2 #5 · New A7CII or used A7C?


cosign wrote:
Thanks for all the replies and suggestions. In reading through them, it seems that one major decision factor is whether to go FF or APSC.

Given that my max size print is 2x3' and I may crop a bit, would I be better served with the FF? and secondarily, if FF what pixel density will be the best compromise? 24, 33, 42, etc? A secondary consideration relative to this are weight and cost.

So, to perhaps simplify, in looking at a cropped print from either sensor size and pixel density, will I really see enough difference to justify FF and in
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I recently got an A7CR and 16-35/2.8. For me, it makes and ideal landscape camera. And having a bit more resolution is great. Since you want it for landscape get a full frame with a bit higher resolution and a nice lens and you will love it.





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cosign wrote:
Thanks for all the replies and suggestions. In reading through them, it seems that one major decision factor is whether to go FF or APSC.

Given that my max size print is 2x3' and I may crop a bit, would I be better served with the FF? and secondarily, if FF what pixel density will be the best compromise? 24, 33, 42, etc? A secondary consideration relative to this are weight and cost.

So, to perhaps simplify, in looking at a cropped print from either sensor size and pixel density, will I really see enough difference to justify FF and in
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When shooting I enjoy the process of correct framing while composing on the fly more than cropping afterwards. How is that for you?

Image Quality and Mp aside, to make a decision between aps-c and full frame based on compactness it really matters what kind of focal lengths you like to shoot. I need some information there from you. If you shoot primes (you do) and you like compactness you have the Sigma 90mm f/2.8 being very sharp and very compact. Beyond 90mm the primes tend to get bigger and bulkier. Maybe the 135mm f/2.8 Zeiss Batis is another kind of sweet spot, being stabilized and considerably longer, however, it 614 grams, whereas the 90mm Sigma is only 295. So beyond 90mm the weight definitely goes up.

Now, if you want to shoot at the field of view of 135mm, you can achieve this in two ways with that 295 grams 90mm lens: get a 26Mp A6700 or 24Mp A6600/A6400 etc, or get the full frame 61 Mp A7CII and crop after the fact. A7RIII is 42Mp, which still gets you close to that 135mm. Full frame can do it for you, but:
- you will have to accept the cropping in post, which isn't every bodies cup of thee in the shooting process
- you will have to spend money on a higher Mp sensor

If you really want to go beyond that 135mm field of view aps-c definitely has the edge when compactness is important for you. But if 90mm is enough the aps-c primes aren't more compact than full frame primes when the max aperture doesn't matter, (and even if it does, you should also take into account the equivalent of an f/1.4 aperture on crop is only f/2.2ish compared to full frame).

I'm not really into the wider angle primes for the FE mount (enough other advice will be given here I guess), but I do know there's a Samyang 35mm f/1.8, a Sony 40mm f/2.5, a Samyang 45mm f/1.8, Sony 50mm f/2.5, Sigma 50mm f/2.0 (and a whole bunch of other 50mm options), A Sigma 65mm f/2.0, a 75mm Samyang f/1.8, there's a relatively light weight Samyang 85mm f/1.4 (mkII), the Sigma f/1.4 DN is compact but dense (heavy), but the Sigma 90mm f/2.8 is the clear winner if you can accept or want that 5mm extra, and - like you - don't need the brightest aperture.









Oct 29, 2023 at 06:20 AM
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p.2 #7 · p.2 #7 · New A7CII or used A7C?


steamtrain wrote:
When shooting I enjoy the process of correct framing while composing on the fly more than cropping afterwards. How is that for you?

Image Quality and Mp aside, to make a decision between aps-c and full frame based on compactness it really matters what kind of focal lengths you like to shoot. I need some information there from you. If you shoot primes (you do) and you like compactness you have the Sigma 90mm f/2.8 being very sharp and very compact. Beyond 90mm the primes tend to get bigger and bulkier. Maybe the 135mm f/2.8 Zeiss Batis is another kind
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Thanks for the replies; yes, using the R2 I did use a Samyang 75 f1.8; it was small, light and sharp. I also used the 35 as well. For longer the Tammy 28-200 worked well, but was quite heavy. Going forward I might opt for a 65mm walk around prime, and perhaps a lighter tele (haven't got that far yet).

I do need to check out the A7CII, but price/performance-wise the suggestion of the A7RIII might work best if I stay FF.



Oct 30, 2023 at 06:59 PM
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p.2 #8 · p.2 #8 · New A7CII or used A7C?


cosign wrote:
Thanks for the replies; yes, using the R2 I did use a Samyang 75 f1.8; it was small, light and sharp. I also used the 35 as well. For longer the Tammy 28-200 worked well, but was quite heavy. Going forward I might opt for a 65mm walk around prime, and perhaps a lighter tele (haven't got that far yet).

Did you have anything in mind has a narrow enough field of view for you, and is compact and light weight enough at the same time?

cosign wrote:
I do need to check out the A7CII, but price/performance-wise the suggestion of the A7RIII might work best if I stay FF.

I think the A7RIII is the best value for money if you stay on full frame. The decisive factor between aps-c and full frame is in the lenses. If you can get long enough for your needs on full frame in a compact and light weight enough package you should go full frame. If you actually need longer aps-c could be the better choice.



Oct 31, 2023 at 07:32 AM
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p.2 #9 · p.2 #9 · New A7CII or used A7C?


I am leaning towards the A7RIII for a couple of reasons: I know the system well from owning the R2, large FF sensor will provide lots of latitude in cropping and preserving details. In looking at the size and weight differences between it and the Fuji Xt5, frankly they are minimal at best - size is nearly identical; weight is 0.2 lb difference.

The one caveat is that it is a 6 year old camera. Yes, a generation newer than my previous Sony, but I am surprised that there is not a newer design that would fit my needs better? Which is one reason I have taken this long to research, and ask lots of question...thank you for your patience. : )



Oct 31, 2023 at 01:14 PM
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