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p.2 #1 · p.2 #1 · New RF 70-200 Mk2 in 2024


I love the RF 70-200 f/4. It is about the same size as the 24-105 which makes me far more likely to put it in my bag instead of leave it home. I'll accept a few warts to get that small size and weight.


Sep 26, 2023 at 04:26 PM
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I was in Kruger last month for 11 days, and I ended up using my 70-200mm 2.8 about 75% of the time and my 400mm 2.8 about 25% of the time. A 70-200mm (2.8 or 4.0) is an excellent lens to compliment a prime telephoto lens.

melcat wrote:
The RF 70–200mm f/4 is the RF lens that strikes me as most uncompetitive with its Sony equivalent. The new Sony lens is also a 0.5× macro lens at all focal lengths and can take 1.4× and 2× converters; and by the way, it too is an extending design. I have been wondering whether Canon Rumors misheard and it is really the f/4 which is getting a Mk II.

Canon must have done their market research when deciding that the f/2.8 would be extending and not take converters. Nothing has changed there. But the Sony f/4 competitor is new.

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Sep 26, 2023 at 05:19 PM
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4 vs 2.8 really comes down to needs for light. Horse races start in sunshine, and end in long shadows (well, out here in California anyway) so 4 doesn't work for that situation. However, for landscapes and other non-moving objects, the lower shutter speeds make the 4 a viable option. I even experimented using the EF100-400mk2 and the RF100-500, but found their "end of day" performance unusable for the lower light situations. Attached image was shot at 6:16 PM, sunset was at 7pm.





Arabian Knight 2023 Pacific Classic winner

  Canon EOS R5    RF70-200mm F2.8 L IS USM lens    200mm    f/2.8    1/1250s    100 ISO    0.0 EV  




Sep 26, 2023 at 11:44 PM
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goalerjones wrote:
4 vs 2.8 really comes down to needs for light. Horse races start in sunshine, and end in long shadows (well, out here in California anyway) so 4 doesn't work for that situation. However, for landscapes and other non-moving objects, the lower shutter speeds make the 4 a viable option. I even experimented using the EF100-400mk2 and the RF100-500, but found their "end of day" performance unusable for the lower light situations. Attached image was shot at 6:16 PM, sunset was at 7pm.


Nice picture!

I'm not sure I follow your explanation as you posted a ISO 100 F2.8 1/1250 image, is this an example where F4 would not work? If yes then I don't get it, you could take the same picture at ISO 800 F8 1/1250 with no problem at all...

Low light for me starts when I need ISO 3200 or above:

1/1000 IS0 3200 2.8






1/1000 IS0 3200 2.8, current no 1 in the world






These are my best cases low light scenario, most non world tour level events I'm ISO 6400 or ISO 8000....



Sep 27, 2023 at 07:23 AM
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Thanks! You however are in a controlled light scenario. The outdoor track lighting creates harsh shadows and blown out highlights. My goal is to retain as much detail as possible, without losing all the background, while recovering as much shadow without noise. Thus the lower ISO and aperture.

action99 wrote:
Nice picture!

I'm not sure I follow your explanation as you posted a ISO 100 F2.8 1/1250 image, is this an example where F4 would not work? If yes then I don't get it, you could take the same picture at ISO 800 F8 1/1250 with no problem at all...

Low light for me starts when I need ISO 3200 or above:

1/1000 IS0 3200 2.8
https://photos.smugmug.com/Sports/CSI-Ascona-2023/i-Nctxccm/0/40441c2b/X3/6RON9850-X3.jpg

1/1000 IS0 3200 2.8, current no 1 in the world
https://photos.smugmug.com/Sports/CSI-Ascona-2023/i-WjZDVJ8/0/b8a2d9e5/X3/6RON9278-X3.jpg

These are my best cases low light scenario, most non world tour level events I'm ISO 6400 or ISO 8000....




