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Archive 2023 · Any 90d users still around ?

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p.1 #1 · p.1 #1 · Any 90d users still around ?

I just picked up a 90D and i know it's very finicky on lenses looking for the best, sharpest portrait lens for it? more than likely a 50mm will put me close to 80mm open to all suggestions.

Michael

Sep 24, 2023 at 06:55 PM

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p.1 #2 · p.1 #2 · Any 90d users still around ?

I liked the EF-S 17-55 2.8 IS USM on my 80D and 90D, albeit it's large and heavy it balances okay especially if you use a battery grip. Used ones are very reasonable nowadays. Not so fond of it on my much smaller R7. The EF 50 1.2L USM was nice but I missed not having IS as I'm not so steady of hand anymore.

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Sep 24, 2023 at 07:19 PM

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p.1 #3 · p.1 #3 · Any 90d users still around ?

I have heard good things about that lens, thanks.

Sep 24, 2023 at 07:27 PM

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p.1 #4 · p.1 #4 · Any 90d users still around ?

The last portraits I shot I used the 180 Tamron. Sharpest in the center at f/4 and nice bokeh imo. Haven't used the 90D.

I often use f/8 for portraits, and the 55-250 STM is one I like. Idk if it's the sharpest great aps lens though.

The various 70-200's should be fine. Pretty happy using even older 50/1.8 last time I had it out. 85/1.8, 100/2, & 135/2 worth looking at imo

Sep 24, 2023 at 08:45 PM

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p.1 #5 · p.1 #5 · Any 90d users still around ?

I'm still using a 90D... and a 6DII. For general shooting I use the 18-135mm IS USM. I sold all my primces recently becuase I never used them. Well that, and I find f/2.8 to be large enough aperture. My narrow aperture lenses are the Sigma 24-70mm f/2.8 OS HSM Art, and the Sigma 70-200mm f/2.8 OS HSM Sports. I have considered acquiring a Sigma 35mm Art, or Canon 35mm IS. The GAS is constant.

Sep 25, 2023 at 03:30 AM

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p.1 #6 · p.1 #6 · Any 90d users still around ?

I still have my 90D. I don't find it much harder on lenses than the 80D that preceded it, nor my current R7. Two lenses I haven't seen mentioned are the EF-S 35 and 60 f2.8 macros. Still use these on my R7. Also, the 100 L macro works very well. That covers three focal length perspectives for portraiture.

Sep 25, 2023 at 09:26 AM

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p.1 #7 · p.1 #7 · Any 90d users still around ?

My two lenses for the 90d are sigma 18-35 and the tokina 11-22

Sep 25, 2023 at 10:49 AM

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p.1 #8 · p.1 #8 · Any 90d users still around ?

I have a Tamron 18-400 F3.5-6.3 lens that works very well with my 90D when outdoors and away from my studio. The pair is a bit cumbersome when used in the studio, but I do most of my studio shooting in my studio using other lenses with the 90D. The 90D is only about 8 months old and I haven't yet gone mirrorless.

Charley

Sep 25, 2023 at 11:01 AM

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p.1 #9 · p.1 #9 · Any 90d users still around ?

With no information about what aperture or price you want, there is a lot of room for suggestions.

The most obvious recommendation to me would be just grab a used Canon 24 - 70 f/2.8 II. It's basically the staple of most wedding photographers, and used it's not super pricey. That gives you ~38 - 112mm focal range, which should cover anything portrait you'd want to do.

If that's not within your budget then picking a prime is a decent choice. I wouldn't consider the 18 - 135 even remotely sharp, and any of the budget primes would easily outperform it. Even using a 50 f/1.8 at like F4 should be as 'sharp' as you'd want, and it's probably not worth spending the extra funds if you plan on stopping down a lot. Any of the 85mm are good choices as far as I know, although I've never used the f1.8.

If you're not accustomed to shooting longer focal lengths, I would not suggest starting out with 100mm or more. In order to really make use of it, you'll want to have an idea of what to do with that much focal length. When the opportunity arises it would be worth checking out at that time, but a 50 or 85 prime is the simplest way to get started for the least cost.

Sep 25, 2023 at 01:39 PM

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p.1 #10 · p.1 #10 · Any 90d users still around ?

Jeff's suggestion of the EF-S 60 2.8 Macro USM is a good one. It's a sleeper but super sharp, fast AF and really compact. It's 1X but actually has internal focus, unlike many macro designs. I still use it on my R7.

Sep 25, 2023 at 02:05 PM

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p.1 #11 · p.1 #11 · Any 90d users still around ?

Lot of great suggestions I thought about that 24 to 70 Canon or the sigma 24 to 70 it does cover quite a range that's a pretty good option.

That's 60 mm sleeper Canon lens seems interesting maybe I should rent some of these from a lens rental place and try them before I buy anything.

