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The Leica M11-P is expected to be released by November 2023

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p.1 #1 · p.1 #1 · The Leica M11-P is expected to be released by November 2023

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A quick update on my last post about the upcoming Leica M11-P camera – the latest rumors indicated that the M11-P will be officially announced in November 2023. Stay tuned for updates."

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Leica is rumored/expected to announce a new M11-P camera by the end of the year (2023).

Here is the previous release history of digital Leica M cameras:

Leica M10: January 2017
Leica M10P: August 2018
Leica M10M: January 2020
Leica M10R: July 2020
Leica M11: January 2022
Leica M11M: April 2023

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It's likely that the Leica M11-P will be announced soon! Who's planning to get one? I'm still loving my M10-R Black Paint.

Oct 09, 2023 at 06:14 PM

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p.1 #2 · p.1 #2 · The Leica M11-P is expected to be released by November 2023

My M11 is just so close to perfect now for how I shoot it. I am trying to think what they could add that would compel me to upgrade.

IBIS? So far I am able to get nice crisp images without it. Maybe I could shoot a couple of stops slower shutter speeds and lower my ISO. But I am not having noise issues as it is. My M glass is between f/1.4 and f/2.0 so I usually have plenty of light.

Some sort of flippy LCD screen on the back? But, I shoot through the Range Finder 90+ percent of the time. The only time I shoot from the rear screen is landscapes or portraits on a tripod. Otherwise it is RF, or RVF for me.

Wireless charging? I am very happy with the USB-C for charging and downloading.

Bigger battery? Mine lasts days of shooting now. If I ever need to top off my USB covers me fine. I feel I wasted money on the 2nd battery. I bought it based on my M10-P experience only.

Better WiFi communication? Leica Fotos works great on the M11. In fact so good that if I ever want to shoot very low to the ground it works better than a flippy screen.

More resolution? No way am I interested in that.

Built in selectable RF or EVF? Hmmmm. The EVF would have to be exceptional good, and stable. It must not reduce the RF experience one little bit.

I can paint out my own red logo dot if I want.

I don't care about paint, or different engravings. Mine already has a very stealthy Alphaguard covering.

I wonder what they will come up with?

Anyone have ideas on what else?

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p.1 #3 · p.1 #3 · The Leica M11-P is expected to be released by November 2023

I love my M10-R to the point that I have a used M10-R BP on the way

The M11 is intriguing but so far it is not enough to give up the M10-R. An M11-P will be intriguing but IS and a tilt screen are probably the only things that might make me move.

Oct 09, 2023 at 06:38 PM

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Oct 09, 2023 at 06:53 PM

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I'm guessing none of the above. A bump in the internal memory to match the M11M and a new paint job, is my guess. Maybe a black paint version with brass top.

Anything else will be saved for the M12.

Gordon

I don't really care much about the finish, and I have yet to fill the internal memory in the M11. So far no interest in the upgrade.

Oct 09, 2023 at 07:02 PM

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p.1 #6 · p.1 #6 · The Leica M11-P is expected to be released by November 2023

I heard it's a remake of the classic and beloved M9.

But it will just be an M11 dressed up like an M9, even though Leica will claim "all new parts".

Oct 09, 2023 at 07:09 PM

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p.1 #7 · p.1 #7 · The Leica M11-P is expected to be released by November 2023

maybe change whatever internal chip is causing the M11 lockups (if they have a clue yet...)

Oct 09, 2023 at 08:24 PM

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p.1 #8 · p.1 #8 · The Leica M11-P is expected to be released by November 2023

1bwana1 wrote:
My M11 is just so close to perfect now for how I shoot it. I am trying to think what they could add that would compel me to upgrade.

IBIS? So far I am able to get nice crisp images without it. Maybe I could shoot a couple of stops slower shutter speeds and lower my ISO. But I am not having noise issues as it is. My M glass is between f/1.4 and f/2.0 so I usually have plenty of light.

