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p.1 #1 · p.1 #1 · Capture One and Sony A1/A9II/6700

I'm a long time LR user. I used C1 in the past and started playing around with the current version. In LR I have base settings I use for most of my Sony cameras, a little bit of contrast, dehaze, add a little sharpening with a mask, pull back the highlights/whites, bump the shadows up, etc.. Does anyone have baseline settings they recommend for the Sony cameras when processing with C1? I need to check out some of the tutorials but the culling feature on C1 looks like it has potential. It's also a lot faster at processing previews and exporting than LR.

Oct 01, 2023 at 06:08 PM

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p.1 #2 · p.1 #2 · Capture One and Sony A1/A9II/6700

It is a matter of preference. You might want to increase contrast for landscapes and decrease it for portraits, for instance. The good thing is that you can create and organize styles to apply to whole images of parts of your image and go from there.

I love Capture One for the flexibility and image quality, but as someone who is guiding a friend through the LR to C1 transition, I can tell it takes time to get your head around everything that C1 can do.

Oct 01, 2023 at 08:05 PM

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p.1 #3 · p.1 #3 · Capture One and Sony A1/A9II/6700

I edit in C1 after moving from Lightroom to it a few years back and like it much better. But it takes time to learn it and once you do its faster. I am also now playing with the new DXO Photolab V7 trial that has just come out.
I was shooting all Nikon with two Z6s and the Z50 for years now but now also have two Sony a6700s.
I have to edit them a lot different and can not use my same presets I used on my Nikon raw files on the Sony files they dont look anything like the same.

We have been shooting weddings with both cameras so I have been editing them both. I just got done editing both from a small beach weddings we did today.

The Sony a6700 raw files need less work done to them right off the bat VS the Nikon files that always need more work.
The Sony color is better but different.
They both can be edited very much the same way but the Sony with out needing any of my presets I use on the Nikon files.
This is using the Tamron 17-70 2.8 lens on the a6700.
The a6700 is replacing my Full Frame cameras with amazing blazing focus speed and tracking.

I will post some photos from today I am just rendering them out of C1 now.

Oct 01, 2023 at 10:06 PM

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p.1 #4 · p.1 #4 · Capture One and Sony A1/A9II/6700

Here is a few from the a6700 and Tamron 17-70 2,8 edited in Capture One from Sunday.

Oct 01, 2023 at 11:00 PM

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p.1 #5 · p.1 #5 · Capture One and Sony A1/A9II/6700

I am a long time CO1 user, mostly with Sony FF cameras, and like everything about it, save for two things:

1. CO1 out of the box has too strong clarity (a type of sharpening routine) which can make images jump in your face, especially images taken in bright sunlight. I routinely dial down both sliders in the clarity tool to around - 10 (depending on the image) to approach the much more fluent rendering of other raw converters such as Lightroom or DXO, and get rid of the overly crunchy look at default.

2. CO1 with Sony images at least, has (auto) white balance off on many images, in general leading to a yellowish color cast that is hard or impossible to get rid off, other than by adjusting the white balance, routinely I lower the temperature slider, and up the tint slider.
I use Lightroom to give me a proper idea of the white balance, somehow it usually gets it right.
There is no fixed correction setting though, it varies per image. Perhaps the dual illuminent calibration in camera raw ensures much better auto white balance interpretation?

Oct 02, 2023 at 06:26 AM

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p.1 #6 · p.1 #6 · Capture One and Sony A1/A9II/6700

If you crop >50%, then occasionally (generally non-blue stuff) you will see some black pixels in A1 files processed by CO. This is mostly visible on flowers, but I've actually noticed it first on sun reflecting off a railing...

Oct 02, 2023 at 06:54 AM

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p.1 #7 · p.1 #7 · Capture One and Sony A1/A9II/6700

You should try the DXO Photolab 7 trial as well it has some features you dont get in C1.

I have re-edited a few jobs now in DXO Photolab to see how it works VS Capture One.

Photolab now supports LUTs C1 no. I love using LUTs I might move to Photolab just for this feature.