Does anybody have any objections against the Sigma 18 to 35 F 1.8 art lens I've owned that lens before the things insanely Sharp doesn't give you a huge range but it puts you in the what 27 to 52 53 mm, would still need a 50 mm lens to get me into the 80s for a portrait lens a lot of choices here got a narrow them down there's too many choices.

Sep 25, 2023 at 04:54 PM

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p.1 #12 · p.1 #12 · Any 90d users still around ?

I preferred 18-135 IS to the 50/1.8 by a lot, for portraits, even indoors. The STM is supposed to be better.

I was surprised at the size of the 18-35/1.8 but it's not as big as the lens I've been carrying lately either.

Sep 25, 2023 at 05:11 PM

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p.1 #13 · p.1 #13 · Any 90d users still around ?

I'm surprised by that AmbientMike, but it certainly could depend upon the conditions.

Using Bryan's tool confirms neither of the 18 - 135s can best the 50mm f1.8, but it absolutely matters what aperture you use.

https://www.the-digital-picture.com/Reviews/ISO-12233-Sample-Crops.aspx?Lens=809&Camera=963&Sample=0&FLI=3&API=2&LensComp=989&CameraComp=963&SampleComp=0&FLIComp=0&APIComp=3

Take his tool with a grain of salt because it's minimum focus distance and real world won't be as dramatic.

If you compared wide open to wide open, yes the zoom is significantly better, but it's also stopped down 3 stops. By around F2.8 the 50mm 1.8 is doing okay, and at F4 is quite good, better than the zoom. I linked it at one stop brighter, and there is a noticeable advantage to the prime.

If I were ranking 50mm, I think it would go something like this:

50mm f1.4 @ f2.8
24-70 II f2.8 @ 2.8
50mm f1.8 @ f4
18-135 @f5.6

The 50 f1.4 and the 24-70 II are quite close at F2.8 and F4, with the zoom slightly sharper in the center but the prime better across the frame. The 50mm 1.8 @f4 and the 50mm 1.4 @2.8 seem super close, and at f4 both lenses are better than the 50 f1.8.

The 18 - 135 @f5.6 is still noticeably less sharp than any of those combinations while also having a 1 - 2 stops deficit. It likely can be good enough and has several advantages over the 50 f1.8 like build quality and noise, but I'm not sure I would rank the overall image quality higher provided you stopped down primes to where they yield better results.

The big take away is that if you want F2.8, the 50 f1.4 and 24 - 70 II f2.8 will give you F2.8. If you only need F4 the 50 f1.8 should provide good results as well.

The 60 macro seems a bit worse than some of the others, but if it is being focus closer to the chart that might also explain differences. I certainly wouldn't judge it's performance on this test alone. The 17 - 55 @ 55mm f4 seems to be a decent choice as well. The 55 - 250 unfortunately the 55 end is the weaker side of that lens, so comparing it for 50s probably isn't the best choice.

That's my 2 cents, but with the link you can just compare until your head spins and not actually make a decision.

Sep 25, 2023 at 07:30 PM

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p.1 #14 · p.1 #14 · Any 90d users still around ?

Im thinking Sigma 50mm f 1.4 art............Sigma 18-35mm f 1.8 or Canon 24-70 II f2.8 as my first purchase, now i have to choose one. I think all are really good and sharp.

Sep 25, 2023 at 08:40 PM

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p.1 #15 · p.1 #15 · Any 90d users still around ?

bman212121 wrote:
I'm surprised by that AmbientMike, but it certainly could depend upon the conditions.

Using Bryan's tool confirms neither of the 18 - 135s can best the 50mm f1.8, but it absolutely matters what aperture you use.

https://www.the-digital-picture.com/Reviews/ISO-12233-Sample-Crops.aspx?Lens=809&Camera=963&Sample=0&FLI=3&API=2&LensComp=989&CameraComp=963&SampleComp=0&FLIComp=0&APIComp=3

Take his tool with a grain of salt because it's minimum focus distance and real world won't be as dramatic.

If you compared wide open to wide open, yes the zoom is significantly better, but it's also stopped down 3 stops. By around F2.8 the 50mm 1.8 is doing okay, and at F4 is quite good, better than the zoom. I linked it at one stop brighter,...Show more →

I've certainly gotten nice photos using the 50/1.8, especially using f/4+. I do like that lens.

But I preferred the 18-135 to the 50/1.8 at 1.8 indoors. The IS let me use 1/50 at 1600, and a bit higher f number, IS evened it out a lot. The 50 might be sharper but sharpness isn't necessarily big on portraits.

I like the 55-250, I'm skeptical about the 55 end being not as good, although it's fine if it's better at the long end, use it there a lot, most of the time, although not necessarily on portraits. Although 250mm isn't too long imo. 250mm helps get rid of a bg. Do you really have good luck using 24-70? I'd probably take my chances on 135/2, and have definitely considered 50 sigma art for portraits.

Sep 25, 2023 at 11:53 PM

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p.1 #16 · p.1 #16 · Any 90d users still around ?

