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p.1 #1 · p.1 #1 · Latest Ps/Lr demanding more powerful processors?

I'm running latest versions of these programs (25.0 12.5) on an iMac Pro, 8 Core, 64Gb RAM, 2Tb Ssd drive, Radeon Pro 16Gb video card. It's 5 years old. I've noticed - starting with 24.0/12.0 - that photos similar to most of mine are taking longer, particularly with the 25.x/12.0 releases, longer to process. I won't say that it's intolerable but is noticeable and a bit irritating.

Have others noticed similar declines in processing speeds/times? I look at the new M2 Studios, and while the box itself is not horribly over priced, a monitor must also be purchased. That's a bit of cash and the budget is way slim.

So if anyone is running anything close to this rig, talk to me about your performance.

Thanks

Sep 25, 2023 at 09:14 AM

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p.1 #2 · p.1 #2 · Latest Ps/Lr demanding more powerful processors?

A lot of it is apparently the video or graphics card anymore hopefully those knowing more show up & comment on this

Sep 25, 2023 at 11:23 AM

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p.1 #3 · p.1 #3 · Latest Ps/Lr demanding more powerful processors?

OntheRez wrote:
I'm running latest versions of these programs (25.0 12.5) on an iMac Pro, 8 Core, 64Gb RAM, 2Tb Ssd drive, Radeon Pro 16Gb video card. It's 5 years old. I've noticed - starting with 24.0/12.0 - that photos similar to most of mine are taking longer, particularly with the 25.x/12.0 releases, longer to process. I won't say that it's intolerable but is noticeable and a bit irritating.

Have others noticed similar declines in processing speeds/times? I look at the new M2 Studios, and while the box itself is not horribly over priced, a monitor must also be purchased. That's a...Show more →

I don't use LR/PS but I did have an iMac Pro with 32GB Ram and found it getting slower and running out of memory with newer apps and larger files. I upgraded to a Studio with 128GB and no longer have any issues.

Sep 25, 2023 at 11:27 AM

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p.1 #4 · p.1 #4 · Latest Ps/Lr demanding more powerful processors?

OntheRez wrote:
I'm running latest versions of these programs (25.0 12.5) on an iMac Pro, 8 Core, 64Gb RAM, 2Tb Ssd drive, Radeon Pro 16Gb video card. It's 5 years old. I've noticed - starting with 24.0/12.0 - that photos similar to most of mine are taking longer, particularly with the 25.x/12.0 releases, longer to process. I won't say that it's intolerable but is noticeable and a bit irritating.

Have others noticed similar declines in processing speeds/times? I look at the new M2 Studios, and while the box itself is not horribly over priced, a monitor must also be purchased. That's a...Show more →

Make sure your internal hard drive where you o/s resides is not more than 80% full. A fulllish hd will reduce performance.

Sep 25, 2023 at 09:11 PM

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p.1 #5 · p.1 #5 · Latest Ps/Lr demanding more powerful processors?

Scott Stoness wrote:
Make sure your internal hard drive where you o/s resides is not more than 80% full. A fulllish hd will reduce performance.

Yes it says that here. I follow all of it closely. Unofficial rule of thumb is 100GB free space.

https://helpx.adobe.com/lightroom-classic/kb/optimize-performance-lightroom.html

Sep 25, 2023 at 09:50 PM

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p.1 #6 · p.1 #6 · Latest Ps/Lr demanding more powerful processors?

OntheRez wrote:
I'm running latest versions of these programs (25.0 12.5) on an iMac Pro, 8 Core, 64Gb RAM, 2Tb Ssd drive, Radeon Pro 16Gb video card. It's 5 years old. I've noticed - starting with 24.0/12.0 - that photos similar to most of mine are taking longer, particularly with the 25.x/12.0 releases, longer to process. I won't say that it's intolerable but is noticeable and a bit irritating.

Have others noticed similar declines in processing speeds/times? I look at the new M2 Studios, and while the box itself is not horribly over priced, a monitor must also be purchased. That's a...Show more →

This is mine with a 500GB SSD. Can you describe longer to process? Exporting files?

