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What is/are the best online site(s) to find detailed, dependable Canon lens reviews and ratings/

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Oct 12, 2023 at 01:11 PM
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https://www.the-digital-picture.com/


Oct 12, 2023 at 01:16 PM
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I like The-Digital-Picture.com. He uses a consistent methodology than makes it easy to compare lenses. I made many lens purchase decisions using the lens comparison tools from this website.


Oct 12, 2023 at 01:18 PM
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+1 for that site. There are others, but that's the single best that you should check out first. Once you get used to the format, you can read through the fluff (the "fluff" being very good information in itself, but mostly boilerplate that gets repeated for similar types of lenses).


Oct 12, 2023 at 02:34 PM
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Thanks very much guys. I appreciate it.
Rudy



Oct 12, 2023 at 03:25 PM
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Not a big TDP fan, I like opticallimits better.


Oct 12, 2023 at 04:36 PM
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I like Opticallimits very much, but a lot of their tests aren't really valid anymore these days, as they're made with a 8MP crop sensor. So that's ~20MP FF, but only center of the lens.

Those lens reviews could use some update, but they may not afford it the effort, or the lens aren't available to them anymore. Some were loaned, I vaguely remember.



Oct 12, 2023 at 05:26 PM
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AmbientMike wrote:
Not a big TDP fan, I like opticallimits better.


I like Opticallimits but I find their reviews not apples to apples because:
- They shoot close in - fill the frame with the the target - thus not overly good for landscape shot at infinity
- They get grumpy about optical correction and about technical challenges. It is still not clear to me what their measures means and they do not explain it well. Sometimes their results are corrected, sometimes not.
- Their review often are too late to be useful
- Much of their tests are not comparable - eg 8mpx vs 51mpx
- Their tests are for camera/lens combination
- They have small budget and only test what they want and are qualitatively suspect and hard to compare apples to apples.

The Digital picture is excellent because it provides apples to apples visual tests but:
- It is shot close in - not at infinity
- it is really canon focussed

Youtube:
Ordinary Filmmaker does some good reviews https://www.youtube.com/@OrdinaryFilmmaker/videos
Camera Labs - Gordan Laing - does some good reviews https://www.youtube.com/@cameralabs/videos
Christopher Frost - does some good reviews - https://www.youtube.com/@christopherfrost/videos


For non canon Lens - lenstip.com is quite good, especially for coma review.
For adapted lens I like Phil Reeve - he does good reviews but on Sony cameras so - colour shift can be different
Lensrentals.com used to be the best source in their blog because it was at infiinity with copy to copy standard deviation and there is still lots of information on older canon lens but not new RF lens.

I used to use https://www.dxomark.com/camera-lenses/ but they are not testing much anymore

I used to subscribe to digilloyd blog but he seems to be ignoring canon lately. But good for Leica, Sony, Fuji


In short, I use lots but I find the digital picture to be the easiest to consume. But tested mostly at close in vs infinity.



Oct 12, 2023 at 05:49 PM
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The comparison tools are great at the Digital Picture and he's my first stop for lens reviews. However, if you've read one review, you've read them all. More than 50% of his writeup is recycled filler used in every lens review. So you have to speed-read to find the important points. With that said, it's much easier to scan through an article with fluff than a video full of BS, mumbling and advert interruptions. I kinda like Christopher Frost's video reviews. He seems honest, keeps on point and doesn't show too much face (talking head). https://www.youtube.com/@christopherfrost


Oct 12, 2023 at 08:12 PM
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The Digital Picture is the most consistent methodology. If I have a nitpick, it's that the site's test charts for sharpness comparison are shot at whatever distance fills the frame for that lens (IIRC the charts are about 4' in size?). As you can imagine, for wider angle lenses, the shooting distance will be very close and the results may not be representative of a given lens when used at other distances, such as near-infinity scenes. I believe most lenses are generally optimized for infinity performance (or thereabouts). It's true TDP is very Canon-centric, but I appreciate that more now because many other sites have lately posted less Canon related content.