In Photolab it can straighten out your horizon auto on import and that works very very good. I shoot on the beach all the Time and this saves a lot of time as in C1 I have to go into each photo and draw the line to fix it.

Photolab also can do a auto lens or image sharpening to your image and that is working very good thats all I need for the sharpening and it dose it for you. It also auto fixes lens distortions and the list of lens they have is much larger then C1. In fact C1 is missing many lens I use.

Photolab has fantastic noise reduction Deep prime that can auto clean up your images very good much better than anything in C1.

Photolab has clear image view but its no better than what you can do in C1.

C1 is faster to render out the edited images.

C1 has some editing tools like levels I use all the time and the three color wheels that on the outer edge you can turn to brighten the high, mids or shadows on top of the normal tools. You dont get this in Photolab. But Photolab has other tools that C1 dose not have like the local adjustments that can do a lot but in some ways takes more time but if you spend the time you can do more with them when needed.

C1 is a little bit faster at showing you the fill res sharp 100% zoom in image but not by much but I notice it.

Photolab for some crazy reason has no buttons on the interface to copy a photos setting and another to past it to another image you have to use a keyboard command or turn it into a new preset.
I use a program on my iPad they lets me make buttons so I have it all programed on my iPad so I can just press on any button I made to do most all the editing for both programs. But C1 has more keyboard short cuts that can be programed in.

The color changing tool in Photolab works much better than the one in C1. But I like the layout of the color tools better in C1just something to get use too.

C1 has export tokens that Photolab dose not have. The tokens let you add extra information like camera used, F stop and date shot and so on. C1 also has a overlay feature so you can overlay the token info on your image when exported. I use this as times to show all the shooting info camera used and lens used showing on a photo.

In the end one dose not edit the photos any better then the other but they both do it in different ways you need to learn to get the same results. They both have a Different color look editing on the same raw images but one is no better then the other just a little different.

Both let you save many export settings with text or watermark logo.

If C1 hits me up with another paid update I think I will just buy Photolab and use it from then on. I am sure I will get better at it as I use it a lot more. Right now I keep wanting to reach for the C1 tools I am use to using but Photolab can do all this just with different tools I need to get use to using.
The small speed slowdown for the 100% zoom image view in Photolab is off setted by the auto horizon fixing time I save and the auto image sharpening it has.

Oct 02, 2023 at 01:11 PM

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p.1 #8 · p.1 #8 · Capture One and Sony A1/A9II/6700

Would recommend anyone using Sony / C1 purchase the Cobalt ICC profiles. I have found them to be exceptionally accurate and very pleasing SooC. They also have a dedicated tungsten profile that allows for really accurate color under incandescent.

Oct 02, 2023 at 01:33 PM

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p.1 #9 · p.1 #9 · Capture One and Sony A1/A9II/6700

ChrisMak wrote:
I am a long time CO1 user, mostly with Sony FF cameras, and like everything about it, save for two things:

1. CO1 out of the box has too strong clarity (a type of sharpening routine) which can make images jump in your face, especially images taken in bright sunlight. I routinely dial down both sliders in the clarity tool to around - 10 (depending on the image) to approach the much more fluent rendering of other raw converters such as Lightroom or DXO, and get rid of the overly crunchy look at default.

2. CO1 with Sony images at least, has...Show more →

Issue #1: make the various adjustments you frequently do to Sony images and save them as default settings for your camera. The next time you import photos from your Sony cam, the adjustments will already be made to every photo. Sharpening, clarity, contrast, saturation, levels, curves, etc..

Issue #2, I do not use auto wb. Too many variables that can throw off wb and I frequently adjust wb to taste, not just accuracy. If I wanted wb accuracy, I would take a photo of a wb test card at the beginning of the shoot.

Not saying this is the only way, it is just what I do.

Oct 02, 2023 at 04:36 PM

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p.1 #10 · p.1 #10 · Capture One and Sony A1/A9II/6700

ronchau wrote:
Issue #1: make the various adjustments you frequently do to Sony images and save them as default settings for your camera. The next time you import photos from your Sony cam, the adjustments will already be made to every photo. Sharpening, clarity, contrast, saturation, levels, curves, etc..

