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Archive 2023 · Canon R7 vs Canon 90d

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p.1 #1 · p.1 #1 · Canon R7 vs Canon 90d

Hey guys I have a question for you, is the Canon R7 just a mirrorless 90D? They share the same sensor correct? both have AA filters, so I'm guessing the image quality is the same?

I'm looking for some feedback, please.

Michael

Oct 06, 2023 at 06:56 PM

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p.1 #2 · p.1 #2 · Canon R7 vs Canon 90d

I shoot a 90D. I Only used an R7 in Best Buy for about 20 minutes. I have seen reviews that said the R7 sensor is BASICALLY the same, but it has improved micro-lenses, better electronics, and a new Image Processor. TDP gives a slight edge to the R7 in sharpness, detail, and noise. Close, certainly, but not the same. Modern cameras are so good that I can hardly believe it matters... much.

Oct 06, 2023 at 07:10 PM

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p.1 #3 · p.1 #3 · Canon R7 vs Canon 90d

TomSchriefer wrote:
Modern cameras are so good that I can hardly believe it matters... much.

I couldn't agree more.

Do you want the features and lenses of the R system or the EF system? I have both and like both. The R7 can do things the 90D cannot. But these are feature differences. For me, the advantage goes to the R7 because of the Rf 100-400 which gives a very light weight amount of reach. The lens focuses close and can support the R7's focus stacking. In terms of image quality you'd be very hard pressed to show a difference. The 90D will go forever on a battery and probably has a bit better low light focusing. Its really down to the lenses you intend to use. Win win really.

Oct 06, 2023 at 07:35 PM

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p.1 #4 · p.1 #4 · Canon R7 vs Canon 90d

Ok thanks for that info. Reviews say its not the same sensor as 90d but it performs so close hard to say.

Oct 06, 2023 at 07:41 PM

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p.1 #5 · p.1 #5 · Canon R7 vs Canon 90d

You can play with them on dpr image comparison tool. Of course, if you used DPP or otherwise other than they used you might get different results. Move around to different parts of the image, it's probably better to use raw, can download the files

https://www.dpreview.com/reviews/image-comparison?attr18=daylight&attr13_0=canon_eosr7&attr13_1=canon_eos90d&attr13_2=canon_eos1300d&attr13_3=canon_eos100d&attr15_0=raw&attr15_1=raw&attr15_2=raw&attr15_3=raw&attr16_0=100&attr16_1=100&attr16_2=100&attr16_3=100&normalization=compare&widget=1&x=-0.4212416736332753&y=-1.0074511880551593

Oct 06, 2023 at 08:07 PM

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p.1 #6 · p.1 #6 · Canon R7 vs Canon 90d

They used to say 20D and Rebel XT had the same sensor but I doubt the iq was the same. So I'm skeptical of same sensor arguments, but I'd guess these 2 are very close. I like DSLR so I'd lean towards the 90D others probably prefer R

Oct 06, 2023 at 08:30 PM

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p.1 #7 · p.1 #7 · Canon R7 vs Canon 90d

90D does not have Silent Shutter.

Oct 06, 2023 at 08:58 PM

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p.1 #8 · p.1 #8 · Canon R7 vs Canon 90d

I owned the 90D for 2 years before buying the R7 at launch and, yeah, if you merely look at RAW files, image quality is basically the same. However, R7 JPEGs are cleaner and R7 4K video quality and features bury the 90D. As other have mentioned, R7 AF and tracking are head and shoulders above the 90D. And the inclusion of IBIS adds another level of stability to both stills and video. I really like the super smooth IBIS based leveling for video—almost gimbal like, albeit only a few degrees from level.

The 90D has many mirrorless features like silent shutter, focus bracketing and eye focus, but only in Live View mode. These features are similar to the same generation M6 MK II, not the R7. Also, those features don't work through the optical VF, so they may or may not be useful to you depending on how you roll.

Oct 06, 2023 at 09:12 PM

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Califmike33 wrote:
Ok thanks for that info. Reviews say its not the same sensor as 90d but it performs so close hard to say.

