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p.1 #1 · p.1 #1 · Canon 1D banding action?

Hi folks,

Does anyone still have a copy of “ 1D ISOR-BR pro v2.0” they could please share with me?

I have a Canon 1D (love old cameras) and it works beautifully, except for banding noise.

I found there was a page on Fred Miranda as recently as a year ago that talked about this Photoshop action that was designed specially to reduce this banding but the page is now 404 and I can’t find the action anywhere else.

Oct 07, 2023 at 03:42 PM

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p.1 #2 · p.1 #2 · Canon 1D banding action?

spiffariffic wrote:
Hi folks,

Does anyone still have a copy of “ 1D ISOR-BR pro v2.0” they could please share with me?

I have a Canon 1D (love old cameras) and it works beautifully, except for banding noise.

I found there was a page on Fred Miranda as recently as a year ago that talked about this Photoshop action that was designed specially to reduce this banding but the page is now 404 and I can’t find the action anywhere else.

I was able to find a copy of the pages in the wayback machine. Here's the most recent, which doesn't include a link to the software purchase. You'll have to manually select and copy the below links into your browser's URL bar because the FM site software chops them off so clicking wont direct you to the correct page.

https://web.archive.org/web/20080402015142/https://www.fredmiranda.com/Canon_1D/

Here's the oldest version of the page, which does have instructions on purchasing - it's hosted on FM so it appears to be Fred's creation. If you PM him he might be able to hook you up:

https://web.archive.org/web/20030425112054/https://www.fredmiranda.com/1D_ISORv2.0_upgrade/index.html

Oct 07, 2023 at 04:16 PM

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p.1 #3 · p.1 #3 · Canon 1D banding action?

Yeah, contact Fred. He sold a bunch of Photoshop actions and related things way back then. I had that camera (actually still have it) and recall it had banding problems but don't remember what I did to address it. Supposedly Canon had a hardware fix, but I don't remember if that was speculation or actually confirmed.

Oct 07, 2023 at 05:54 PM

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p.1 #4 · p.1 #4 · Canon 1D banding action?

Thanks, guys!

I'll contact Fred!

I just want to clarify that I wasn't asking for a copy of a product that had a price tag, since while I did find the first page on the Internet Archive, it didn't mention anything about selling it so I just didn't know.

Oct 07, 2023 at 11:58 PM

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p.1 #5 · p.1 #5 · Canon 1D banding action?

Have you tried running 1D files through modern noise reduction, such as Adobe’s new Denoise? Based on the sample images in the archived link, modern NR will likely generate better results.

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I tried it myself with a few 1D files that showed various degrees of banding. Unfortunately Adobe's Denoise doesn't fully recognize the banding as such and has varying degrees of success/failure at removing it. The stronger the banding, it appears Denoise recognizes it more as possible image detail and instead retains/enhances it.

Examples below - the first is an ISO 200 file with shadows pushed 100% and a crop of the upper right of the frame shot at 22mm with the EF 17-35/2.8L. It's the worst case I found quickly. The second example is ISO 800 but without dramatic exposure push. There's subtle banding in the dark area which Denoise fairly reasonably eliminates/masks, but not perfectly.

Would be interesting to see how Fred's old actions stack up against Adobe AI, haha!

Based on the old firmware files I have on file, the first image may have been on FW version 1.3, which my file dates to January 25, 2002. But the image was shot February 3, 2002 and I was traveling at that time and might not have risked a firmware update mid-trip. The second image would have probably been FW 1.3 though 1.4 I have on file is dated a week before that image, but again, I was traveling and not sure I would have risked an update the day before departure...

I tried a few more that should be on FW 1.4 and it's the same. There are instances where Adobe Denoise IMO interprets the banding as image detail, makes it more pronounced and therefore worse. It really seems to depend on image content. Regular luminance NR in Lightroom appears to be more effective with stronger banding examples, but destroys fine details elsewhere. It may be a matter of blending two versions of images to reveal standard NR in areas where banding is more noticeable.

Oct 08, 2023 at 09:32 AM

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p.1 #6 · p.1 #6 · Canon 1D banding action?

Banding was a big problem in the early 1D models. It had been fixed by Canon before I bought mine in 2000. Great camera.

Edited on Oct 11, 2023 at 04:53 PM · View previous versions

Oct 09, 2023 at 10:44 AM

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p.1 #7 · p.1 #7 · Canon 1D banding action?

