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p.1 #1 · p.1 #1 · Attention EVF Snobs


I might be one too so...

At what point, if any, are their diminishing returns. For example, going from a 2360K to 9440K would be quite obvious to most users. What about going from 2360k to 3680k? Is that noticeable? What about from 5760k to 9440k?

I understand that there are other factors such as size, refresh rate, and magnification as well. How, if at all, do you account for those other parameters in gauging your overall satisfaction with an EVF.

I've been using the vintage OM glass on an XH2s and really find the EVF to be good for that. But it's noticeably harder to do so on my A7C. Probably not shocking.

Anyways, what's the sweet spot? What is good enough for most?



Sep 25, 2023 at 01:37 PM
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p.1 #2 · p.1 #2 · Attention EVF Snobs


Totally depends on the person and their preferences and sensitivities.

I really like the Z8/Z9 EVF for its brightness and smoothness, and even though it's only 3.68, it punches well above that as a total package. It's great for SHOOTING. That said, it's useless for reviewing images in the field for critical sharpness due to the low resolution paired with high res files.

There is push/pull with every spec attached to an EVF.



Sep 25, 2023 at 02:12 PM
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p.1 #3 · p.1 #3 · Attention EVF Snobs


EVF Snobs?


Oct 08, 2023 at 06:52 AM
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p.1 #4 · p.1 #4 · Attention EVF Snobs


I consider myself an EVF snob in the sense that I am *extremely* sensitive to things like stutters, repeated frames, frame rates, etc. I've spent much of my life also dealing with computer monitors and installing/calibrating various home theater displays so I have developed a hypersensitivity to certain things, for better or worse haha.

The resolution differences are harder to notice, but if you review images in the EVF at 100%, it's noticeable. During normal use, much less so. When you're actually shooting, brightness and smoothness matter much more - you aren't thinking to yourself "gee I wish that was 10% sharper" when you're focusing on tracking a bird in flight or whatever.

Another thing to keep in mind is that the optics in front of the EVF actually matter as well. A lower resolution EVF with good optics is nicer to use than an EVF that is just going for maximum resolution and nothing else. It's things like that which help lessen the blow of losing an OVF if you're used to DSLRs.

I personally don't review my images in-camera because even the best EVFs aren't as nice to look at as a good computer monitor. If you find yourself doing a lot of reviewing/culling in the field and need to judge critical sharpness, the more resolution the better. That being said, 3,000ish dots is plenty. I can easily tell which image is sharpest out of a set at that resolution, even if a higher resolution EVF would be more detailed, it isn't going to change your ability to check critical sharpness - at least it doesn't for me.

Right now, the only blackout-free viewfinders on the market are the Z8/Z9, but the others on similar stacked sensor cameras are good enough for most people not to care even if they repeat frames and occasionally stutter. The Z8/Z9 EVFs are also twice as bright as others, which in my opinion is very noticeable and something that is often overlooked, especially when dealing with high dynamic range scenes.

The really high resolution EVFs lower their resolution when combined with high refresh rates, so the extra resolution is of limited value unless reviewing images at 100% with your eye up against the EVF. In a case where all else is equal though, then the more resolution the better.

At the end of the day I think any modern EVF is going to feel "good enough" in terms of resolution. What I think you will find more noticeable is the brightness and if it's truly smooth or not. Smartphone screens are something many people can relate to as well - if you look at a 1080P screen, a 1440P screen and then a 4K screen, they are not easy to tell apart at first glance, because you are viewing it on such a small scale that the ppi is already so high in all cases. Same idea with EVFs, the point of diminishing return is fairly low in terms of resolution and other qualities tend to be more noticeable. All that being said it's still a subjective thing, so if you can, best to see for yourself as you might have different sensitivities than myself or the next person.



Oct 12, 2023 at 04:21 PM
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p.1 #5 · p.1 #5 · Attention EVF Snobs


I am definitely an EVF snob. Mainly due to eyesight and glasses making the LCD screen useless to me. I use the diopter adjusted viewfinder 100% of the time - including for menus.

My thoughts upon first using EVF's:

2.36M: "I think can see the dots sometimes. Maybe it's my imagination. I can use this instead of an OVF."

3.69M: "I can't see any dots. It's better than an OVF. Wow."

5.76M: "This is better than reality. I don't know how I ever took photos through OVF."



Oct 12, 2023 at 09:00 PM
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p.1 #6 · p.1 #6 · Attention EVF Snobs


haven't really had to take that into consideration. probable still won't


Oct 14, 2023 at 09:22 AM
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p.1 #7 · p.1 #7 · Attention EVF Snobs


It's a moving target -- IMO there will always be something that one feels could improve with an EVF not least because, unlike an OVF, a live-view EVF is tied in with so many other electronic "features" of a camera that could impact its performance in some way. Plenty of nits I can pick with the EVF of the A1, for example, despite its high resolution and high refresh rate that, on paper at least, should make it awesome.


Oct 15, 2023 at 03:13 PM
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p.1 #8 · p.1 #8 · Attention EVF Snobs


3.69M (720P) is pretty unusable for me. OK for clear and clean outlines on clean and simple background. Worse than being low res, they typically come loaded with very high contrast which you can reduce but can't completely undo. So busy dark areas become invisible, highlights get clipped. And I keep finding big obvious distractions I missed in these areas. Like a big bloody fan in a doorway. Yep. That bad. I never had this problem for over 10 years + with OVF. This is just poor. Very poor. I actually prefer the LCD other than it is quite small. A smartphone size would be much more usable.


Oct 18, 2023 at 10:57 AM
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p.1 #9 · p.1 #9 · Attention EVF Snobs


get a ninja if you feel you need that view.

using the EVF handheld at 0500 in the morning




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Oct 20, 2023 at 05:41 AM
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p.1 #10 · p.1 #10 · Attention EVF Snobs


Using EVF for what? What camera? Doing what with what camera.
Sony 9.44 is great for reviewing, great if you're not trying to AF. As soon as you start getting the camera to do stuff, who knows what resolution and what refresh rate you get.
Nikon Z9 with it's modest specs just keeps giving you that modest spec.
Canon R5 I'm less familiar with, but either lots of people have faulty eyes or it reduces refresh rate, resolution, or both.

This is clearly a case of more to the story than the advertised spec.




Oct 22, 2023 at 04:39 PM





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