Sep 25, 2023 at 09:54 PM

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p.1 #7 · p.1 #7 · Latest Ps/Lr demanding more powerful processors?

https://community.adobe.com/t5/lightroom-classic-discussions/lightroom-12-5-macbook-pro-m1-max-64gb-ram-slow/td-p/14105694

Sep 25, 2023 at 10:12 PM

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p.1 #8 · p.1 #8 · Latest Ps/Lr demanding more powerful processors?

Nothing should have changed on your system going from 12.4 to 12.5. Either way this is how my performance page is set. 80GB os a little extreme but I set it there and I have not seen any adverse results.

Catalogue settings. Writing XMP files is supposed to slow things down. I've always hated them so I've always left it unchecked.

The last thing is what am FM member found by trial and error. When doing multiple edits that Optimizing LR article suggest to turn Lens Corrections off. Since LrC is a parametric developer it has to reprocess all the previous edits for any new one you make. Personally I found since the performance improvements over the few years I didn't need to do that anymore. I've done up to 75 edits including masking and note even a hiccup. Something to consider.

Sep 26, 2023 at 08:40 AM

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p.1 #9 · p.1 #9 · Latest Ps/Lr demanding more powerful processors?

There is a short answer here... Adobe has been re-architecting their software to improve performance by offloading tasks to the graphics processor. Further, they have been both adding features and re-coding features to run more on the graphics processor. This is all in service of improving performance. However, if your hardware, mostly your graphics processor, is not up to the task, then performance could actually suffer from their changes. On top of this, Adobe has been coding specifically for the new features in Nvidia graphics processors so if you really want the highest in performance, you need to buy the latest RTX Nvidia graphics processors... (this landscape will probably change if it hasn't already).

So.... if you want to stay current, you will need at some point to throw hardware at this. It just happens. Honestly, I am surprised it took Adobe this long.

So, you can tweak your machine via solid state drives, more RAM, etc... but these may or may not work... or have significant improvements. Again, you may have to just buy new hardware... if you don't, you will in the near future especially if you want to take advantages of coming AI tools... so says my crystal ball. I don't like making wholesale, expensive changes to hardware... but Adobe did make serious changes to thier architecture and we may be at an inflection point where doing so now makes sense.

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Sep 26, 2023 at 09:30 AM

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p.1 #10 · p.1 #10 · Latest Ps/Lr demanding more powerful processors?

Bruce n Philly wrote:
There is a short answer here... Adobe has been re-architecting their software to improve performance by offloading tasks to the graphics processor. Further, they have been both adding features and re-coding features to run more on the graphics processor. This is all in service of improving performance. However, if your hardware, mostly your graphics processor, is not up to the task, then performance could actually suffer from their changes. On top of this, Adobe has been coding specifically for the new features in Nvidia graphics processors so if you really want the highest in performance, you need to...Show more →

OP had a 16GB graphics card. I got 8 in 2019 to future proof for AI. 16 should be plenty.

Sep 26, 2023 at 09:45 AM

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p.1 #11 · p.1 #11 · Latest Ps/Lr demanding more powerful processors?

Thanks all,
Am studying your links. (Snort. Autocorrect made that 'kinks'). Am running on 64GB RAM and a 2GB SSD drive. It's about 60% full. The video card may be partly at fault. I specified it with the Radian Pro Vega 64 16GB. There were higher speced cards but I was already past budget. I didn't mention that it's running Ventura 13.5.1. In retrospect, I think things started with that upgrade.

Stopping a bit, I walked thru the preferences for both Ps and Lr. Increased cache size for both processor and graphics. Couple of small interface tweaks.

As for where the programs slow, Ps - in particular - seems to take forever to load, particularly when chosen by Lr 'external editor.' The actual execution of a process - change image size, apply CR changes, add layer - all hesitate for a moment and/or just seem to be slower to execute.

I guess I'm in the conundrum of upgrade to Studio/don't upgrade to Studio. Costs are expensive especially since a decent monitor appears to be in the $1k range. Anyway, off to study the links provided.