RawTherapee has an excellent banding noise filter:

https://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/1581782

Oct 09, 2023 at 11:12 AM

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p.1 #8 · p.1 #8 · Canon 1D banding action?

I recently bought a 1D really cheap, mainly for the NC-E2 charger so I can run NP-E2 batteries in my EOS 1v.

Mine doesn’t have banding. It is because it is a later release, or is it because of the firmware version?

EOS 1D ser. 013442 Firmware 1.4.0

Oct 09, 2023 at 01:32 PM

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p.1 #9 · p.1 #9 · Canon 1D banding action?

Probably later release. My serial number is 001200 and was one of the first in Canada to get one back in late 2001 (not 2000 as suggested by Bob). I suspect there was a silent hardware fix but of course could never get an answer from Canon about this.

That's a neat hack for the 1V! Didn't know about that. Remind me, does it use the same battery grip as the 1 and 1N? Wonder if that would work with those, too?

Oct 09, 2023 at 07:11 PM

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p.1 #10 · p.1 #10 · Canon 1D banding action?

The NP-E2 and NP-E3 are really both the same battery with a different end plate. It is easy to swap the plates. They both use the same NC-E2 charger.

The EOS 3, 1, 1n, and 1v can all use the same grips. They are all interchangeable. The PB-E2 is the the grip that gives the EOS 1v 10fps, but only if used with the NP-E2 NiMH battery pack. 8 AA batteries only gives 6fps.

https://hosting.photobucket.com/images/y17/msowsun/1487CAFE-47EA-45E5-A0EB-682662CF655C.jpeg

https://hosting.photobucket.com/images/y17/msowsun/9D9EA8EE-F095-4064-8206-BCA275659BEC.jpeg

Oct 09, 2023 at 08:42 PM

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rscheffler wrote:
Have you tried running 1D files through modern noise reduction, such as Adobe’s new Denoise? Based on the sample images in the archived link, modern NR will likely generate better results.

I did try quite a few ways to get around it and didn't get any more luck than you, unfortunately.

Still hoping Fred will reply to me… the examples I saw & posts I saw about it seems like it'll really solve my problem. I'd rather trust a solution somebody already engineered than try to figure it out!

Oct 10, 2023 at 10:48 PM

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p.1 #12 · p.1 #12 · Canon 1D banding action?

Mike Sowsun wrote:
I recently bought a 1D really cheap, mainly for the NC-E2 charger so I can run NP-E2 batteries in my EOS 1v.

Mine doesn’t have banding. It is because it is a later release, or is it because of the firmware version?

EOS 1D ser. 013442 Firmware 1.4.0

Well, Mike, if you decide you don't want the 1D itself because you've got the parts you need… let me know 😅 I, of course, already have my own charger so that is no problem for me.

Oct 10, 2023 at 10:50 PM

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p.1 #13 · p.1 #13 · Canon 1D banding action?

spiffariffic wrote:
Well, Mike, if you decide you don't want the 1D itself because you've got the parts you need… let me know 😅 I, of course, already have my own charger so that is no problem for me.

I plan to keep the 1D as it has a special spot in my collection of EOS film and digital cameras.

https://hosting.photobucket.com/images/y17/msowsun/FD0F79EA-8A79-4DFA-94E2-22CD55816064.jpeg

Oct 12, 2023 at 04:25 PM

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p.1 #14 · p.1 #14 · Canon 1D banding action?

Not sure if you ever go to the service department at Canon's HQ in Brampton - you might be able to donate something to their display of older gear.

Neat, you have an EOS RT. No EOS-1N RS? I used to borrow that one from CPS from time to time and liked it a lot.

Oct 12, 2023 at 09:11 PM

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p.1 #15 · p.1 #15 · Canon 1D banding action?

rscheffler wrote:
Not sure if you ever go to the service department at Canon's HQ in Brampton - you might be able to donate something to their display of older gear.

Neat, you have an EOS RT. No EOS-1N RS? I used to borrow that one from CPS from time to time and liked it a lot.

You have a good eye in spotting that EOS RT in that photo. I do have a few duplicates in my collection, so I might be willing to let one or two go.

