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I was killing time while waiting for someone so I took the Monochrom for a walk around the outside of an old garage. First, the entrance caught my eye, then the vice. I tried the vice in straight b&w, but I think the toning helps it.
Cheers,
Brent





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  LEICA M10 MONOCHROM    Summilux-M 1:1.4/50 ASPH. lens    50mm    f/5.6    1/1000s    2500 ISO    0.0 EV  




Sep 21, 2023 at 09:07 PM
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Both are exceptional Brent but #2 is outstanding! Love the tone! Also love how he fastened the vise to the stump! I also love what has fallen between the glass and partion in the window.
Dan

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Sep 22, 2023 at 09:14 AM
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I love the vise. you did a great job of bring out the texture. and I love the bent nail!
stay well, tom



Sep 22, 2023 at 09:15 AM
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Danpbphoto wrote:
Both are exceptional Brent but #2 is outstanding! Love the tone! Also love how he fastened the vise to the stump! I also love what has fallen between the glass and partion in the window.
Dan


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tomandmarj wrote:
I love the vise. you did a great job of bring out the texture. and I love the bent nail!
stay well, tom



Dan and Tom, Thank you for your kind comments.
Cheers,
Brent



Sep 22, 2023 at 03:39 PM
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That second is very fine Brent!
Douglas



Sep 23, 2023 at 06:26 AM
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I was trying to figure out what the "vice" is ... too much barbecue

Very nicely rendered on the vise. So clean at 2500 ISO, too.



Sep 23, 2023 at 07:32 AM
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RustyBug wrote:
I was trying to figure out what the "vice" is ... too much barbecue

Very nicely rendered on the vise. So clean at 2500 ISO, too.

I have that "vise-vice" about BBQ also Kent!




Sep 23, 2023 at 09:35 AM
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Great captures, #1 my fav, probably because of the wonderful tones.

Best,

Bob



Sep 23, 2023 at 03:42 PM
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Like Bob I like #1.


Sep 23, 2023 at 05:03 PM
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douter wrote:
That second is very fine Brent!
Douglas


Thanks Douglas.
Cheers,
Brent

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RustyBug wrote:
I was trying to figure out what the "vice" is ... too much barbecue

Very nicely rendered on the vise. So clean at 2500 ISO, too.


Thanks much. I can still remember what the grain looked like with The Kodak T-Max P3200. I'd have to say I never dreamed back then that I'd be able to shoot digitally with these super high ISOs and have such clean results.
Cheers,
Brent

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Bob Jarman wrote:
Great captures, #1 my fav, probably because of the wonderful tones.

Best,

Bob


Thanks Bob. That was what first turned my head. The scene looked perfect for b&w and I was glad I had the Monochrom.
Cheers,
Brent

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Like Bob I like #1.


Much appreciated Allen.
Cheers,
Brent





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Any reason why youíre shooting these at 1/1000? Makes no sense.


Sep 24, 2023 at 05:40 AM
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VailJohnson wrote:
Any reason why youíre shooting these at 1/1000? Makes no sense.


Makes no sense to you maybe. I say why not?



Sep 24, 2023 at 08:01 AM
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VailJohnson wrote:
Any reason why youíre shooting these at 1/1000? Makes no sense.

I have "cogwheeling" "VJ". I have to shoot at higher shutter speeds or there is shake.
Dan


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Sep 24, 2023 at 08:28 AM
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VailJohnson wrote:
Any reason why youíre shooting these at 1/1000?


My first inclination is to "lower the ISO" and shoot at "lower SS" ... very old school from my chrome days shooting ISO 50. So, it's a reasonable question that came to my mind also ... as I thought it through a bit more.

But, in today's realm (and particularly on the mono, without a BFA), that isn't as necessary as it once was. YET, for me ... old ways die hard, and that was my first thought, too.


But, as time marches on, I find that shooting higher shutter speeds affords me more latitude in my technique ... meaning, back in the day, I either had rock solid technique or I toted a tripod with me, which shooting 1/1000 certainly does not require.

I think the thing to realize here is that with the monochrome body (not the same as converting from BFA), the penalty degradation of shooting the higher ISO is vastly different from that of shooting the BFA's ... meaning the higher ISO is still pretty darn clean, so the matter of SS can be set higher to reduce risk of camera shake (particularly, with those of us in a bit of an aging group). If you "reverse think" this, the ballpark 1.5 stop advantage of the removed BFA would equate to using a SS of about 1/350 down from 1/1000, which may seem as a different "expectation". So, on the mono 1/1000 isn't really "that high" in monochrome body terms.