Of course yes, CO1 is very easy to use when it comes to applying adjustments in batch as well as creating new defaults for your camera.

ronchau wrote

Issue #2, I do not use auto wb. Too many variables that can throw off wb and I frequently adjust wb to taste, not just accuracy. If I wanted wb accuracy, I would take a photo of a wb test card at the beginning of the shoot.

Not saying this is the only way, it is just what I do.

If a neutral accurate color rendering for various cameras, including handling of WB is not important for you, then CO1 is the right tool for you.

That does not mean that CO1 does not exactly set a high standard in this regard, and Adobe and DxO are much more reliable for shooters that do use auto WB and don't want to tinker with WB themselves on every image.
If your own preferred look and edit style are important then CO1 offers all the tools to get there. If you want to be able to trust auto WB and the default look, then CO1 is not your friend due to poor handling of auto WB. That is not because auto WB is inherently useless, as said, DxO and Adobe do a much better job getting reliable colors without the characteristic yellow CO1 color cast.

Oct 03, 2023 at 02:00 AM

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p.1 #11 · p.1 #11 · Capture One and Sony A1/A9II/6700

Indeed, coming from LR it seems that in C1 you get some kind of additional clarity with most of the cameras.

I don't think that you really need to dial down the clarity to compensate for that. Imho, it's a combination of a stronger default curve and a more heavy handed sharpening. The default curve can be changed (it's just below the ICC profile) and the sharpening can be modified as well of course.

Of course, even if you standardize the contrast / sharpening of the 2 pictures, the ICC profile of C1 will probably lead to a different color rendition compared to whatever DCP profile that you use in LR.

Oct 03, 2023 at 03:35 AM

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p.1 #12 · p.1 #12 · Capture One and Sony A1/A9II/6700

mattmackenzie4 wrote:
Would recommend anyone using Sony / C1 purchase the Cobalt ICC profiles. I have found them to be exceptionally accurate and very pleasing SooC. They also have a dedicated tungsten profile that allows for really accurate color under incandescent.

I had forgotten about those. Thanks for mentioning.

Oct 03, 2023 at 06:00 AM

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p.1 #13 · p.1 #13 · Capture One and Sony A1/A9II/6700

Ayoul wrote:
Indeed, coming from LR it seems that in C1 you get some kind of additional clarity with most of the cameras.

I don't think that you really need to dial down the clarity to compensate for that. Imho, it's a combination of a stronger default curve and a more heavy handed sharpening. The default curve can be changed (it's just below the ICC profile) and the sharpening can be modified as well of course.

Of course, even if you standardize the contrast / sharpening of the 2 pictures, the ICC profile of C1 will probably lead to a different color rendition compared...Show more →

It depends also on the lenses whether this aditional clarity as well as "crunchiness" is a good thing or a bad thing. I do have to dial it down when using my Zeiss Loxia 25 and 50 lenses, because with these lenses that have very high clarity/contrast, it is simply overdone. With a lens like the 35GM it is less objectionable because it has a smoother type of rendering.

Oct 03, 2023 at 06:24 AM

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p.1 #14 · p.1 #14 · Capture One and Sony A1/A9II/6700

Where does everyone like to set the sharpening at? The sharpness on C1 looks great but definitely stronger than LRs default setting.

Oct 06, 2023 at 06:59 AM

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p.1 #15 · p.1 #15 · Capture One and Sony A1/A9II/6700

Sharpening 190
Radius 1.3
Threshold 1
Halo 1

I tend to keep things low on sharpening and increase or decrease more on the subject at hand. Im still working on the 6700 base numbers and maybe awhile. Im in a moving to new house stage right now so too busy but on C1 its been with me for years both good and bad in ways but seems pretty stable lately for my use

Oct 06, 2023 at 07:37 AM

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p.1 #16 · p.1 #16 · Capture One and Sony A1/A9II/6700

After spending more time with and learning more of the DXO Photolab 7 I have started editing full jobs with it now over using Capture One.
Use deep prime if you are going to use one of the prime settings as it is a lot faster. At first I was using just Prime and the exporting of image was super slow as that is a older version the Deep prime works great and fast for exporting so no slow down now.

