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Archive 2023 · Any interest in a really basic Leica M?

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p.3 #1 · p.3 #1 · Any interest in a really basic Leica M?

algrove wrote:
Why wait. I already have one.

Take your pick a Barnack 1C, an M3 or and M6 without battery. All can be monochrome. Actually that's all I shoot in them anyway so I can control the PP in a wet dark room at least for the capture end. The print end is another story.

Yes many of us do as film cameras.

The conversation is about a digital M.

Oct 01, 2023 at 01:07 PM

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p.3 #2 · p.3 #2 · Any interest in a really basic Leica M?

Desmolicious wrote:
Leica currently sells the M-A, which is a manual film M with no exposure meter.

So how about a stripped down Monochrom? No rear screen, no light meter. The only exposure control in the camera is the shutter speed dial and an ISO dial. With aperture control on the lens of course.

Just like shooting an M-A, M3, M4 etc...

Got it. Only if it sold for $2.295k less than the current M11M.

Oct 01, 2023 at 01:11 PM

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p.3 #3 · p.3 #3 · Any interest in a really basic Leica M?

Yah know how whenever Porsche releases a stripped down, lightened 911? And miraculously with less content the car somehow is more expensive?
I have a feeling this Leica would be the same.

Oct 01, 2023 at 01:15 PM

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p.3 #4 · p.3 #4 · Any interest in a really basic Leica M?

LBJ2 wrote:
Nice close-up work!

Thanks....

Oct 01, 2023 at 01:34 PM

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p.3 #5 · p.3 #5 · Any interest in a really basic Leica M?

Desmolicious wrote:
Yah know how whenever Porsche releases a stripped down, lightened 911? And miraculously with less content the car somehow is more expensive?
I have a feeling this Leica would be the same.

At least when I ordered my RUF it was not more for the aluminum light weight track version back then.

Oct 01, 2023 at 05:32 PM

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p.3 #6 · p.3 #6 · Any interest in a really basic Leica M?

algrove wrote:
At least when I ordered my RUF it was not more for the aluminum light weight track version back then.

CTR?

Oct 01, 2023 at 05:41 PM

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p.3 #7 · p.3 #7 · Any interest in a really basic Leica M?

Yea, I can just see it. The Leica GTA. I really wish Leica would figure out a Leica Boxster.

Oct 01, 2023 at 10:03 PM

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p.3 #8 · p.3 #8 · Any interest in a really basic Leica M?

ottokbre wrote:
Yea, I can just see it. The Leica GTA. I really wish Leica would figure out a Leica Boxster.

They did with the CL, but that was more of a 914-4.

Oct 02, 2023 at 09:23 AM

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p.3 #9 · p.3 #9 · Any interest in a really basic Leica M?

ottokbre wrote:
Yea, I can just see it. The Leica GTA. I really wish Leica would figure out a Leica Boxster.

Maybe that's just shooting a M240 in 2023. I mean, it's technically shooting a Leica, but I don't think anyone is impressed, which is how I feel when someone drives a Boxster. Then again, I haven't even owned a car in almost 8 years, so I might not be the right person to ask.

Oct 02, 2023 at 09:43 AM

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p.3 #10 · p.3 #10 · Any interest in a really basic Leica M?

They’ll never make that camera. It sounds crazy to have a digital camera that can’t meter a scene. It makes absolutely 0 sense.

The reason the M-A, M2, M3, M4 have no meter is because they have no electronics. There would be 0 reason to sell a digital Leica M (or any digital camera) that doesn’t tell you the exposure. That’s the craziest thing i ever heard.

And then a monochrome. That would be a niche in a niche in a niche. And then a lever? What would the lever do exactly if it’s not advancing film? It all sounds very gimmicky.

what they COULD do is make the optical viewfinder like the Fuji XPro.

https://venturephotography.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2019/12/IMG_6878.jpg

And this way you can turn on and off whatever you want. You can just leave the patch and the frame lines if you want and have nothing else show.

This guy put in the histogram and turned off the meter on the side going up and down like a needle on the old film cameras. Or you can turn them all off. You can choose.

What the Leica M needs is more choices not less. They can’t keep making more niche models to satisfy every weird request out there like a digit Leica M Monochrome without a meter and some sort of advance lever that doesn’t advance anything.

How many crazy requests there would be out there. How many niche models of the Leica M can they make?

Oct 02, 2023 at 12:16 PM

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p.3 #11 · p.3 #11 · Any interest in a really basic Leica M?

Desmolicious wrote:
The thread title is “basic” not “budget”.

Leica doesn’t do budget…

True. My quotations marks were for emphasis. I did not mean to be seen as quoting anything in the original or reply posts.

My target for a minimalist M camera remains a 35mm film MP. Even if Leica were to manufacture a minimalist, digital M7, it probably would not “wake up” instantly. An MP need not be awakened, before it goes to work.

Oct 02, 2023 at 01:49 PM

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p.3 #12 · p.3 #12 · Any interest in a really basic Leica M?

