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WSJ Article - Swapping Heads, Adding blue Clouds... Fauxtography

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Not upset. Just trying for some perspective. I'm one of those old boomers everyone loves to make fun of now. May you live in interesting times, indeed.

Oct 06, 2023 at 02:37 PM

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Don't mean to add fuel bit CRISPER is real and it happening now. That was science fiction 10 years ago. Pretty amazing and all because of yogurt.

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt9612680/

Oct 06, 2023 at 03:15 PM

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31 years from 1914-45, I guess my math off a bit earlier. Pretty major pandemic around the end of WW1, too.

Crispr is definitely a problem.

Oct 06, 2023 at 06:20 PM

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AmbientMike wrote:
... they probably have bots combing the Internet and grabbing images to feed the AI to teach it photography.

There is no 'probably'.

Oct 08, 2023 at 06:57 AM

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The smile itself is a lie… Don’t people all the time ask their subject to smile? If they weren’t already smiling of their own accord, then it’s all lies!!!!
(All I’m saying is photography has been full of lies for a long time 😎. Nothing new here.)

Oct 08, 2023 at 11:32 AM

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Photographic and video generation using AI has been popular in conspiracy cults for producing fake "evidence"—make their political adversaries do and say things never done—and for revenge porn after breakups. I saw some AI generated clips of Obama and Hillary performing satanic rituals and the voice, face and body generation was amazingly realistic. I'm sure millions believe it really happened...

Oct 08, 2023 at 12:02 PM

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Guess what folks? AI has been around since the days of the caveman. Back then it was called Artist's Interpretation. The caveman would render a lion or deer as best he could with a piece of charcoal or whatever natural dye/coloring he could get.
Later came paint and paper/canvas and artists could make their renderings look more realistic, but they were still distortions of Nature. As for truth, do you think famous European artists rendered ugly kings, queens, and dictators as they really looked? Not if they did not want their heads chopped off.
Then black & white photography. Great if you are color-blind.
Then black & white images hand-colored.
Now color prints and color images on computer monitors, with the colors all appearing different, depending on post-processing, monitors, and different people's perceptions of colors.
Time marches on and so everything evolves, including photography.
Nothing new. You can't always believe what you see, even if it is a 'photograph'.

Oct 08, 2023 at 05:49 PM

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It kind of bums me out that Photoshop is so fully embracing this AI-generative Fill kind of stuff. I wish that PS could be split for graphics and photography, and get rid of all the graphics-intensive crap that so few photographers have need for. I know, LR, but it is nowhere near as powerful as Photoshop for some things.

Oct 09, 2023 at 11:21 AM

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Jeff wrote:
... I know, LR, but it is nowhere near as powerful as Photoshop for some things.

Precisely the point. Photoshop is the oldest, most generalized image, not just photo, editing software. It is/was all things to all people, probably more photo oriented than Illustrator. Then Adobe released Lightroom which added photo organization to basically Adobe camera raw. That has grown over the years becoming more Photoshop like but without the layers that gives photoshop its strength. Now there are AI (I hate that term and would prefer machine learning instead) processing functions which have also been added to Lightroom to a lesser degree. This kind of processing capability is very powerful and can be used, abused, or not used at all depending on your needs, wants, philosophy.

I personally think it adds valuable capability. Old Photoshop, back in the day, could be used for nefarious purposes, but that is not Photoshop's fault. You can't regulate moral behavior.

Oct 09, 2023 at 08:21 PM

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“All photographs lie.”

Oct 09, 2023 at 10:26 PM

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Abbott Schindl wrote:
Sad to see you say this. I love Moraine Lake and it's a shame that it's apparently being treated as just another place for a selfie.

Well, there’s Joe McNally who says he’s never seen a landscape that couldn’t be made to look better by placing a person in front of it. Seems logical for a portrait photographer.

Oct 09, 2023 at 11:45 PM

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johnvanr wrote:
Well, there’s Joe McNally who says he’s never seen a landscape that couldn’t be made to look better by placing a person in front of it. Seems logical for a portrait photographer.

It's not a new phenomena; photo albums of regular people are full of family members and friends posing in different locations; the difference is perhaps that now with social media more people can see those images but they were always being made. Now, because of reduced costs and ubiquity of the smartphone, people who couldn't afford to take photos with film cameras (or didn't want to carry them around when traveling) can participate.

Personally I was always more interested in the locations and what was happening there and don't enjoy being in the photo myself.

Oct 10, 2023 at 04:35 AM

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ilkka_nissila wrote:
It's not a new phenomena;...

For sure,

"Kodak Self Timer, allowing the user to make "selfies" long before the term was adopted in our modern era. Although such things might have been regarded as narcissistic in the 1920s, as the instructions only suggest it might be used to insert oneself into a group.

https://licm.org.uk/livingImage/Kodak_Self_Timer-c1920s.html

Oct 10, 2023 at 07:29 AM

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I have not sent a file to PS since LrC 11. These days I only use PS to edit screen captures for forum conversations. I really like progress and direction LrC has taken.

By the way someone at Lightroom Queen said LrC 13 is out. Phased roll out so not all will get it right away. You can always log out and log in to see if it comes up.

First time I’ve never been all that excited about a fall version release. I’d just like or see some performance/prices improvements for Denoise AI and a Sharpen AI module to be added. It has Lens Blur but I’m not sure that’s the same thing.

Oct 10, 2023 at 08:58 AM

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I hope some software company is out stealing people's photos so that if my sky doesn't look good I can replace it.

And, while I'm at it, maybe I'll replace the subject. Fun times, making fake images with stolen photos. Actually going out shooting is optional

Now I demand to be able to copyright "my" work.

Oct 10, 2023 at 11:30 AM

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