Also spending more time with it now I can get the same results as with C1maybe better. The load in raw images seem to look better to start with in DXO.
The zoom in preview is still a little slower to pop into 100% full focus maybe a second slower but the horizon auto feature more than makes up for that saving a little more time.
I love the auto lens sharpening and the auto lens corrections much better then C1.

I created a custom load in setting I am using now and it includes a custom LUT I made that lets me slide from a warm to cool portrait look super easy.

When I moved to Capture One at first from Lightroom it took me a good two weeks to get use to it and how to edit in it. So now with DXO PhotoLab it has taken time to get use to this way of editing.

I am using the tone curve the most with a mix of the selective tone and the LUT mix and a blend in of the Clear View Plus tool and smart lighting tool.
Coming up with ways to get the same results or better then with what I would do in C1.
Next I need to spend a lot of time learning the local adjust tools they have many of them.
I had to learn the retouch tool somewhat last night as it is used to remove items and that worked great to remove some people in the water in the background.

At this point I don't see a reason to ever pay for a C1 update. I will buy DXO PhotoLab may wait till Black Friday sale many say is the best price.

Oct 08, 2023 at 12:04 PM

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p.1 #17 · p.1 #17 · Capture One and Sony A1/A9II/6700

GMPhotography wrote:
Sharpening 190
Radius 1.3
Threshold 1
Halo 1
I tend to keep things low on sharpening and increase or decrease more on the subject at hand. Im still working on the 6700 base numbers and maybe awhile. Im in a moving to new house stage right now so too busy but on C1 its been with me for years both good and bad in ways but seems pretty stable lately for my use
That radius is OK for soft lenses, but too high on sharp ones. The effect of the value being too large is that instead of crisp edges you tend to get overshooting around the edges, which looks (and is) unnatural. So e.g. my sharpest prime (135GM) works best with 0.7, whereas my 200-600G works better with around 1.0. When working across longer distances, through disturbed air or when stopped down below f5.6, a somewhat higher value is better (e.g. up to 1.4 for the zoom).

The reason for this variability is that the radius should approximate the size of the circle of confusion the optic (including the air) has. Of course none of this really matters all that much unless you crop or otherwise enlarge the image.

Oct 08, 2023 at 01:35 PM

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p.1 #18 · p.1 #18 · Capture One and Sony A1/A9II/6700

I’ve used Capture One as my primary photo editor for about 15 years. Since my new A7CR is not supported by my version of Capture One and I won’t get on the subscription model with C1, I downloaded and started using DXO Photolab 7 yesterday. When I saw DXO had a Black Friday discount, I purchased it.

I’ll be brief. I was surprised at how relatively easy it is to use Photolab and it seems like I’m able to convert, edit files and get results at least as good if not better than C1 more quickly. Quite surprising considering how long I’ve been a C1 user.

I highly recommend downloading and trying the Photolab 7. As I mentioned, there is a Black Friday discount available.

Nov 24, 2023 at 11:14 PM

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p.1 #19 · p.1 #19 · Capture One and Sony A1/A9II/6700

Jeff Kott wrote:
I’ve used Capture One as my primary photo editor for about 15 years. Since my new A7CR is not supported by my version of Capture One and I won’t get on the subscription model with C1, I downloaded and started using DXO Photolab 7 yesterday. When I saw DXO had a Black Friday discount, I purchased it.

I have a feeling that Capture One is trying to squeeze every last eur/usd from its excisting users without really trying to grow its business. C1 is very nice photo editor but the updates come slowly and C1 it is also expensive while still lacking some features Adobe Lr/Ps package offers.

Bad customer experiece although the product is basically fine

Nov 27, 2023 at 01:33 AM


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