It’s not the exact same sensor, but likely from the same generation. Image quality is not the reason to choose one over the other. It would be massive differences in other capabilities. I used each for about a month. I enjoyed the 90D but found with that level of pixel density, AF was only consistent when the camera was used in live view as a pseudo-mirrorless camera. I was considering the 90D as a budget sports camera, but it massively underperformed relative to my expectations. In this respect, and also for the general use applications I had, the R7 was a much more capable, more versatile camera. If these two cameras were the only options I had, I’d choose the R7, hands down.

Oct 07, 2023 at 02:36 AM

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Imagemaster wrote:
90D does not have Silent Shutter.

Oh, Yes it DOES have silent shutter. But it is HUGELY crippled by Canon firmware. Silent shutter on the 90D is limited to one shot per shutter-button press, which makes it TOTALLY useless, to me anyway. Burst shutter is actually not even available in silent shutter mode. Silly. Short version: 90D does not have Silent Shutter.

Oct 07, 2023 at 07:46 AM

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p.1 #11 · p.1 #11 · Canon R7 vs Canon 90d

For stills, I think the AF on the R7 would be the biggest improvement. Sensor? Probably the same production line, but with some incremental improvements incorporated into the R7 (and perhaps the newest 90Ds as well).

This does bring up the question in my mind, especially as I just helped a Nikon shooting friend find a D500 to replace her very well used D7200 - Will Canon ever come out with another crop DSLR at the enthusiast level or higher, or is the 90D about the end of the road for that type of camera?

In my friend's case, the need to buy an adapter and the much shorter mirrorless battery life kept her with the DSLR for at least one more iteration. Plus, on the Nikon side, there is no semi-pro mirrorless crop body available right now. That will probably change eventually, but with 260,000 actuations on her D7200 shutter, she wanted to make a move sooner, rather than later.

Oct 07, 2023 at 08:21 AM

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p.1 #12 · p.1 #12 · Canon R7 vs Canon 90d

I thought Canon was done with DSLRs. Is there any hope of an upgrade to any of them? 90D, 5D4, 1DX3, 6D2 all seem like the end of the line to me.

Oct 07, 2023 at 08:48 AM

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p.1 #13 · p.1 #13 · Canon R7 vs Canon 90d

It is hard to say what Canon will do. They currently offer four different APS-C Rs but only three RF-S lenses. All of those were ported from the M system. Years ago Canon Rumors put out a list of soon to be discontinued EF lenses. Only a couple of those have been discontinued. I personally don't see much future for mirrored bodies, the future is in the algorithms that can be applied to sensor data while shooting, such as has been mentioned comparing 90D to R7 above. OTOH, the mirrored cameras are currently much simpler to configure and shoot as well as having longer battery life and less heat sensitivity. I suspect he Rebel series will exist for quite a while. The more pro DSLRs will depend on sales. It probably doesn't cost Canon much to keep making if people keep buying.

Gochu mentions video. This is an important consideration since it is much more convenient to implement on a mirrorless body. One of the features I really like is the instant video button on both my Rs. I primarily shoot stills but taking a video is only button press away.

Oct 07, 2023 at 10:19 AM

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p.1 #14 · p.1 #14 · Canon R7 vs Canon 90d

OK, if I was doing portraits at 1.2 all day long, I'd probably go mirrorless, but I'm usually more at f/8 and if you put a more sensitive point over the eye on head shots, you'll probably do OK if you don't mind cropping a bit. Quite a bit of contrast in the eye area, and af tends to grab contrast

I guess I'm used to DSLR af, shooting extra frames, and I thought the SL2 was fine. Probably a big reason 18-55's get a bad name is focus accuracy, LV even on SL2 has DPAF so I'd use that, although it wasn't bulletproof and I still needed to fire off more than one frame. 90D should be a step up.

