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p.2 #1 · p.2 #1 · Fuji trash talk'n

envydd wrote:
The x100V successor is the only APSC camera I am looking forward to buying, to complement my GFX system. My T3 lies unused, along with the beautiful 35, 56 etc.

My X100V got stolen and I have not been able to replace it yet

Unwilling to pay the TikTok premium on the used market for now. My 50R + 50 has filled the gap, for now.

Did you get MSRP value or current market value for it?

Sep 27, 2023 at 09:26 AM

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p.2 #2 · p.2 #2 · Fuji trash talk'n

MPB prices; In my experience MPB do not rate Fuji XF lenses as worth dealing with; slow sellers. Noticed in France new XT-5 now being discounted. How that prompts Fuji to step up to XT-6 with focus stacking with 26mp sensor like XH-2 remains to be seen next year.

Sep 27, 2023 at 10:09 AM

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p.2 #3 · p.2 #3 · Fuji trash talk'n

Geoff D F wrote:
I'm hanging for an X-E5 with the 40mp sensor, IBIS and tilt screen, but I also want two control dials and the shutter/ISO control of the X-pro/X100V. If pushed I could live with the 26mp sensor.

I mean, that's basically the Sony A6700. But primes for APS-C in Sony-land are pretty awful unless you go third party. But even those aren't nearly Fuji quality.

Sep 27, 2023 at 10:26 AM

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p.2 #4 · p.2 #4 · Fuji trash talk'n

Richard-BB wrote:
MPB prices; In my experience MPB do not rate Fuji XF lenses as worth dealing with; slow sellers. Noticed in France new XT-5 now being discounted. How that prompts Fuji to step up to XT-6 with focus stacking with 26mp sensor like XH-2 remains to be seen next year.
That will never happen. Fuji already admitted they screwed up with not making the X-H and X-T lines distinct enough, after they screwed over the X-H1 by releasing the simply-superior X-T3 just half a year later. Many of their managers, executives and reps have said in many interviews that the X-T4 turned out the way it did because they weren't quite ready to make another X-H at that point, but that once the X-H2 launched, the X-H and X-T series would be more clearly-defined than before. They've been very clear in making the X-T5 a definite step below the X-H2 in technology, for example.

They're not going to muddy the waters yet again by introducing another X-T which competes with the X-H2s.

Sep 27, 2023 at 11:50 AM

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p.2 #5 · p.2 #5 · Fuji trash talk'n

Japanese companies haven't really been known for being very nimble. They tend to take the slow growth, long term strategy a bit too much. Anyway, I appreciate the refinement, stability, balanced value approach for some things. But the lack of innovation and responsiveness definitely gives a stale vibe. Of course that is from an outsider's limited perspective.

There are rumors are that Fuji is about to release a compact body next.

Sep 27, 2023 at 12:59 PM

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p.2 #6 · p.2 #6 · Fuji trash talk'n

Keh has nice X-E4's for $1200, might be a bit high but considering $6k+ cameras $1200 isn't bad. Even $3k cameras you could get multiple X-E4's and potentially have enough for a weekend getaway

Sep 27, 2023 at 01:27 PM

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p.2 #7 · p.2 #7 · Fuji trash talk'n

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That will never happen. Fuji already admitted they screwed up with not making the X-H and X-T lines distinct enough, after they screwed over the X-H1 by releasing the simply-superior X-T3 just half a year later. Many of their managers, executives and reps have said in many interviews that the X-T4 turned out the way it did because they weren't quite ready to make another X-H at that point, but that once the X-H2 launched, the X-H and X-T series would be more clearly-defined than before. They've been very clear in making the X-T5 a definite step below the X-H2...Show more →

I agree that it is going to be quite a while before we see a XT6 — perhaps a couple of years?

The differentiation between XT5 and XH2 (XH2s is more obvious) is fascinating. The XH2 does have some capabilities that aren't in the XT5 — access to very fast cards, deeper buffers for burst, more video features.

But the XT5 is smaller and retains the familiar (and mostly loved) retro interface with dedicated physical controls for almost everything.

If you need the things that the XH2 provides and are OK with the extra expense and larger size and are fine with the PASM interface, then it could be step up.