Sep 27, 2023 at 10:23 AM
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I would love an internal zoom RF70-200F2.8. Tried the current one for a while and couldn't stand it. The long throw of the zoom ring makes the lens nearly useless for close in fast action where you have to zoom quickly for framing. It is impossible to zoom the current RF lens as quickly as the older EF zoom with internal focus or any the competitions IF versions. I understand for some that's not an issue for there shooting style. Being compact is nice but means nothing if you miss critical shots. I don't consider that design innovative at all. The original version of the EF100-400mm with the push pull zoom was the fastest most intuitive zoom ever. The ease of zooming without messing up your composition or loosing your subject was unrivaled. For now I've gone back to the EF70-200F2.8 mk2 version.

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Sep 27, 2023 at 10:49 AM
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This thread proves there's room for both, so we can all be happy!

I agree that the internal zoom lenses tend to have lighter zoom resistance and are faster to go end to end, which is nice for sports. My EF 70-200/4L IS v1 I could zoom with one finger, even with my right hand gripping the camera while holding my other camera with 200-400 with my left hand. Can't really do that with the RF f/4 version, but I do like how super small and light it is. And it's sharper throughout the zoom range and across the frame... For low light I just go to ISO 6400. Tradeoffs.



Sep 27, 2023 at 08:00 PM
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Now they've announced 2 new RF35 1.2 lenses


Sep 28, 2023 at 09:05 PM
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goalerjones wrote:
Now they've announced 2 new RF35 1.2 lenses


Where?



Sep 28, 2023 at 09:21 PM
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goalerjones wrote:



I am curious how this pans out. I have found the accuracy of rumors to be dismal in the past 1 year or so. They generally get it right only couple weeks before official release, and at that point who cares about rumors.

We all know that 35mm L RF prime will come at some point, so if they keep posting rumors every few months, at some point they will be correct.



Sep 29, 2023 at 02:48 AM
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Best not promote "Ordinary" Filmmaker; we won't derail this thread with all the details, but suffice to say there are reasons why he just reads out other peoples' headlines from rumour sites and the industry won't touch him. Stick to reputable sources.

Also, note that "they" have not "announced" anything. TheCameraInsider simply (and grammatically incorrectly) claimed that "a sales rep that handles some distribution of Canon lenses to certain retailers in a specific country" told their writer 'Spazz' about a new lens and "alluded" to there being two L-series 35s.

Again... best stick to reputable sources.

In any case, having two premium RF 35s makes sense, whichever way you slice it:
One of the chief complaints about all apodisation lenses is there's never a standard or wide lens to match with them, so either you have to do your entire shoot with the one focal length, which is rarely practical or desirable, or you have to mix lenses with very different renderings and get inconsistent results. The biggest problem the RF 85mm f/1.2L DS has is that it's alone; making a slightly-wide DS lens to match with the existing slightly-tele DS lens makes perfect sense, and being able to apply the DS coating to any lens of any length was one of the selling points of the DS technology when Canon introduced it. 35 is the 'natural' pairing with 85, since of the common, easily-marketable focal lengths, it's as close as you can get to double the diagonal FOV.
Or the other option is there are both a 35mm f/1.2 and an f/1.4 coming. Maybe one has IS, the other doesn't; maybe one is optimised for image quality while the other is optimised for size and/or focus. All sorts of combinations. In any case, many systems have multiple fast 50mm or equivalent lenses, so why not have multiple fast 35s?

There are of course other explanations. One such explanation is that TheCameraInsider and CanonRumors are reporting on inaccurate interpretations or otherwise flimsy word of mouth again; especially since CR came under new ownership, a lot of Canon news has become based on "trust me, bro", and most other sites have followed suit. (In fact, despite the recent dip in quality, CR is still arguably the most reliable source of Canon news around, simply by virtue of the fact that everyone and everywhere else spouts such rubbish, which is... well, just a bit sad, really.)