Some sort of flippy LCD screen on the back? But, I shoot through the Range Finder 90+ percent of the...Show more →

The M10-P had some significant changes beyond just its looks. It brought in a touchscreen and a quieter shutter, which were noteworthy improvements. As for the upcoming M11-P, we do know they're removing the red dot and adding some engraving on the top plate. It's also possible that they'll upgrade the internal memory, but we'll have to wait for more information to be sure.

It would be great if they focus on improving the camera's reliability and production consistency in the upcoming model by replacing some hardware.

Oct 09, 2023 at 08:27 PM

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Stephen G wrote:
maybe change whatever internal chip is causing the M11 lockups (if they have a clue yet...)

Not sure what is causing the issue on some cameras. Mine doesn't exhibit this problem. I shoot it daily without lockups.

Oct 09, 2023 at 08:35 PM

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1bwana1 wrote:
Not sure what is causing the issue on some cameras. Mine doesn't exhibit this problem. I shoot it daily without lockups.

That's why consistency is crucial. It works for you but not for many others including myself.

Oct 09, 2023 at 08:42 PM

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p.1 #11 · p.1 #11 · The Leica M11-P is expected to be released by November 2023

In other news, it seems the M11 "Silver" is discontinued in Japan. Does this means no more brass top plate?

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With the upcoming Leica M11-P camera, the silver M11 model is already listed as discontinued at several Japanese retailers:

Camera Kitamura: Completed products
Map camera: Discontinued product, limited stock
Bic Camera: Sale ends
Yodobashi Camera: Discontinued

Oct 09, 2023 at 08:44 PM

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p.1 #12 · p.1 #12 · The Leica M11-P is expected to be released by November 2023

Fred Miranda wrote:
The M10-P had some significant changes beyond just its looks. It brought in a touchscreen and a quieter shutter, which were noteworthy improvements. As for the upcoming M11-P, we do know they're removing the red dot and adding some engraving on the top plate. It's also possible that they'll upgrade the internal memory, but we'll have to wait for more information to be sure.

It would be great if they focus on improving the camera's reliability and consistency in the upcoming model by replacing some hardware.

In the M10-P, it was similar to the M10M and M10R with the engineering (non-cosmetic) differences from the base M10. Looking to the engineering (non-cosmetic) differences in the M11M vs. M11 ... I mean, it strikes me that the M11-P will essentially be a M11M (engineering / non-cosmetic) with a BFA installed.

I think the relationship between the M-P and M-M were also similar engineering diff's vs. the base model M. So, if I follow this model from the M > M10 > M11, I'd be surprised if there is much engineering change from the M11M to the M11-P (other than the obvious BFA). Although, I wouldn't mind if they could get the metering to be more like the M10. No matter for me, though ... M11 isn't in my vocabulary (except the occasional dream of an M11M).

I did enjoy my M-P, since it had the better shutter release than the M. Engraved top plate and black screw were nice, but the cosmetics were just a nice benefit, whereas the shutter release (and buffer) were the engineering diffs that made the M-P model my initial entry point (vs. base M). Still, I can't think of what engineering diff's they would bring to the M11-P that isn't already in the M11M (BFA, notwithstanding).

Guess we'll learn soon enough if this is purely cosmetic, or they have some actual engineering diffs (i.e. internal memory +

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p.1 #13 · p.1 #13 · The Leica M11-P is expected to be released by November 2023

Fred Miranda wrote:
In other news, it seems the M11 "Silver" is discontinued in Japan. Does this means no more brass top plate?

From LR:

With the upcoming Leica M11-P camera, the silver M11 model is already listed as discontinued at several Japanese retailers:

Camera Kitamura: Completed products
Map camera: Discontinued product, limited stock
Bic Camera: Sale ends
Yodobashi Camera: Discontinued

Does that mean my Silver version with the brass top is more rare and valuable?

Oct 09, 2023 at 08:47 PM

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p.1 #14 · p.1 #14 · The Leica M11-P is expected to be released by November 2023

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In the M10-P, it was similar to the M10M and M10R with the engineering (non-cosmetic) differences from the base M10. Looking to the engineering (non-cosmetic) differences in the M11M vs. M11 ... I mean, it strikes me that the M11-P will essentially be a M11M (engineering / non-cosmetic) with a BFA installed.