On the other hand, if you primarily a stills shooter (and not doing things like high-end sports photography) and prefer a smaller and lighter camera with full manual controls you. may, like me, actually think that the XT5 is the better choice.

YMMV.

Sep 27, 2023 at 06:59 PM

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p.2 #8 · p.2 #8 · Fuji trash talk'n

Fuji XT-5 to hold its middle ground until next generation stacking sensor crashes the party. Fuji prefers to put more eggs in XH basket appealing to heavy zoom users. Fuji XT-5 too compact so will stick with XT-3 for the time being. How about XT-5 Graphite like XT-2?
All’s well that ends well?

Sep 28, 2023 at 08:35 AM

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p.2 #9 · p.2 #9 · Fuji trash talk'n

AmbientMike wrote:
Keh has nice X-E4's for $1200, might be a bit high but considering $6k+ cameras $1200 isn't bad. Even $3k cameras you could get multiple X-E4's and potentially have enough for a weekend getaway

I can't see myself buying another Fuji camera without IBIS. Once you have used it there is no going back!

Sep 28, 2023 at 09:38 PM

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p.2 #10 · p.2 #10 · Fuji trash talk'n

RoamingScott wrote:
Did you get MSRP value or current market value for it?

I had bought it for MSRP then. Now I am being asked for 20-30% more. Hence I am sticking to my GFX gear and the iPhone.

Sep 28, 2023 at 09:55 PM

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p.2 #11 · p.2 #11 · Fuji trash talk'n

$1200 is almost 50% higher than the original list price for a new copy of the XE4, and it was available at sub-list prices.

Sep 28, 2023 at 10:12 PM

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p.2 #12 · p.2 #12 · Fuji trash talk'n

The rip-off prices on the X-E4 are entirely for the styling, too; like the X100V, it's a fashion accessory, something to be seen holding but not actually to take photos with.
The X-T30 II is more-or-less the same size, offers more functionality, and is still in stock brand new everywhere at or below MSRP. I'm not saying you have to all rush to buy an X-T30 and that it makes the X-E4 obsolete, but it sure makes it clear that the X-E4's inflated prices have nothing to do with how the camera functions.

Richard-BB wrote:
Fuji XT-5 to hold its middle ground until next generation stacking sensor crashes the party.
Don't get caught up in sensor tech hype. It doesn't really mean anything unless a manufacturer actually uses it to achieve something which couldn't be done before, and so far with both BSI and stacking, that is yet to be seen on any camera. Fuji threw a BSI sensor in the X-T3 when that was the hyped-up new tech which was allegedly going to revolutionise digital imaging, and all it achieved was one third of a stop lower base ISO, and worse noise and DR at all other ISOs.
So far, Canon, Sony, Nikon, Olympus, and Fuji have all put a stacked sensor in their flagship camera (or an alternate version of their flagship), and none of them offer anything substantial which is actually enabled exclusively by that sensor. Their processing power has more to do with their performance than their sensors. (Case in point: the Canon G7 X mkIII technically has a stacked sensor, and nothing is remarkable about it at all, because it's still got an underpowered processor and a decade-old ADC. Processors and ADCs matter much more than sensors!)
Also, given that Fuji are still buying their sensors from Sony, and Sony are yet to show even the slightest hint of a stacked sensor which will do anything remotely new, I think it's fair to say it'll be at least a whole new body generation before any XF camera has any kind of sensor which is a significant improvement on what's around now. Maybe Panasonic and Fuji will finish that ''organic'' sensor they've been crowing about before Sony pulls off anything substantial...

Richard-BB wrote:
Fuji XT-5 too compact so will stick with XT-3 for the time being. How about XT-5 Graphite like XT-2?
The X-T5 and X-T3 are the same size—the 3 is 1.8mm taller but the 5 is 2mm thicker in the body and 4mm thicker on the grip—so if you're good with the X-T3's size, you'd be fine with the X-T5's size. And 'graphite' was just a paint job; that paint actually isn't produced anymore, so they switched to offering the standard silver they use on other models. If you want silver, it's there.

Sep 29, 2023 at 02:22 AM

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p.2 #13 · p.2 #13 · Fuji trash talk'n

The fuji rangefinder style cameras are really a gimmick. After trying their XPros and XT’s the truth is their best camera is in fact the XT, which at the time of posting this is the XT5. Biggest mistake I ever made was sell my XT2 for the XPro3. The gimmicks eventually just got in the way and my XT2 was much more useful in every day shooting.

