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Canon RF-S 10-18mm to come

IlyaSnopchenko
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p.1 #1 · p.1 #1 · Canon RF-S 10-18mm to come

Just to continue the 10mm trend ... A much less exciting, but much needed entry to the lens catalogue is coming: the 10-18mm f/4.5-6.3 IS STM.
https://photorumors.com/2023/10/16/first-leaked-pictures-of-upcoming-canon-rf-s-10-18mm-f-4-5-6-3-is-stm-lens/
It's as dim as it gets (mostly) but very small and even goes down to 49mm filter threads. Guess it's a relief for the RF-S users who may have thought that they'd be stuck with the $2300 10-20mm f/4L if they ever needed an ultra wide.

Oct 17, 2023 at 01:39 AM

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p.1 #2 · p.1 #2 · Canon RF-S 10-18mm to come

IlyaSnopchenko wrote:
Guess it's a relief for the RF-S users who may have thought that they'd be stuck with the $2300 10-20mm f/4L if they ever needed an ultra wide.

They'd just adapt the EF-S version IMO? That's what we plan to do if we ever go from 6D / 77D to say R6 II / R7

Oct 17, 2023 at 07:52 AM

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p.1 #3 · p.1 #3 · Canon RF-S 10-18mm to come

Sure, if you already have the EF-S and don't mind the 1" adapter adding to the overall size. The leaked photo of the RF-S version suggests it will be very small. If it's similarly priced to the EF-S, most without prior attachment to the EF-S system will just pick the RF instead.

Oct 17, 2023 at 10:08 AM

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p.1 #4 · p.1 #4 · Canon RF-S 10-18mm to come

Yeah, once adapters are brought into the equation, everything becomes different. God bless the present day when you can cross-adapt... well, not everything, but a lot of stuff.

This lens, while completely unexciting parameter-wise, will surely be popular, if for no other reason than being (most likely) the only native RF-S ultrawide, at least for the foreseeable future.

Oct 17, 2023 at 11:06 AM

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p.1 #5 · p.1 #5 · Canon RF-S 10-18mm to come

The old EF-S 10-18 IS STM is pretty dad burn small and light even with adapter. I only use it on my R7 for video when on stage or tight other spaces, so probably not going to "upgrade." However if the new version is priced the same as the EF-S version it will sell well.

I was expecting a port of the EF-M 11-22mm f/4-5.6 STM Lens but maybe 10 is the magic number.

Oct 17, 2023 at 11:41 AM

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p.1 #6 · p.1 #6 · Canon RF-S 10-18mm to come

I'd be more excited to unpack toilet paper than one of these. Seriously Canon has completely lost the plot with their RF line.

Oct 17, 2023 at 12:47 PM

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p.1 #7 · p.1 #7 · Canon RF-S 10-18mm to come

tomasr wrote:
I'd be more excited to unpack toilet paper than one of these. Seriously Canon has completely lost the plot with their RF line.

Well, I wouldn't have put it quite as harshly, but I sure wouldn't have minded seeing a lens with a little bit more exciting parameters.

I mean, Sigma has a 10-18/2.8 and Tamron an 11-20/2.8 (although admittedly neither is quite as compact).

Oct 17, 2023 at 03:04 PM

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p.1 #8 · p.1 #8 · Canon RF-S 10-18mm to come

It sounds like a crop version of the RF 15-30. For the things I shoot with such wide angle lenses, the small aperture wouldn't bother me, given the likely excellent IS. If I didn't already own an EF 16-35 f/4, I'd consider an ultrawide RF. They're so small and light that I'd be more inclined to carry it. The adapted 16-35 is just big and heavy enough that it stays at home unless I'm more than 50% sure I'll want to use it.

Oct 17, 2023 at 03:10 PM

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p.1 #9 · p.1 #9 · Canon RF-S 10-18mm to come

tomasr wrote:
I'd be more excited to unpack toilet paper than one of these. Seriously Canon has completely lost the plot with their RF line.

Probably the biggest complaint against any real camera system is the size and weight, particularly the lenses. Having small and light lenses available is a good thing. No one's forcing you to buy them.

Oct 17, 2023 at 03:12 PM

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p.1 #10 · p.1 #10 · Canon RF-S 10-18mm to come

tomasr wrote:
I'd be more excited to unpack toilet paper than one of these. Seriously Canon has completely lost the plot with their RF line.

They saw dollar signs as they convert former M-series and Rebel/Kiss owners to the new APS-C range: R7, R10, R50 and R100. They just released the RF 10-20L for the big dawg shooters.

Oct 17, 2023 at 03:26 PM

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p.1 #11 · p.1 #11 · Canon RF-S 10-18mm to come

Looks like a nice little package. I'm not really in the market, but some day in the distant future my M6II is going to die and I'll be happy to have small lenses like this to go with the R50/R100 to replace it.

