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p.1 #1 · p.1 #1 · GFX - but where to start?


I've contemplated the GFX for a while...I had the 50r VERY briefly in a trade, but I never had proper glass to give the system a good whirl.

All said, I know I could get by with 24mps and probably a D610 for that matter! But I believe gear can inspire us, if it helps us pick up the camera. My Z series hasn't been inspiring; in fact -- not sure I can blame the camera -- but I've taken a months hiatus from shooting since I picked it up...I digress.

Right now the GFX is a pretty mature system. And there are many bodies. I see the 50Sii is almost the same price in some circles as the original GFX 100! This is confusing. It's almost the medium-to-large popcorn snag. If the 50s is around $1800, it's hard not to shell out $5-600 more for the 50Sii.

So I'm hoping for some advice what to grab for someone new to the system. Is it the 100S maybe? $2-3K is about the max I'd want to spend (+/- $300 on either end). What's funny is the 55mm is the focal length I've been craving (43mm-ish in 35mm terms). But that'll be very expensive for a while, unless I could adapt something else to get me close to that look.

This is another snag...I love 50mms with my Sonys and Nikons. The 63mm on Fuji is kinda lackluster from what I've read. So I'd either want to adapt -- also expensive -- or maybe grab the 80mm. Thanks for reading!



Oct 05, 2023 at 05:47 AM
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You're unlikely to find a 100S for less than $3500. I would go with a 50S for around $1750, and buy a cheap dump adapter to adapt whatever lenses you have on hand. That way you'll limit your investment to just the camera while evaluating whether it's a system you want to move in to.


Oct 05, 2023 at 07:35 AM
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p.1 #3 · p.1 #3 · GFX - but where to start?


The 63 is a very, very good lens. At least optically. And it can be found pretty cheap, so that's what I'm gonna recommend.
If you don't want or need IBIS, the 50S or 50R are nice cameras still.



Oct 05, 2023 at 08:35 AM
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p.1 #4 · p.1 #4 · GFX - but where to start?


Seems like the 110 would be screaming your name, given the type of portraits you do.


Oct 05, 2023 at 08:55 AM
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RoamingScott wrote:
Seems like the 110 would be screaming your name, given the type of portraits you do.


Thanks for the info -- not sure if you mean from my insta, but 95% of those are at 50mm-ish. The 100 is lovely, but also a bit long for me.

Maybe I should reconsider the 63.

Are there solid 3-rd party lenses yet?



Oct 05, 2023 at 09:13 AM
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snapsy wrote:
You're unlikely to find a 100S for less than $3500. I would go with a 50S for around $1750, and buy a cheap dump adapter to adapt whatever lenses you have on hand. That way you'll limit your investment to just the camera while evaluating whether it's a system you want to move in to.


Thanks...appreciate the advice..Yeah, i saw a few 100S at that, but maybe I'm confused.

I like to buy when the Mark 2-type models come out. So you don't get killed with the instant depreciation...certainly with an new tech.

I guess the 50s vs 50sii is a bit trickier because the difference is like $5-600 for an updated body and ibis. Same sensor, or so I read so CDAF.



Oct 05, 2023 at 09:36 AM
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p.1 #7 · p.1 #7 · GFX - but where to start?


I think it is a mistake to use new gear as an excuse for inspiration. It will be short-lived. You don’t say what you like photographing. Try joining a club, thinking of a project, or do some travels with your camera instead.


Oct 05, 2023 at 09:48 AM
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Forum GAS wrote:
I think it is a mistake to use new gear as an excuse for inspiration. It will be short-lived. You don’t say what you like photographing. Try joining a club, thinking of a project, or do some travels with your camera instead.


Agree.

Ask what inspires you about photography. I’m assuming that it is the photographs rather than the gear. The place to look for meaningful inspiration is photographs — seek out good work and challenge yourself to understand how it “works” and how you can apply what you learn to your own photographs.

While it is (remotely) possible that our OP might be an exception, often when I see this pattern — the person going to get THIS new camera thing “for inspiration” — it turns out that this isn’t a “Aha! If I just got a good camera I would finally bei” moment. Instead, it is frequently a long-standing pattern, and the person has been through this loop multiple times.