If the XT5 is too big get the XT30 (II or whatever it is now). Forget the fashion of the rangefinder looking stuff.

If you want a rangefinder do what I did. Get rid of Fuji and get a REAL rangefinder not an automatic mirrorless camera that looks like one. You’ll learn a lot more about taking pictures and MAKING pictures.

Sep 29, 2023 at 02:50 AM

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mahimihi wrote:
The fuji rangefinder style cameras are really a gimmick. After trying their XPros and XT’s the truth is their best camera is in fact the XT, which at the time of posting this is the XT5. Biggest mistake I ever made was sell my XT2 for the XPro3. The gimmicks eventually just got in the way and my XT2 was much more useful in every day shooting.

If the XT5 is too big get the XT30 (II or whatever it is now). Forget the fashion of the rangefinder looking stuff.

If you want a rangefinder do what I did. Get...Show more →
But the Xpro2 is the best Optical Brightline Finder camera.
Rangefinder focussing is a thing of the past, too many opportunities for innacurscy, especially with the exotic wide aperture lenses now fashionable.
I still have my M3, and a III, great curiosities from history.

Gerry

Sep 29, 2023 at 04:08 AM

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p.2 #15 · p.2 #15 · Fuji trash talk'n

RF style cameras are a gimmick? Guess not everyone is left eye dominant here.

I’ve had several digital Ms and two XPro3, the XE2 and XE4 for a hot minute. It’s not a gimmick to want framelines or not have your nose smashed against your right thumb.

My last X body was an XT2 and I agree it’s wonderful and prefer having an ISO dial and a huge EVF. But the RF style body is way more comfortable for me.

Sep 29, 2023 at 05:29 AM

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gyoung143 wrote:
Rangefinder focussing is a thing of the past, too many opportunities for innacurscy, especially with the exotic wide aperture lenses now fashionable.

I'm with you on this, at least for street photography and similar. (I still prefer to manually focus for most tripod-based work, such as landscape photography.)

It isn't' that I cannot shoot that way — hyperlocal distance focus with smaller aperture, or quick manual focus with or without viewfinder aids. When I started photograph (that long ago) pretty much all cameras were manual-fcus-only, and the first cameras I learned. on required us to estimate distances and manually dial in the estimate with a focus ring.

We made it work. We had no choice.

But today I fail to see the photographic advantage of relying on manual focus for things like street photography when AF is so good and the success rate with it is higher — especially if you are adept and moving the focus point and so forth.

If you are right eye dominant (I am) then the Fujifilm rangefinder style cameras viewfinder position is quite nice. But we all adapted to the center-position viewfinder of SLR cameras decades ago.

As to the frame lines issue, that's a real mixed bag. It is true that there could be advantages to being able to see outside the frame lines in some cases, but in my experience they are a bit overblown. On the other hand, getting less (sometimes far less) of the viewfinder image devoted to the actual captured area of the frame has some real disadvantages.

Dan

Sep 29, 2023 at 09:08 AM

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p.2 #17 · p.2 #17 · Fuji trash talk'n

gdanmitchell wrote:
I'm with you on this, at least for street photography and similar. (I still prefer to manually focus for most tripod-based work, such as landscape photography.)

It isn't' that I cannot shoot that way — hyperlocal distance focus with smaller aperture, or quick manual focus with or without viewfinder aids. When I started photograph (that long ago) pretty much all cameras were manual-fcus-only, and the first cameras I learned. on required us to estimate distances and manually dial in the estimate with a focus ring.

We made it work. We had no choice.

But today I fail to see the photographic advantage...Show more →

I love manual focus for the build and jewel like quality of the lenses. But from a practical standpoint, yeah AF is so good. It's why I am having such a hard time leaving Fuji too. All of those wonderful primes.

Frame line out-of-frame shooting for me has largely about seeing the other composition opportunities more than who is walking into frame, etc.

I would somewhat agree that the differences between OVF and EVF strengths is overstated. But I do find myself thinking/shooting differently with an EVF. The market, full frame in particular, is so dominated by SLR style mirrorless that it's nice to have cameras that handle differently. Consumer demand seems to agree.

