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What does everyone think of the new plastic materials they are making the new RF lenses out of? I purchased an rf 85 1.2 While the image quality is amazing the plastic seems to scratch up really easy and makes weird clicking noises when I touch the plastic part of the lens as I'm working -- Specifically around the area with the type "Canon 85". Am I the only OCD person out there to notice this?
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Sep 20, 2023 at 10:07 PM
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p.1 #2 · p.1 #2 · New Canon Lens build quality


Aren't most RF Canon lenses made of similar plastic to the last generation of EF, EF-S and EF-M lenses? I haven't noticed much difference beyond style cosmetics with RF models and the last generation of EF, EF-S and EF-M lenses. Save for the large white primes, they all seem to be equally plasticky. The plastic of the late 1980s and early 1990s Series was a little thicker than new designs (still own several), but the new plastics are likely stronger. I prefer the lighter build. Easier on my back. As for scratches, I haven't noticed any difference on the lens barrels. The finish on RF hoods are less prone to fingernail scratches and fingerprints than the old EF designs.


Sep 20, 2023 at 10:37 PM
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I was extremely disappointed with the build quality and performance of my RF 24-105mm f4.0L. It was nowhere near the same build quality of the older generation EF-L series lenses. My EF 17-40mm f4.0L was built like a tank. While the RF lenses in general perform well (except for the RF 24-105mm f4.0L that I had), they do feel flimsy compared to the older EF-USM lenses.

An exception to the older well built lenses was the EF 16-35mm f4.0L. It felt flimsy and plasticky. It performed well, but did not feel like a traditional L lens. It was one of the first lenses I sold off when I merged to an R6.



Sep 21, 2023 at 06:19 AM
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p.1 #4 · p.1 #4 · New Canon Lens build quality


My original 35L feels flimsy, the 16-35mm feels cheaper made, but more solid.


Sep 21, 2023 at 06:29 AM
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I have to say I don't like them to the point I decided to divert all money to sigma art glass


Sep 21, 2023 at 08:05 AM
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delsol9400 wrote:
What does everyone think of the new plastic materials they are making the new RF lenses out of? I purchased an rf 85 1.2 While the image quality is amazing the plastic seems to scratch up really easy and makes weird clicking noises when I touch the plastic part of the lens as I'm working -- Specifically around the area with the type "Canon 85". Am I the only OCD person out there to notice this?
Thank you


I mentioned this a couple years ago about the feel and look of the RF plastic compared to the nice quality feeling plastic on the Sony GM lenses. It didn't over over well. Canon fanboys ate me alive



Sep 21, 2023 at 08:20 AM
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p.1 #7 · p.1 #7 · New Canon Lens build quality


I have a couple of RF, the 16mm, 24-105L and 800 f/11.

The 16 feels pretty similar to me as the 40mm EF pancake and similar style EF lenses I have/had. The 24-105L feels better to me than my v1 EF 24-105L. But that may be because one is old and well used and the other is new and getting use, but 2yrs old vs. 10+ years old. The 800 is very sturdy for the price. So can't really complain.

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Sep 21, 2023 at 08:31 AM
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p.1 #8 · p.1 #8 · New Canon Lens build quality


I think the build quality (robustness) is fine and am OK with the increased use of plastic, if it holds up. Where I agree with the OP is about the "matte" finish of the plastic. I don't like it. It seems to easily pick up very fine dust and easily shows scuffs, that aren't actually scuffs, but just dust/dirt. Prolonged rubbing in one spot will buff/damage the matte surface and result in an uneven appearance. White RF L lenses seem to show this less than black RF lenses. Not sure how Canon could have done this better because any plastic finish will eventually show wear with enough use over time.


Sep 21, 2023 at 08:44 AM
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p.1 #9 · p.1 #9 · New Canon Lens build quality


I am not a big fan of the plastic look of those new lenses.
- Look cheaper than metal but they have a more modern look and lighter in weight, just like everything else in this 2023 years ( material used in cars, houses etc.. )
- Build is okay unless it get dropped.
- Get more easily to have scuffs/ scratches than metal.

But overall, the weight advantage is the most important thing for my pre-60 age.
Hai



Sep 21, 2023 at 09:17 AM
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I only have two RF-native lenses at the moment, the 70-200/2.8 and the 24-70/2.8. Obviously the 70-200 has the white finish, which seems pretty similar to the finish on the EF lenses. The matte black of the 24-70 does seem to pick up particulate matter that appears as smudges, but not to a degree that I would consider bothersome. Frankly I am satisfied with the build quality of both lenses.


Sep 21, 2023 at 10:35 AM
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The build quality of most of the RF lenses is much better than the EFs.

The composite plastics they're using are much safer materials than the metals that some of the older lenses used—hack youtubers may tell you that anything metal is "built like a tank", but the reality is that metal can't be crafted and fitted within as tight tolerances as the modern composites, shifts more with environmental changes, and metal passes any and all shock on to the more fragile gearing and glass, instead of absorbing some of it like the plastics do—and, at least on most of the lenses I've had and closely inspected so far, they're all fit together much more tightly and precisely than anything I ever saw out of the EF line, barring the TS-E 90mm and 135mm macro Ls.