AmbientMike wrote:
I've certainly gotten nice photos using the 50/1.8, especially using f/4+. I do like that lens.

But I preferred the 18-135 to the 50/1.8 at 1.8 indoors. The IS let me use 1/50 at 1600, and a bit higher f number, IS evened it out a lot. The 50 might be sharper but sharpness isn't necessarily big on portraits.

I like the 55-250, I'm skeptical about the 55 end being not as good, although it's fine if it's better at the long end, use it there a lot, most of the time, although not necessarily on portraits. Although 250mm isn't...Show more →

What you said makes a lot of sense for hand holding. Using the IS versus opening up the aperture to get faster shutter I can definitely see where that could give an advantage. If I'm shooting portraits indoors it's usually on a tripod with lights, so for me that's kind of a moot point. Yes the 24-70 is very good and to me it nullifies any reason for wanting to grab a prime. It is bright enough that it doesn't have issues focusing indoors especially if you are using AF-assist on the flash in really low light. No complaints at all with that lens.

The biggest take away is that without understanding what califmike33 wants to shoot, as there are different approaches. It sounds like your primary focus is hand held indoor portraits with uncontrolled backgrounds. When I think portraits a lot of mine are on a tripod with a specific background and lighting. Those two scenarios are quite far apart and have different priorities.

One of the big things with grabbing a 135mm lens is distance to subject. Another good approximation is the DoF calculator from points in focus. Using crop body + 135mm and selecting their approximation for a head and shoulder portrait estimates you need 14 feet between you and the subject. That's perfectly fine in a hall, church, outdoors, etc but inside a home you probably don't have 14 feet before you hit another wall. I'd imagine in Mike's scenario that's not a concern, but in my location it definitely is. So for califmike33 you need to determine where you might want to use the lens. That's what I suggested 50 or 85 to start, and if you find a need for more then I would consider that route. The point being is that everyone is correct for their use case, so you'll need some flexibility until you hone in on what you want to shoot.

Another handy tool to help gauge subject distance and background separation:
https://www.pointsinfocus.com/tools/depth-of-field-and-equivalent-lens-calculator/#{%22c%22:[{%22f%22:9,%22av%22:%222.8%22,%22fl%22:135,%22d%22:4267,%22cm%22:%220%22}],%22m%22:0}

Sep 26, 2023 at 10:22 AM

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p.1 #17 · p.1 #17 · Any 90d users still around ?

Thanks for the detailed reply I do plan on shooting stuff in studio with lights indoors with lights and without and some outdoor portrait stuff maybe even occasional landscape. So I think I'm probably going to grab the 50 F 1.8 Canon lens it's cheap sounds like it's a decent land I think I'll just get that to start off and then I may rent the 24 to 70 F 2.8 Canon rent it for a few days and try that one out that sounds like a really good lens.

Sep 26, 2023 at 11:44 AM

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p.1 #18 · p.1 #18 · Any 90d users still around ?

That's definitely a great starting point. I don't think anyone would argue you can get your $125 out of that little guy, even if it's not the the greatest built lens. (The 24-70 will spoil you and you probably won't want to go back to that 50, but it better for the price difference)

Sep 26, 2023 at 05:30 PM

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p.1 #19 · p.1 #19 · Any 90d users still around ?

Califmike33 wrote:
Im thinking Sigma 50mm f 1.4 art............Sigma 18-35mm f 1.8 or Canon 24-70 II f2.8 as my first purchase, now i have to choose one. I think all are really good and sharp.

That will work in live view, but if you want to use the opticial viewfinder you might run into classic AF inconsistency problems of Sigma lenses on Canon DSLRs.

Sep 27, 2023 at 02:09 AM

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p.1 #20 · p.1 #20 · Any 90d users still around ?

Califmike33 wrote:
I just picked up a 90D and i know it's very finicky on lenses looking for the best, sharpest portrait lens for it? more than likely a 50mm will put me close to 80mm open to all suggestions.

Michael
The 90D, R7 and M6II all share the same sensor.
If you're looking for lenses for shallow DOF portraits you simply got the wrong camera. All your options will be either soft or stopped down to at least f/2.8, and on crop that's not giving a very shallow DOF. The 60mm macro is known for pretty harsh bokeh.

The R7 is a mirrorless camera, so you can run Sigma EF glass without AF problems via the adapter. The M6II can do that as well, but on top of that you can also mount the EF-m 32mm f/1.4 and Sigma EF- 56mm f/1.4. When talking about sleeper portrait lenses the M system will remain the forever winner over EF-s and RF-s.

The RP + 85mm f/2.0 IS stm is another nice option. In my opinion it makes sense to go full frame right away.

I'm not saying you need a shallow DOF for portraits, but if that's what you're looking for...

The 90D is the body you would get if you're having an EF 100-400mm mkII and you don't want to get rid of the optical viewfinder.

Sep 27, 2023 at 02:21 AM

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