Sep 29, 2023 at 10:17 AM

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ottokbre wrote:
I love manual focus for the build and jewel like quality of the lenses. But from a practical standpoint, yeah AF is so good. It's why I am having such a hard time leaving Fuji too. All of those wonderful primes.

Frame line out-of-frame shooting for me has largely about seeing the other composition opportunities more than who is walking into frame, etc.

I would somewhat agree that the differences between OVF and EVF strengths is overstated. But I do find myself thinking/shooting differently with an EVF. The market, full frame in particular, is so dominated by SLR style mirrorless...Show more →

I don't really see why you're leaving Fuji? The X-E3 is going for $700-750, I'm sure it's not appealing to pay that much if the X-E4 sold for a similar price new, but it's not a lot, really, for a digital camera, either.

24mp sensor hardly obsolete at this point. A6700 only 26mp.

Sep 29, 2023 at 10:35 AM

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p.2 #19 · p.2 #19 · Fuji trash talk'n

@gdanmitchell

I am a lot more accurate and faster now that I use a manual camera that I ever was with an auto focus camera. I take less photos and better photos too.

If you fail to see the difference I really don’t care. I’m just saying I prefer it. Use whatever works for you. But there’s a difference in the experience of shooting an automated camera and manually making a photo. It’s not the same at all.

Obviously it doesn’t matter to you. matters to me. There are so many cameras out there. Just get the one you like. Doesn’t have to be a Fuji.

Get an A6xxx then if you want the viewfinder on the left. Or an Olympus Pen. Not sure why the obsession with Fuji. There are other cameras with the viewfinder on the left side.

Yes. The XPro3 is a gimmick. People buy it Because they want a Leica looking camera but you can’t afford a Leica. So you get an XPro3 and think it’s the same
Thing.

AF is better anyway. Things are too fast. You can’t focus fast enough. 😀

Amateurs. With all the AF nobody posting here will ever take a better photo than the guys of the early 20th century we all admire who used rangefinders. Somehow they captured one of a kind moments that lasted seconds and photos that lasted for many generations and we still look at them today.

Who is going to look at any of your AF super accurate photos 100 years from now? Who looks at them now? Nobody. Nobody cares about your photos. No matter how sharp they are.

No. Rangefinders aren’t just a thing of the past. It’s the simplest way to make a photo. That’s all there is to it.

Inaccuracy? What do this mean inaccuracy? I shoot a real rangefinder and I’m very accurate with it. The only accuracy that matters is your intent and your composition.

It’s fine if you want to shoot a camera that does everything for you. Most people should.

You know what’s very accurate and fast too? Your phone. No need to worry about where the viewfinder is.

I can show you some iPhone photographers that take better pictures than anyone here with a Fuji.

Who cares if Fuji doesn’t sell camera XYZ? So go get some other camera. There are many others with a left side EVF and autofocus is ridiculous.

Cameras don’t take Pictures. People do. Since nobody here really cares about a real rangefinder, then just choose any of the hundreds of kinds of AF cameras. Don’t know why you’re all here crying about not finding a certain Fuji. It’s ridiculous.

Sep 29, 2023 at 10:46 AM

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p.2 #20 · p.2 #20 · Fuji trash talk'n

mahimihi wrote:
@gdanmitchell@

I am a lot more accurate and faster now that I use a manual camera that I ever was with an auto focus camera. I take less photos and better photos too.

If you fail to see the difference I really don’t care. I’m just saying I prefer it. Use whatever works for you. But there’s a difference in the experience of shooting an automated camera and manually making a photo. It’s not the same at all.

Obviously it doesn’t matter to you. matters to me. There are so many cameras out there. Just get the one you like....Show more →

If the XPro3 is a gimmick does that mean the Contax G is also a gimmick? (ok, but that rear screen'let certainly is)

For left-side EVF:

Sony A6XXX - lens lineup is almost all zooms. No 28mm equivalent to speak of. It all piggy backs on EF lenses. I really want the new A6700 to work for me but I don't see the lenses like I do with Fuji,

Olympus Pen - yeah, if you can live with M43 the lenses are all there. I am actually thinking of going Panasonic GX9 to compliment my M4. If I need a bigger sensor for something I just haul out the DSLR.

Sep 29, 2023 at 11:08 AM

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