I think the relationship between the M-P and M-M were also similar engineering diff's vs. the base model M. So, if I follow this model from the M > M10 > M11, I'd be surprised if there is much engineering change from the M11M to the M11-P (other...Show more →

The M11-P being basically a M11-M with a bayer filter seems reasonable to me. Leica may also improve the LCD glass, possibly switching from Gorilla glass to sapphire crystal, similar to what they did when going from the M9 to the M9-P, which is also seen on the M11-M.

It's possible that the M11-P could be offered in a brass-only finish. While they may not change the metering system, Leica might consider providing a meter-less "option" for those who prefer faster shooting, similar to the M-A model.

Oct 09, 2023 at 09:00 PM

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p.1 #15 · p.1 #15 · The Leica M11-P is expected to be released by November 2023

1bwana1 wrote:
Does that mean my Silver version with the brass top is more rare and valuable?

If this expands to other countries, the silver finish will indeed be less produced and therefore more rare.

Oct 09, 2023 at 09:02 PM

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p.1 #16 · p.1 #16 · The Leica M11-P is expected to be released by November 2023

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The M11-P being basically a M11-M with a bayer filter seems reasonable to me. Leica may also improve the LCD glass, possibly switching from Gorilla glass to sapphire crystal, similar to what they did when going from the M9 to the M9-P, which is also seen on the M11-M.

It's possible that the M11-P could be offered in a brass-only finish. While they may not change the metering system, Leica might consider providing a meter-less "option" for those who prefer faster shooting, similar to the M-A model.

Meter-less shooting would be a boon for some.

A brass only version would be good too. I mean, if the M11-P is the ultimate (color) M camera (

for some ) ... to be kept for a LONG time, proper brassing patina would be welcome.

Oct 09, 2023 at 09:56 PM

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p.1 #17 · p.1 #17 · The Leica M11-P is expected to be released by November 2023

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Meter-less shooting would be a boon for some.

A brass only version would be good too. I mean, if the M11-P is the ultimate (color) M camera (

for some ) ... to be kept for a LONG time, proper brassing patina would be welcome.

The traditional light meter has already been removed from the M11. Exposure is calculated directly off the sensor now. It is both more accurate, and more flexible than tradional light meters ever were. No more blown highlights. I would hate to give that up.

You are also free to ignore it and set all exposure parameters by eye using Sunny 16 or whatever. Like Burger King you can have it your way.

Oct 09, 2023 at 10:22 PM

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Leica might consider providing a meter-less "option" for those who prefer faster shooting, similar to the M-A model.

That would be interesting for sure. Though I doubt anything the M 11 family could offer would move me away from the M 10 M. If Leica would make an M Mono that is an M-A (no LCD) with a mechanical shutter and the only electronics would be for the sensor, now that just might be tempting.

Oct 10, 2023 at 06:21 AM

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p.1 #19 · p.1 #19 · The Leica M11-P is expected to be released by November 2023

All new Leica camera models are too expensive for what I am willing to spend either new or used at this point - simple as this. I will continue using my M-E 240 and MM 246 models for digital and other M series cameras with film. At some point I might upgrade to a successor M (or maybe EVF-based Q with interchangeable lens mount?) camera model but not in upcoming years. I will likely buy Leica cameras used at least one or two generations behind the latest model.

Don't care about camera finish either. I am not a collector but user of my cameras.

I am eyeing a future M12 out of interest in case image-stabilization will be included which is currently denied by Leica that it is possible with the size of M bodies, but I doubt that this will remain true in the future. The M11-P is simply another more expensive M11 side product with some little additional gimmicks to enjoy. Still will do the same photos.

Oct 10, 2023 at 07:59 AM

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p.1 #20 · p.1 #20 · The Leica M11-P is expected to be released by November 2023

I bought a used M10 earlier in the year, I like the rangefinder experience but more battery life and USB charging would be enough for me to want to upgrade. Someone mentioned about having an M11S which would be fixed at 24mp, that would be very welcome but even more so at 36mp.

Oct 10, 2023 at 08:21 AM

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