I also like Phillip Reeve's site for alt lens reviews, but realize Phillip doesn't review much any more and it's mostly Bastian Kratzke, who is methodical but seems to have grudge against 'over priced' brands. Or non-third-party-friendly brands. You won't find much about Canon there unless it's older FD or EF adapted to Sony mirrorless. I think all or most of the contributors on PhillipReeve are also FM members, which is nice. And that site is not focused on monetization. They have the usual affiliate links but nothing visually annoying.

A good reviewer is our own Fred Miranda, however he doesn't currently use Canon and therefore only reviews lenses relevant to the systems he currently uses (which I believe are Sony and Leica with some Fuji X mount, too). His reviews are generally posted on the relevant equipment brand's board. He does infinity scenes and compares center, mid zone and corner performance through the aperture range. He also photographs various things at closer distances to incorporate focus fall off for a better feel for how a given lens handles focus transitions as well as background and foreground blur/bokeh. It's just unfortunate he's not reviewing anything from Canon, but could imagine if he tried to review everything available, he'd be doing it all day, every day. I get the feeling he's at a certain point in his life where he just wants to be able to enjoy time with his family while having some fun with gear that interests him. Anyway, more off topic than the OP requested...



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Scott Stoness wrote:
I like Opticallimits but I find their reviews not apples to apples because:
- They shoot close in - fill the frame with the the target - thus not overly good for landscape shot at infinity
- They get grumpy about optical correction and about technical challenges. It is still not clear to me what their measures means and they do not explain it well. Sometimes their results are corrected, sometimes not.
- Their review often are too late to be useful
- Much of their tests are not comparable - eg 8mpx vs 51mpx
- Their tests are for camera/lens combination
- They
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According to TDP 150-600 Tamron is apparently sharper at 600mm than my 180 Tamron. Unless they've corrected that test. I don't believe that, so it's hard to take it super seriously after that. Other stuff too.

Disagree with the comment about opticallimits being quaitatively suspect. I consider them the best out there. I've never heard of an infinity test target, I think the old USAF done at ~1:50, which is probably not bad for general shooting. Not one to pre order anyway, as far as timing, they seemed to have softened their text on some older lenses like needing 4 copies of the 24-70/2.8 v1 to get good centering, for one, so I don't like that. The distortion charts are marked corrected and uncorrected, I don't remember having too much trouble though you may have to read the text. I'm mostly glad to see complaining about computational imaging, it is a problem.

Is Lensrentals.com doing f/8 something besides wide open? need something besides wide open. Dxo was doing some sort of average of all the different performance at different apertures last I looked, didn't make much sense.





Oct 12, 2023 at 10:36 PM
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rscheffler wrote:
The Digital Picture is the most consistent methodology. If I have a nitpick, it's that the site's test charts for sharpness comparison are shot at whatever distance fills the frame for that lens (IIRC the charts are about 4' in size?). As you can imagine, for wider angle lenses, the shooting distance will be very close and the results may not be representative of a given lens when used at other distances, such as near-infinity scenes. I believe most lenses are generally optimized for infinity performance (or thereabouts). It's true TDP is very Canon-centric, but I appreciate that more now
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For optical performance, image magnification is a better measure than the shooting distance. For a given test chart size, the magnification is the same for all lenses. But you are right, test chart lens performance differs from a near-infinity scenario. How much depends very much on the lens design. There are many lenses for which the difference is negligible, but in some cases it is quite noticeable. Just look at Canon's super telephoto lenses, they are far from impressive. TDP does not have enough working room to test them with the standard chart, so he uses even smaller charts for these lenses.