Symptoms: The previous new piece of gear was the thing that was going to “inspire…” but after a short period of time that didn’t happen. And the piece of gear before that also failed to produce this effect. And the one before that. Guess what is almost certain to happen with the latest gear aspiration?

Inevitably the person who looks to New Gear for photographic inspiration will find that… the gear doesn’t remain new for long and before they know it the same ennui sets in and the cycle repeats… and we’re off to the camera store looking for “inspiration” again. (If fact, an almost universal symptom of this malady is a person who owns the latest or nearly so of more than one brand and who has cycled through gear and brands quickly in the past.)

Think about the photographs that inspire you . It isn’t the gear they use that gets your attention. In fact, that is generally superfluous — many can make beautiful photography with whatever gear they use. It is the images they make that are inspiring.

The good news is that it is possible, less expensive, and more rewarding to put the same energy into photographic seeing that too many folks put into The Next Shiny Thing. Heck, one could even invest the cost of the system being contemplated here in a whole series of excellent workshops or even get one-on-one tutoring from any number of excellent photographers.

Climbing down from soapbox…

Dan



Oct 05, 2023 at 10:40 AM
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Can you please stop telling people what they are allowed to find inspiration in?
If there is any cycle that repeats, it's Dan thinking he is the only one who has the correct answers.



Oct 05, 2023 at 11:06 AM
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Makten wrote:
Can you please stop telling people what they are allowed to find inspiration in?
If there is any cycle that repeats, it's Dan thinking he is the only one who has the correct answers.


Can you please stop telling me what I should and should not post?
If there is any cycle that repeats, It’s Makten thinking that he is the only one who has the correct answers.



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p.1 #11 · p.1 #11 · GFX - but where to start?


If you want to be inspired, stretch for 100mpx; there are many who will disagree, but you won't know until you try.


Oct 05, 2023 at 12:42 PM
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p.1 #12 · p.1 #12 · GFX - but where to start?


In his book “The Camera” Adams discusses the importance of “…some understanding of the nature of various camera designs and their capabilities, in the hope that the photographer will consider these discussions in the context of his or her individual intentions and style.” This is a sentiment that is echoed today. A solid concept of visualization of the desired result is then followed by the photographer using the correct equipment for the job. However, one will notice that they will tend to see the world a little differently depending on the equipment they have at hand to capture the moment.

Source: https://improvephotography.com/53059/what-kind-of-camera-did-ansel-adams-use/



Oct 05, 2023 at 01:04 PM
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gdanmitchell wrote:
Can you please stop telling me what I should and should not post?
If there is any cycle that repeats, It’s Makten thinking that he is the only one who has the correct answers.


I appreciate what you're saying and I'm not butthurt by it, but, yes, I'm familiar with "it's not the gear" responses....but this forum is also heavily gear-focused, that said.

To me, your comment really is appropriate for an absolute beginner...and I see many people who don't know what aperture means and they're deciding Sony or Nikon, etc. For them, it's not the gear is true 100%. It's like the 50yo guy who agonizes over the camping gear for the trip he never takes.

But we're all more seasoned here, and the gear does matter. It's why I said a D610 would get the job done...but having used multiple systems, I definitely interface creatively in a different way with Sony v. Nikon, etc...



Oct 05, 2023 at 01:16 PM
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p.1 #14 · p.1 #14 · GFX - but where to start?


I bought gf35-70 for $350 or so. Just saying. It is not very bright lens, but it delivers. If I had to make a decision today, I would probably stretch some $ and go with gfx100s. But I have gfx50s2 and have no regrets, and have just a very slight desire to upgrade. gfx50s2 is often painfully slow and I missed some images....

Probably worth noting I want to upgrade to a better ~50mp camera, not gfx100.2

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Oct 05, 2023 at 01:29 PM
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p.1 #15 · p.1 #15 · GFX - but where to start?