_Brian

Oct 17, 2023 at 03:27 PM

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p.1 #12 · p.1 #12 · Canon RF-S 10-18mm to come

Gochugogi wrote:
They saw dollar signs as they convert former M-series and Rebel/Kiss owners to the new APS-C range: R7, R10, R50 and R100. They just released the RF 10-20L for the big dawg shooters.
Not sure why they didn't just rehouse the EF-M 11-22 like they did with the 18-150, though. :-)

Oct 17, 2023 at 04:00 PM

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p.1 #13 · p.1 #13 · Canon RF-S 10-18mm to come

Maybe Canon felt there was room for improvement? I used the 11-22 with the M6II during an extended loan period and thought it had some weaknesses through its range. Wasn't really that impressed with it like I was with the 32/1.4. Granted, those are two very different lenses. While maybe somewhat unrealistic given the vastly different price points, I just didn't feel the 11-22 compared favorably to my experience with the 16-35/4 on FF, in respect to across-frame sharpness/performance.

Oct 17, 2023 at 10:07 PM

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p.1 #14 · p.1 #14 · Canon RF-S 10-18mm to come

But this lens doesn't look like it's an improvement over the 11-22 in any regard: smaller, slower, more plasticky, shorter range. I guess there can be hope for a higher tier crop ultrawide to be released later on (like there were the 10-22 and 10-18 in the EF-S lineup), but Canon's ways are inscrutable.

Oct 18, 2023 at 12:16 AM

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p.1 #15 · p.1 #15 · Canon RF-S 10-18mm to come

IlyaSnopchenko wrote:
But this lens doesn't look like it's an improvement over the 11-22 in any regard: smaller, slower, more plasticky, shorter range. I guess there can be hope for a higher tier crop ultrawide to be released later on (like there were the 10-22 and 10-18 in the EF-S lineup), but Canon's ways are inscrutable.

I doubt that we will see more premium lenses from Canon for the RF-s. I think their strategy is that is you want premium then go full frame.
Honestly I think it is sensible strategy for Canon. The RF-s will be ultra competitive on price. For everything else there is FF.
The industry is under immense pressure from smartphones on the lower end so they need to be smart on where they spend the resources.

Oct 18, 2023 at 01:38 AM

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p.1 #16 · p.1 #16 · Canon RF-S 10-18mm to come

In my view, the 10-18 mm range just seems a more valuable extension to the RF-S 18-45 or 18-150 than a re-housed 11-22 would be.

Oct 18, 2023 at 03:21 AM

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alundeb wrote:
In my view, the 10-18 mm range just seems a more valuable extension to the RF-S 18-45 or 18-150 than a re-housed 11-22 would be.
I think these two ranges served different purposes. In EF, the 10-22 was meant to mesh with a full-frame 24-something lens (24-70, 24-85, 24-105), while the 10-18 was aimed at complimenting EF-S zooms (18-135, 17-55 etc.) This was also reflected in how 10-22 was way more upscale than the 10-18.

matejphoto wrote:
I doubt that we will see more premium lenses from Canon for the RF-s. I think their strategy is that is you want premium then go full frame.

I feel the same, even though I don't like this one bit (but then again, I'm not buying into the RF system anyway). After all, Canon once gave us the 17-55/2.8, which was an excellent lens - even if mine did break a couple of times. But the IQ and the AF was there.

Honestly I think it is sensible strategy for Canon. The RF-s will be ultra competitive on price. For everything else there is FF.
The industry is under immense pressure from smartphones on the lower end so they need to be smart on where they spend the resources.

Ironically, if one starts digging into the equivalence thing, the cellphones might sometimes have an edge over these ultra slow lenses. Of course, the sensor size advantage is still there anyway, but RF-S certainly would be near the bottom of my option list if I had been buying into a new camera system without prior attachments, simply because how uninspiring the lenses are. I do have a Nikon Z 16-50/3.5-6.3 pancake zoom, but even this one looks quite a bit more appealing than the Canon 18-45/4.5-6.3: bigger range on both sides, and slightly faster aperture towards the wide side.

Oct 18, 2023 at 03:33 AM

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p.1 #18 · p.1 #18 · Canon RF-S 10-18mm to come

IlyaSnopchenko wrote:
I think these two ranges served different purposes. In EF, the 10-22 was meant to mesh with a full-frame 24-something lens (24-70, 24-85, 24-105), while the 10-18 was aimed at complimenting EF-S zooms (18-135, 17-55 etc.)
I agree that the ranges serve different purposes. In fact, I already have the EF-M 11-22 on the M6II as a compact walk-around solution without any other lenses. There, the 11-22 mm range is much more useful than 10-18 would be.

Oct 18, 2023 at 03:40 AM

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p.1 #19 · p.1 #19 · Canon RF-S 10-18mm to come

It's not like we are lacking choice in this range: RF 10-20 4L or EF 11-24 L for the well heeled; EF-S 10-18 IS STM or EF-S 10-22 USM for budget or retro inclined folks and now the RF-S 10-18. Plus, assorted aftermarket Sigma and Tamron. While many R7/R10 shooters own the kit lens, I'd venture to guess they mainly prefer and use RF or EF telephoto zooms and a full range of RF-S selections isn't needed. Plus, most of them will want to share lenses with their FF R cameras. Well that what I do...

Oct 18, 2023 at 03:41 AM

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p.1 #20 · p.1 #20 · Canon RF-S 10-18mm to come

I guess it depends on how we use the crop R cameras. For me, weight and convenience is top priority for lenses when used in complement with the RF 100-400. Using FF 24-xx lenses in the mid-range just gets too complicated and heavy compared to the 18-150.

Oct 18, 2023 at 04:27 AM

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