Young guns with rock steady technique (or using IBIS) ... hold that thought for another 20, 30 or 40 years, and try shooting 1:1 without IBIS. You may find it rather disparaging to realize that you just can't do it the same way that you used to. I know that when I first got some lenses without OIS, I was really shocked at how much I "sucked" at not being able to handhold the way I used to. But, even with refocusing my attention to technique ... well, time takes its toll in a way that doesn't favor us as we age.


On another front (Kent's hypothesis), some of the top tier lighting mfr's (Broncolor / Profoto) have shorter duration cutoffs to provide that "crisper" look, moreover than some of their longer duration counterparts. To this ... it has made me wonder if using the higher shutter speed (sufficient exposure retained) in ambient conditions affords for a crisper image, as well. My testing is inconclusive at this juncture to how much benefit there is with the shorter duration SS, but in the realm of "why not" ... I think it isn't the penalty-inducing issue that the offsetting ISO (again, this was on a monochrome body) used to be. (Oh yeah, I remember 3200 grain.)

My .02 is that the OP with this body has learned that the settings that afford a wide range of latitude for a variety of situations. Could it have been shot at a lower ISO, slower SS ... probably. But, I reckon this is kind of an "f/8 and be there" sort of thing, just on the ISO / SS side of the equation ... allowing for the OP to be more attentive to his comp, than his camera.

I ramble ...

Just saying, I wondered about the higher ISO / SS too ... but, it is apparent that "no blood, no foul" is in play, because the "proof is in the pudding".

My guess ... the short answer is "convenience" (similar to "f/8 and be there), with little penalty for doing so ... as afforded by the monochrome body and great glass combo.



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Sep 24, 2023 at 09:12 AM
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RustyBug wrote:
My first inclination is to "lower the ISO" and shoot at "lower SS" ... very old school from my chrome days shooting ISO 50.

But, in today's realm (and particularly on the mono, without a BFA), that isn't as necessary as it once was. YET, for me ... old ways die hard, and that was my first thought, too.

But, as time marches, on I find that shooting higher shutter speeds affords me more latitude in my technique ... meaning, back in the day, I either had rock solid technique or I toted a tripod with me, which shooting 1/1000 certainly does
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Very well stated Kent!






Sep 24, 2023 at 09:17 AM
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Danpbphoto wrote:
Very well stated Kent!


Thanks Dan.



Sep 24, 2023 at 09:21 AM
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RustyBug wrote:
Thanks Dan.





Sep 24, 2023 at 09:22 AM
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I shot a lot with Kodachrome 25 and 64 back in the day but with the M 10 mono and a base ISO that's 400 and 25,000 ISO is still good then the old ways can fall away pretty fast. Proofs always in the pudding as Kent said. I say just more tools in the toolbox. And thats a good thing.


Sep 24, 2023 at 09:27 AM
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airfrogusmc wrote:
the old ways can fall away pretty fast.


My "old ways" are taking a bit longer to fall away ... but, they're gettin' there.

TBH, I worked so hard, so long to develop them ... I still want to hang on to them (as if they're still, uber-critical). Truth be known, it isn't as critical as I want them to be for many things. Though pill to swallow after all that effort for back in the day, when it was vastly more critical those differences made.

Base ISO 400 ... 800, 1600, 3200. 2500 sits about 2.5 stops over base ISO.
Compared to a BFA with a base ISO of 100, that would be 4.5 stops, or 5.5 stops over base ISO 50.

So, when the mind has been previously programmed to stay under 1/250 (etc.) ... allowing one to adjust their thinking that ISO 2500, 1/1000 is still good territory takes a bit of getting used to. I've seen it done plenty, yet my brain still doesn't "go there" automatically. That said, I'm getting more comfortable with ISO 1600 than I used to be. I'm starting to use 1/750 more often, too.

Psychologically: ISO 2500, 1/1000 ... what why
Answer: Because it still, works.

I've just got some "re-programming" still to work on. Brent seems to have figured that out already.





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Sep 24, 2023 at 09:38 AM
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When I'm shooting on the street with the M 10 Mono I am usually at 1600 or 3200 ISO shutter speeds of 1/1000 or 1/2000 at f/8 or maybe f/11 and prints from the files look cleaner than tri-x at 400.

When I was in college I had 2 semesters of the zone system (yes I did all the tests) and shot with 4X5 and 8X10 view cameras. The new world has been quite a change for me to. But these new tools just make it easier for me to capture what I am seeing.



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