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True. My quotations marks were for emphasis. I did not mean to be seen as quoting anything in the original or reply posts.

My target for a minimalist M camera remains a 35mm film MP. Even if Leica were to manufacture a minimalist, digital M7, it probably would not “wake up” instantly. An MP need not be awakened, before it goes to work.

There is no wake up time w the M7 if you leave it "On". There is only battery drain if it is "On" and the shutter is cocked. And you tap the shutter button. If you leave it on "Off" then turn it on, there is a couple of seconds of delay.

Actually it is better to always leave it "On" as the on/off switch is very poorly designed and wears on the shutter release shaft if used a lot. It can make it glitchy where occasionally the shutter will not fire on the first attempt. DAG warned me about that.
Of course, on the manual/mechanical speeds of 1/60 and 1/125 there also is no delay.

Oct 02, 2023 at 02:14 PM

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p.3 #13 · p.3 #13 · Any interest in a really basic Leica M?

JEEZE this guy Carlos just keeps getting banned and he shows up again and agiain with a new user name. Kinda like whack a mole for Fred.

Oct 02, 2023 at 02:26 PM

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p.3 #14 · p.3 #14 · Any interest in a really basic Leica M?

Not for me. Even on the film M's I appreciate the light meter in tricky situations. If need to be a purist, can always leave the battery out of the MP or M6.

For Digital, this makes even less sense to me. I don't understand why having features like a screen or meter interfere with anything. Most of these things can just be as easily ignored. Also, having the digital features extends the viability of the system, making both wider and longer lenses easier to shoot with (either using the evf or the rear lcd).

I understand wanting it to be as simple as possible, but I think removing some of those key features goes "too simple" where it actually becomes meaningfully stunted.

Oct 02, 2023 at 04:34 PM

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p.3 #15 · p.3 #15 · Any interest in a really basic Leica M?

cookedart wrote:
Not for me. Even on the film M's I appreciate the light meter in tricky situations. If need to be a purist, can always leave the battery out of the MP or M6.

For Digital, this makes even less sense to me. I don't understand why having features like a screen or meter interfere with anything. Most of these things can just be as easily ignored. Also, having the digital features extends the viability of the system, making both wider and longer lenses easier to shoot with (either using the evf or the rear lcd).

I understand wanting it to be...Show more →

For a simplified digital M that used a M11 style or an electronic shutter, I could live without the light meter reading, but would ask for a single LED that showed highlight clipping had or would occur.

Oct 02, 2023 at 05:04 PM

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p.3 #16 · p.3 #16 · Any interest in a really basic Leica M?

Leica could make a FF Fuji Xpro in the sense that instead of a corner RF path they did a submonitor that provided focus confirmation. They could also get rid of the off-curtain metering that way too. They would have to figure out frame parallax correction.... probably by still using the cam.

I ight be the only psycho that uses manual lenses with the OVF in an Xpro though.

Oct 02, 2023 at 05:42 PM

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cookedart wrote
I understand wanting it to be as simple as possible, but I think removing some of those key features goes "too simple" where it actually becomes meaningfully stunted.

It only becomes meaningfully stunted if you wanted those features.

Oct 02, 2023 at 06:32 PM

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p.3 #18 · p.3 #18 · Any interest in a really basic Leica M?

ottokbre wrote:
Leica could make a FF Fuji Xpro in the sense that instead of a corner RF path they did a submonitor that provided focus confirmation. They could also get rid of the off-curtain metering that way too. They would have to figure out frame parallax correction.... probably by still using the cam.

I might be the only psycho that uses manual lenses with the OVF in an Xpro though.

I tried that with my Xpro3 but found it too, er, gimmicky/inconvenient as in the XP3 the manual OVF focus mode was that little pop up mini EVF in the corner. If I was going to use the EVF, I would take advantage of the whole big EVF.
What the Xpro series does show is that you can accommodate an OVF/EVF hybrid in a very compact package. It really is a marvel of engineering.

Oct 02, 2023 at 06:35 PM

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p.3 #19 · p.3 #19 · Any interest in a really basic Leica M?

It may seem a bit strange but the main reason I bought a Leica M4-P some 30 years ago when I had a Nikon FM2 perfectly functional camera and set of lenses was because of the viewfinder. Not the rangefinder but the position of the viewfinder eyepiece at the extreme left of the body (seen from the back). This because I have a long nose and central viewfinders are a pain in the neck for me forcing a non natural position of my head and eye. It still is the main reason I keep my Leica 240 when my Z6 seems a much better camera from the sensor/electronics and usability point of view.
My interest in a stripped down version of a M camera would be directly linked to the viewfinder position. For the rest of it something like a Z6 with a thin sensor glass stack would be OK.

Oct 02, 2023 at 10:57 PM

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p.3 #20 · p.3 #20 · Any interest in a really basic Leica M?

Desmolicious wrote:
CTR?

yes

Oct 03, 2023 at 06:40 AM

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