5D4 made top 10 rented last year at lensrentals, and the prices on this stuff can be pretty high, although some have dropped. Pretty popular still

Oct 07, 2023 at 11:24 AM

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Jeff Nolten wrote:
It is hard to say what Canon will do. They currently offer four different APS-C Rs but only three RF-S lenses. All of those were ported from the M system. Years ago Canon Rumors put out a list of soon to be discontinued EF lenses. Only a couple of those have been discontinued. I personally don't see much future for mirrored bodies, the future is in the algorithms that can be applied to sensor data while shooting, such as has been mentioned comparing 90D to R7 above. OTOH, the mirrored cameras are currently much simpler to configure and shoot...Show more →

If you go to the Canon Japan website you’ll see only a limited number of EF lenses are still listed. Are the rest discontinued? Probably. Apparently the 200-400 listed there is now also gone… https://cweb.canon.jp/ef/lineup/

Mirrorless deficiencies such as battery life will be addressed as processors and sensors become more efficient. Just from the R6 to the R6II I see a massive improvement here where I can get similar if not more shots per charge at sports events compared to my now gone 1DXII. And it seems the processor is also more powerful than the R6’s, given the extra high speed capabilities of the Mark II.

I think canon is done with DSLRs at the enthusiast and high end levels. The 1DXIII might stick around a while for niche reasons like the EOS-1V film camera did, probably new old stock tucked away in a corner of the warehouse. Maybe at the entry level we’ll still see new DSLRs, but probably just cosmetically modified iterations of what currently exists, aimed at price sensitive markets. IOW don’t expect new DSLR technology developments.

Oct 07, 2023 at 11:59 AM

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p.1 #16 · p.1 #16 · Canon R7 vs Canon 90d

Yes, I suppose if you end DSLR development, and continue mirrorless, it will pass up DSLR. Although I have to question how much more efficient mirrorless can get

F-1 production continued 7 years after EOS came out.

Oct 07, 2023 at 12:48 PM

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p.1 #17 · p.1 #17 · Canon R7 vs Canon 90d

TomSchriefer wrote:
Oh, Yes it DOES have silent shutter. But it is HUGELY crippled by Canon firmware. Silent shutter on the 90D is limited to one shot per shutter-button press, which makes it TOTALLY useless, to me anyway. Burst shutter is actually not even available in silent shutter mode. Silly. Short version: 90D does not have Silent Shutter.

Well then, how about the 90D does not have Silent Shutter for all the times you would like to have it?

Oct 07, 2023 at 01:49 PM

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AmbientMike wrote:
They used to say 20D and Rebel XT had the same sensor but I doubt the iq was the same. So I'm skeptical of same sensor arguments, but I'd guess these 2 are very close. I like DSLR so I'd lean towards the 90D others probably prefer R

20D and XT were basically the same. I had 30D (which was basically 20D with sturdier shutter) and XT, and there was not much of a difference regarding sensor. The rest was different, XT had worse AF and couldn't make 1/8000, was plastic and didn't have pentaprism.

Oct 07, 2023 at 03:36 PM

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AmbientMike wrote:
Yes, I suppose if you end DSLR development, and continue mirrorless, it will pass up DSLR. Although I have to question how much more efficient mirrorless can get

F-1 production continued 7 years after EOS came out.

We're in different times. The general trend is to finish some product line quite soon and introduce a new/replacement product. But the greater overlap of FD with EOS was caused by the difficulties of using FD lenses on EOS, whereas now we have very easy conversion path via the adapter, which is basically just an extension tube.

Oct 07, 2023 at 03:44 PM

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p.1 #20 · p.1 #20 · Canon R7 vs Canon 90d

It's like we discussed in previous threads - it's not that DSLRs are bad and can't make good photos. It's simply that development is focused on mirrorless where the increasing reliance on software driven features negates the need for certain physical capabilities (like a mirror and optical pentaprism viewfinder). Of course the old tech still has certain arguable technical advantages, but when considering the entire package, mirrorless is now more attractive to a greater number of customers. And that's where development will be focused. Where will it go? Probably following some of the smartphone capabilities if the camera makers want to remain relevant. Sure, you could put the same processors and sensors in DSLRs, but the mirror mechanism and separate AF sensor requirement will always hold back performance in comparison.

I agree, EF->RF is a very, very smooth transition and allows the individual to transition as quickly or slowly as desired with minimal performance penalty. Canon certainly heard the concerns and remembered the discontent during the much less user friendly FD->EF transition.

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