Sep 29, 2023 at 10:58 AM

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p.1 #12 · p.1 #12 · Latest Ps/Lr demanding more powerful processors?

I am not an Apple user, but I suspect Apple has the same gizmos as Windows. I can load a tool that shows (in a window) what the utilization of the graphics processing unit (GPU) and the CPU are in real time... I can watch it go up and down in percentage value as I work. This will give you a feel for what is going on when things are slow. You should also be able to see your memory utilization.

So... performance is a chain of events and if you want to speed things up, you need to identify the biggest offender. With those performance monitors up.... when things are hung, I will bet either you GPU or CPU is slammed at 100%. There is your offender. If neither the CPU or GPU are slammed and you are still hung (i.e., waiting), then it may be an input/output bottleneck... the hard drive.

Memory (RAM) is usually not the issue... again, your monitor will tell you how full it is. If it is, then the computer swaps data in and out of RAM to a temporary file on your SSD... thus memory problems are also disk drive problems. Lightroom appears to have been designed to be very stingy on memory reflecting a common issue many years ago... but that is my opinion.

I have multiple SSDs in my machine and put LR on the C:drive, with photos and catalog on another... this is a real performance boost.

If you find your GPU is slammed... I suspect this is the case given the architecture changes from Adobe of late... then change the setting in preferernces to not use your GPU... this will put processing back on your CPU.... this may improve things... at least it is worth a try. GPUs are now like second computers... they sit in tandem doing all kinds of processing now that may not be directly related to graphics at all... they are massively good at processing "math". They now crunch complex processes and software engineers are using them more and more... but of course you have to have one of the new faster ones.

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Sep 29, 2023 at 01:44 PM

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p.1 #13 · p.1 #13 · Latest Ps/Lr demanding more powerful processors?

Bruce n Philly wrote:
I am not an Apple user, but I suspect Apple has the same gizmos as Windows. I can load a tool that shows (in a window) what the utilization of the graphics processing unit (GPU) and the CPU are in real time... I can watch it go up and down in percentage value as I work. This will give you a feel for what is going on when things are slow. You should also be able to see your memory utilization.

So... performance is a chain of events and if you want to speed things up, you need to...Show more →

Hey Bruce in Philly. Only been there once many years ago. Was hitchhiking so mostly saw streets and highways. Didn't see the Bell of Independent Hall and all the other markers of independence.

First I checked in with sources given here. Yes, Adobe is getting fancier (and more demanding) with its processes. Makes sense seeing some of the new tricks they've come up with. I've tried most of the ideas suggested here though not pulling the processes off the video card. The card's technology is at least 5 years old so I'm sure it's way behind. I've upped cache size (after flushing) and memory allocated but haven't tried the cutting off the video card. I'm pretty sure I'm up against the tech wall. Software pushing hardware beyond design limits.

So the Studio boxes sit there tantalizing. I do some fairly complex work, but really, is it enough to justify the cash? Got to keep thinking on that. I appreciate the input you've all give me.

Sep 30, 2023 at 11:47 AM

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p.1 #14 · p.1 #14 · Latest Ps/Lr demanding more powerful processors?

OntheRez wrote:
Thanks all,
Am studying your links. (Snort. Autocorrect made that 'kinks'). Am running on 64GB RAM and a 2GB SSD drive. It's about 60% full. The video card may be partly at fault. I specified it with the Radian Pro Vega 64 16GB. There were higher speced cards but I was already past budget. I didn't mention that it's running Ventura 13.5.1. In retrospect, I think things started with that upgrade.

Stopping a bit, I walked thru the preferences for both Ps and Lr. Increased cache size for both processor and graphics. Couple of small interface tweaks.

As for where the programs slow,...Show more →

It takes time to load from LrC to PS as well. I never noticed because I stopped sending files to PS after LrC 11.

I’m in Sonoma now and not much better. Not any worse either. Still takes time to load. LrC should be out in the next few weeks. Perhaps some fixes.

Sep 30, 2023 at 01:56 PM


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