It could even be that Canon are simply going to keep making the EF 35mm f/1.4L—hence having two L-series 35s on the market—as it's been the top-selling L prime of the last decade, and many 9-to-5 pros and agencies have not and will not be switching to RF any time soon.

Which is all to say that there is no news, as of right now. Nothing has been announced. Nobody who can speak publicly actually knows what is coming. Nobody reputable has said anything. Maybe there are two RF 35s coming; maybe there aren't. Maybe there's an 8-800mm f/0.85 IS 2x Macro coming... I mean, it's technically not impossible, so we might as well report that as news...



Sep 29, 2023 at 02:54 AM
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Ah. When I read "they announced" I assumed "they" = Canon. By the same token, "they announced" R5 firmware v2, a 600/4 DO, and many other things.


Sep 29, 2023 at 04:46 PM
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I don't shoot a ton of hockey, but I shoot enough to know that shooting through an ice-level glass hole with a lens that extends and contracts would suck. That's one situation where you need an internal zoom.


Oct 02, 2023 at 05:04 PM
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A new 70-200 sounds great. Hopefully it'll depress the price of the current one so I can afford to upgrade and get rid of the ridiculously long adapted EF version.


Oct 02, 2023 at 06:04 PM
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gdanmitchell wrote:
Second, the term "dust pump" is so catchy that it "sticks."



Oh, no! Now the dust is sticky? Dust pumping sticky dust?!!! That sounds TERRIBLE for a lens!!!

Sorry, can't help but poke fun. I actually think you're right on the points you make. But, still the same, I'm all for starting a panic and driving down the cost of this lens lens on the secondhand market so that maybe one day I can actually afford one .



Oct 05, 2023 at 09:38 AM
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Al Goldis wrote:
I don't shoot a ton of hockey, but I shoot enough to know that shooting through an ice-level glass hole with a lens that extends and contracts would suck. That's one situation where you need an internal zoom.


Can you not, like, move back two inches when you extend the lens?




Oct 05, 2023 at 09:41 AM
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Al Goldis wrote:
I don't shoot a ton of hockey, but I shoot enough to know that shooting through an ice-level glass hole with a lens that extends and contracts would suck. That's one situation where you need an internal zoom.

amacal1 wrote:
Can you not, like, move back two inches when you extend the lens?


You have to remember to do so, otherwise the end of the lens will be protruding into the playing area and could catch a player or ref if they're moving along the boards.

I don't have the 2.8 version but with my RF 70-200/4, in these situations I find it's easier to zoom the lens by push/pull of the front rather than the zoom ring. The zoom resistance is low enough to allow this and it helps keep track of where the front of the lens is positioned. But doing this might not suit everyone.



Oct 05, 2023 at 12:46 PM
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amacal1 wrote:
Can you not, like, move back two inches when you extend the lens?



Do you really think moving back and forth as you zoom while trying to follow fast-moving action is optimal?



Oct 06, 2023 at 01:01 PM
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gdanmitchell wrote:
The "dust pump" stuff has never been a problem and, frankly, I'm a bit tired of this meme.

The ones being guilty of the existence of this meme are the ones bragging about the superiority of the internal zooming design back in the day Canon didn't make a 70-200mm with a telescoping design yet.

When Canon changes it's design philosophy it can get confusing what folks should brag about.

Personally I'm a bit tired of both memes, the dust pump meme, but the "compactness removes dust"-meme as well. Why is it so hard to enjoy an advantage without denying a disadvantage? And if you want to be able to enjoy both advantages, just buy both the RF lens and an EF lens as well. That way you can also choose if you want the precision of the long focus throw of the RF lens or the immediacy of the short focus throw of the EF lens.

For me it's clear: the Tamron FE 35-150mm f/2.0-2.8 is far more appealing to me than any 70-200mm or 70-180mm, so I will happily accept a dust pump over an internal focusing design, without any denying.





Oct 08, 2023 at 03:12 PM
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