Oct 13, 2023 at 12:51 PM
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Dustin Abbott is another good YouTube reviewer.
https://www.youtube.com/@dustinabbottTWI



Oct 13, 2023 at 01:43 PM
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OP, the-digital-picture's text reviews aren't worth much because it's mostly copy&pasting generic SEO paragraphs, but the site does carry useful sharpness, vignette, and distortion tools, so it can be worth checking there if you want very 'dry' comparisons between lenses in purely technical terms.

The same goes for DxOmark, though they are much slower to publish results because they don't get early freebies, instead waiting for retail production units, and they test multiple copies and average them in order to produce their results. They rarely publish reviews, but like TDP, their various charts and comparison tools can be useful, given that every other aspect of a lens is entirely subjective anyway. They are definitely the most detailed, once you understand what their testing procedure is and how to interpret their results.

OpticalLimits are another decent source for dreary 'lab tests' on an individual basis, though they're not so good for comparing lenses against each other as they rarely go back and re-test lenses on newer platforms, so if you look at reviews that were done more than a couple of years apart, there's a good chance the lenses were tested on entirely different bodies.

For full text reviews, I'll throw my +1 to Dustin Abbott. Some of his much older third-party reviews were a little suspect, in that he only very briefly disclosed his relationship with manufacturers, though he's been better about that for years now, and now gets most of his review units from shops or rental anyway. He does go in-depth in both technical and artistic aspects, and he's one of the few reviewers around who has his head on his shoulders when it comes to price and where products fit in the overall market, rather than simply going "ooh it's sharp, so who cares that it's £50000, you NEED it" like so many others.
His reviews are produced in text, as well as in both full and shortened videos, so you can get them however you like.

The other I'll mention, though they mostly cover news and camera bodies more than lenses, are Tony and Chelsea Northrup. They get a lot of criticism because every fanboy perceives them as being biased against/for every brand (Canon users say they're paid by Sony, Sony users say they're paid by Canon, Nikon users say they are paid by Canon and Sony, etc...), but that just comes with the territory of being an actually independent reviewer of anything. They're actually very trustworthy specifically because they're so independently wealthy that they aren't beholden to any manufacturer, and can just buy or rent whatever products they want to cover, even if a manufacturer doesn't want them to. They were loaded years before they started their channel, so they don't have to suck up to anyone, and the only shops they're associated with are independents and second hand dealers.

As a very general rule, the publications, websites, and individual reviewers who the fanboys don't like are the good ones who will critique a product within the context of the whole market and fully convey to you their experience and impressions without leaving anything out. They're unpopular because they dare to say that the latest hyped-up product the fanboys have pre-ordered isn't faultless.

The outlets who the fanboys like are the useless ones who are just going to tell you to buy everything, unless it has become trendy to not like something, in which case they'll jump on that clickbait train and tell you it's the worst product ever made, too.

Scott Stoness wrote:
Youtube:
Ordinary Filmmaker does some good reviews https://www.youtube.com/@OrdinaryFilmmaker/videos
Camera Labs - Gordan Laing - does some good reviews https://www.youtube.com/@cameralabs/videos
Christopher Frost - does some good reviews - https://www.youtube.com/@christopherfrost/videos

#1 is an infamous hack who nobody in the industry will touch and grifts based on reading out rumour sites' headlines as facts.
#2 relies on getting preview units under agreement from manufacturers, thus has a vested interest in appeasing them.
#3 is a horrific person (pay close attention to some of his literature recommendations in his earlier videos) and very crooked, having been caught out reselling review copies. (I should know; I bought one, not knowing it was him until I saw the return address on the parcel!)

I'm not sure you could have picked a less-trustworthy trio of channels to promote.



Oct 14, 2023 at 04:41 PM
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Great, almost everybody on earth—save for two rich dudes—are a steaming pile of unethical shite. Gird your loins and guard your plastic, the sky is falling...


Oct 14, 2023 at 05:53 PM
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I tend to use TDP, Dustin Abbot, Gordon Lang, and Christopher Frost and then average them all together.