Here is a complete list of all my cameras so far……

Kodak Retina IIIc (type 021 Ausf I) 266555 1954-1955

EOS 650 1405603 FB0612 1987
EOS 650 1406521 FB0612 1987
EOS 620 2021654 FC0519 1988
EOS 630 2191096 FD0100 1989
EOS 630 2225008 FD0303 1989
EOS 630 2241166 FD0304 1989
EOS 630 2339853 FD0707 1989
EOS 750 1473265 FD0611 1989
EOS RT 2411570 FE0303 1990
EOS 630 2609038 FE0513 1990
EOS 10QD 1087061 FE0509 1990
....... EF-M 3420439 (Taiwan) 1991
EOS Rebel 2833340 (Taiwan) 1991
EOS 1 172167 OG0910 1992
EOS 1000FN 4410184 (Taiwan) 1992
EOS Rebel SII 5908144 (Taiwan) 1993
EOS IX 0603912 OL0603 1997
EOS A2 2102927 OM0930 1998
EOS 1n 272164 ON0619 1999
EOS Elan II 3558463 KN1102 1999
EOS 5 4002251 OO04434 2000
EOS 1V 125357 OO0703 2000
EOS 3 3011806 OR0320 2003
EOS 7NE (21)10001374 OT02701 2005
EOS T2 (21)23001328 IU111703A 2006

Canon EOS 1D 013442 Firmware 1.4.0 NP-E3 battery pack (x3)
Canon D30 122501828 Firmware 1.0.3
Canon 40D 1120506292 Firmware 1.1.1
Canon SL1 01217031120 Firmware 1.0.1
Canon 80D 048021006620 Firmware 1.0.2
Canon 5D Mk III 052123000263 Firmware 1.2.3

Oct 12, 2023 at 10:43 PM

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p.1 #16 · p.1 #16 · Canon 1D banding action?

Did you buy them back in the day, or adding them now?

Just pulled out my EOS-1 - date code is FD0701 and EOS-3 is from 1999. Not sure where my 1n is located... I really wanted to buy the 1V. I was fortunate to be able to borrow one for an extended time and thought it was the best SLR I'd ever used (only had experience with Canon at that point), but at the time I thought the price was pretty steep and I knew digital was coming. Ended up spending about 4x more for the 1D, plus computers and accessories. Could have bought a lot of film for that amount, but it was a turning point. I never shot film again after mid 2002.

Why so many 630s?

Oct 12, 2023 at 11:55 PM

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p.1 #17 · p.1 #17 · Canon 1D banding action?

My first 2 EOS camera were a 630 in 1989 and a Rebel for my wife in 1991. I hang onto my old cameras, but most of these were bought over the last 10 or 15 years. I started off just buying a few locally and on eBay because they were dirt cheap, and would come with a really nice lens. Some were given to me for free by relatives. After awhile I had so many, that I would buy some just to round out the collection. Film cameras have really shot up in price over the last few years , but I still like to shop around for a bargain.

Oct 13, 2023 at 01:58 AM

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p.1 #18 · p.1 #18 · Canon 1D banding action?

Really interested in this, like the older bodies but remember banding on 30D, for one. One 40D iso 3200 image shot more or less in the dark had banding, so just did a gaussian blur layer, I don't think it shows up in the detailed areas very much. If anyone has a better solution I'd be interested, they probably put this in the bodies you'd think, used to be pretty easy to find this type of software I believe

Oct 13, 2023 at 12:17 PM

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p.1 #19 · p.1 #19 · Canon 1D banding action?

Based on the old 1D files I posted earlier, while Adobe's new Denoise didn't remove the banding, applying very strong normal Lightroom noise reduction did seem to generally work. But at the cost of lost finer details. A solution could be to export two versions - one for maximum NR and another for good detail sharpness, then blend the two, revealing stronger NR in areas where details are less important.

Or try the other software suggested earlier, such as RawTherapee. (I don't have experience with it, so can't comment.)

Oct 13, 2023 at 12:36 PM

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rscheffler wrote:
Based on the old 1D files I posted earlier, while Adobe's new Denoise didn't remove the banding, applying very strong normal Lightroom noise reduction did seem to generally work. But at the cost of lost finer details. A solution could be to export two versions - one for maximum NR and another for good detail sharpness, then blend the two, revealing stronger NR in areas where details are less important.

Or try the other software suggested earlier, such as RawTherapee. (I don't have experience with it, so can't comment.)

Yeah maybe I should try RawTherapee again, open source software has been about 1/2 stop less exposure though. I guess I could just overexpose.

Cool contrast adjustments in RawTherapee though last time I tried it. You could adjust contrast based on the fineness of detail or something like that. Excellent software imo

Oct 13, 2023 at 01:22 PM


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