I don’t know about you, but for me the heavier the kit, the less likely I’m inclined to pick it up and shoot with it. The Fuji line cameras are small, but the lenses aren’t. Hence, the money and resolution would be wasted on me.


Oct 05, 2023 at 01:30 PM
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p.1 #16 · p.1 #16 · GFX - but where to start?


Ask yourself what would a gfx allow to do for you than other system cannot, only then you can answer which camera and lens you need.


Oct 05, 2023 at 02:48 PM
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gdanmitchell wrote:
Can you please stop telling me what I should and should not post?
If there is any cycle that repeats, It’s Makten thinking that he is the only one who has the correct answers.


The problem is that you present opinions as if they were facts. Such as:

"The place to look for meaningful inspiration is photographs"

Is it? Then how come I find lots of meaningful inspiration in other things? Actually, I almost never look at other peoples photographs, because that doesn't interest me. Which means your statement is false.
You are making some valid points, but please understand that everyone don't have the same taste, or the same demands, or the same place to find inspiration, as you do.
There is no "wrong" or "right" way to do photography. Personally I find quite a bit of inspiration in the gear I use, but mostly in the things I photograph (that's why I photograph them).



Oct 05, 2023 at 03:16 PM
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There are some here who don't realize that photography (at least for us amateurs) should be fun. And yes, sometimes learning to use new gear can indeed be quite enjoyable. The GFX gear falls into this category, I believe. If your only concern is about the end product, and if the requirements for your end product aren't very demanding, and if you don't enjoy the photography process, then maybe it's not for you. But if you like learning new things, and if you put a lot of weight on the quality of your finished work (even if it doesn't technically matter to anyone other than yourself), then find a way to get yourself into the system and enjoy!


Oct 05, 2023 at 03:42 PM
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Makten wrote:
The problem is that you present opinions as if they were facts. Such as:

"The place to look for meaningful inspiration is photographs"

Is it? Then how come I find lots of meaningful inspiration in other things? Actually, I almost never look at other peoples photographs, because that doesn't interest me. Which means your statement is false.
You are making some valid points, but please understand that everyone don't have the same taste, or the same demands, or the same place to find inspiration, as you do.
There is no "wrong" or "right" way to do photography. Personally I find quite
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I’m stating my opinion. I don’t have to preface every clause with “in my opinion” to do this.

My point is a bit subtler than you want to make it. I did not say that no one should get new gear, nor did I say that having new gear is never a source of inspiration. I did not tell our OP that he is wrong to get a GFX. However, I did respond to a pattern that I’ve observed in photography enthusiasts over the decades.

I laid out a specific pattern — go back and read my post — and pointed my message towards people whose purchasing patterns seem to match. I suggested an alternate approach for finding inspiration — one that might be even more rewarding for someone who has tried the “gear for inspiration” approach a few times, but is still not finding true inspiration that way.

But congratulations. You are starting to edge just a little closer to actually engaging the points I made rather than going for the personal attacks.

Well, partly anyway.

Regarding “right and wrong ways to do photography,” I’m tempted to just type “dun,” but instead I’ll once again say that I have no illusions that there is one right way. I also understand fully that not everyone has the same taste. (Sigh.) But that does not mean that it is wrong to point out to others that there might be a more interesting and rewarding approach that they could consider.

If you disagree with someone’s post or another person’s opinion, as you do so often and in this case at FM, how about presenting your case for an alternative point of view instead of engaging in personal attacks right out of the gate, merely for the sin of having a point of view that doesn’t fit yours at the moment? (For example, see the OP’s respectful reply to my post.)

Dan

For others reading this, I think I _may_ recognize in our OP that this may not be the first unsuccessful attempt to find inspiration via new gear. I could be wrong, but if I’m right about this, my point is that he (and anyone) can look toward what I regard as the most “inspiring” potential of photography, that which comes from learning to appreciate and produce images that inspire.



Oct 05, 2023 at 03:42 PM
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p.1 #20 · p.1 #20 · GFX - but where to start?


You say you’re shooting Z right now. Do you have any F lenses? Some adapt nicely. Same goes for EF lenses.



Oct 05, 2023 at 04:08 PM
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