Oct 14, 2023 at 07:37 PM
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sebjmatthews wrote:
OP, the-digital-picture's text reviews aren't worth much because it's mostly copy&pasting generic SEO paragraphs, but the site does carry useful sharpness, vignette, and distortion tools, so it can be worth checking there if you want very 'dry' comparisons between lenses in purely technical terms.

The same goes for DxOmark, though they are much slower to publish results because they don't get early freebies, instead waiting for retail production units, and they test multiple copies and average them in order to produce their results. They rarely publish reviews, but like TDP, their various charts and comparison tools can be useful, given that
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Informative posts. Personally, I always wonder those reviewers who get a sample lens from manufacturer, won’t they be given cherry picked ones? Kind of make the reviews useless…

+1 for Dustin Abbott because he was the only reviewer of 70-200mm gm ii who mentioned the OSS is useless, as in he doesn’t see any adv over non-oss lens like 35-150mm. Something which I found out after I did my own tests….

I never knew the tony guy is rich….

I like Philip Reeve because their review on rendering is good. Not many sites even review bokeh at the transitions. They also buy their own lens?



Oct 14, 2023 at 07:47 PM
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sebjmatthews wrote:
[Gordon Laing] relies on getting preview units under agreement from manufacturers, thus has a vested interest in appeasing them.


I don’t think he conceals that fact. The same thing goes on in the car industry. Look in vain for mention of the water pump failures on VWs, unless it’s a reviewer who reviews only used examples.

[Christopher Frost] is a horrific person (pay close attention to some of his literature recommendations in his earlier videos) and very crooked, having been caught out reselling review copies. (I should know; I bought one, not knowing it was him until I saw the return address on the parcel!)

I have no idea what accepted practice is in the camera industry, but a friend of mine wrote reviews for a prominent computer magazine back in the day, and also sold software and books he had got for review. It was standard, expected practice and legal. Actually, I once helped him move house and there were so many computer books he had not sold that we put dozens in the recycling. The publishers did not want them back.

But the far simpler explanation is that the lens he sold you was one he himself bought on eBay. He has said this is what he does,

I haven’t watched any of Frost’s religious videos, but the guy doesn’t hide the fact that he is an Anglican vicar. Of course he has all kinds of religious bools lying around from his divinity degree, and you can’t assume he agrees with what’s written in a book he used as a test target. BTW, Dustin Abbott is also a priest, of the Pentecostal type, who wrote and sells a book about Revelations.

I don’t think, with the limited interest in photo gear these days, that we are in a position to be picky about reviewers.



Oct 14, 2023 at 10:53 PM
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None are perfect. I don't agree with any of them 100%.

Fro is good, surprised he hasn't been mentioned



Oct 15, 2023 at 03:22 PM
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I prefer OpticalLimits (well, ever since it was called Photozone). Most of the other sites I've read back in the days of yore have either vanished or ceased to review lenses (DPR I am looking at you). TDP is a good read sometimes, too, although Bryan's attitude of "just get the 600/4L" was kind of grating (he's warmed up to the cheaper stuff since, though). I enjoy Dustin Abbott's reviews (text, not video, mind you) too.

Speaking of PZ/OL reviews... I don't think it's fair to criticize them for having many old reviews, because these are mostly for lenses that have been phased out anyway (yes, the Canon 24-85 USM was never reviewed on high MP FF body... But would anyone - except me, of course - ever want to read about such a bloodbath?) They have had some obvious omissions, like never reviewing Tamron's 35/1.4, 45/1.8 or 35-150/2.8-4, but that can be partly blamed on the fact that Klaus has moved to Australia where it seems hard to procure more exotic gear. That and, of course, they're a small and not very profitable venture, and their Nikon writer has fallen out of the loop for a couple of years presumably due to being busy with work and family, and who can blame him for that? But even in such circumstances, they keep churning out some pretty darned interesting reviews, and keep a lot of ground covered.

P.S. And who can forget Lenstip.com. Their English is sometimes iffy but their reviews look very good and thorough.



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