The only exception to this has been the RF 85mm f/2, which is perhaps the worst-made first-party lens released after the 80s that I have ever encountered; considering I've owned or rented every Canon EF lens, that's saying something. I went through three copies of the RF 85mm f/2 and they were uniformly terrible in build, and especially in focus. The EF 50mm f/1.4 had a (slightly exaggerated) reputation for having a fundamentally faulty focus motor, but that lens is a masterpiece compared to the RF 85 f/2's. Of the three copies I went through, the motors on two broke completely, and the third was making very harsh grinding noises when I sent it back and gave up on the lens for good. But the even bigger issue was how much dust was drawn inside all of them. I only ever used them in a sterile studio environment, meticulously kept clean for archival shots (sometimes you don't need 100mm+ and true 1:1 for some larger objects, so I was hoping the 85 would be a comparatively 'wide' option), yet somehow they filled with dust faster than anything I've ever used. The focus rings and switches had massive gaps on all three copies, and the opening around the front was like something you'd find on one of those £40 all-manual lenses that no-name Chinese factories are churning out on eBay. I've got lenses from the 1950s which have less dust inside than those RF 85s did after a couple of weeks.

The only first-party lenses I've ever encountered which could compete with the RF 85mm f/2 for consistently poor build quality would be the old 'micro motor' EF 35mm f/2 from 1990, and the first generation Fujifilm XF 56mm f/1.2. Those three lenses are all simply diabolical in build.

... Okay, rant aside, for every other lens the RF series beats the EF in build quality, hands-down. Every other lens is better-built than its EF counterpart. The RF 70-200 f/2.8L, in particular, is masterfully made; the extending design is not a problem at all when the barrels are made and assembled that precisely. It's only a shame it has such bad focus breathing, otherwise it'd be the best 70-200 (or equivalent) made to date, for any system. It's quite bizarre that an externally-zooming lens is the one with the worst breathing. But that's an optics design issue, not a build quality issue.



Sep 21, 2023 at 02:10 PM
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p.1 #12 · p.1 #12 · New Canon Lens build quality


I find the RF lens-builds just fine. But then I use mine to take photos, not for tank warfare or for hammering nails.


Sep 21, 2023 at 02:55 PM
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delsol9400 wrote:
What does everyone think of the new plastic materials they are making the new RF lenses out of? I purchased an rf 85 1.2 While the image quality is amazing the plastic seems to scratch up really easy and makes weird clicking noises when I touch the plastic part of the lens as I'm working -- Specifically around the area with the type "Canon 85". Am I the only OCD person out there to notice this?
Thank you


I may also have some mild OCD and I couldn't agree more about this new plastic. Somehow it even collects my dry skin particles! No joke But there's a solution - wrap all your lenses and it will stop bothering you: https://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/1807166/1#16241275



Sep 21, 2023 at 03:37 PM
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The fine pebble like grain finish of the GM lenses is so much better than my RF's. The plastic feels thicker and higher quality. The RF's even feel slippery to me. Of course YMMV

5-24-21 DSC01570 by dennis laska, on Flickr



Sep 21, 2023 at 05:56 PM
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Funny you mention dust, my first rf 85 1.2 came brand new with a ton of dust in it. I sent it back, this one, only a couple specs. Apparently it's normal, I try not to obsess about it. It does not impact image quality at all. I've used many lenses and the rf 85 1.2 produces some of the best images I've seen - even at f/8 where most people don't intend to use it, it excels, my studio images are razor sharp. However the build quality could be better. My first one did not make a clicking noise when you touched it, this one does. I was going to make a video about the clicking sound but I figured people would think I'm nuts. I thought about sending it in under warranty but I also figured canon would think I'm nuts. The first version of the lens I had did not click when you touched the plastic. I would have returned this one too, but got busy and missed the return window.


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The build quality of most of the RF lenses is much better than the EFs.

The composite plastics they're using are much safer materials than the metals that some of the older lenses used—hack youtubers may tell you that anything metal is "built like a tank", but the reality is that metal can't be crafted and fitted within as tight tolerances as the modern composites, shifts more with environmental changes, and metal passes any and all shock on to the more fragile gearing and glass, instead of absorbing some of it like the plastics do—and, at least on most of the
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Sep 21, 2023 at 07:16 PM
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I like the weight savings, and the finish does not bother me. They clean up just fine.


Sep 21, 2023 at 07:35 PM
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I have no qualms if Canon chooses to employ more lighter weight, and cost effective materials in their lenses and/or bodies as long as it doesn’t compromise performance, longevity, and function. I do have to say that I don’t really like the new plastics because the seem to attract and hold more dirt and the new paint on the whites is poor. While it seems to resist scratches pretty well it seems more susceptible to abrasion . Perhaps a materials scientist can comment on the coating durability?


Sep 21, 2023 at 09:40 PM
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I can only directly compare the RF 100–500mm f/4.5–7.1 with the EF 100–400mm f/4.5–5.6 II. I prefer the feel and look of the new lens to the old lens.

I also have the EF 16–35mm f/4 IS and EF 24–70mm f/4 IS, which have a similar feel to them, and prefer the look and feel of those to my older style EF lenses.

Out of all my lenses, the ones that are showing most cosmetic wear are the TS-E 24mm f/3.5 II, which has quite a lot of brassing on the barrel, and the EF 70–200mm f/4 IS, whose plastic hood is heavily patinated and rubber grip rings streaked white. The plastic barrel on the 70–200 is not marked in any way, even though the lens is 15 years old and has been taken hiking in difficult conditions. The EF 24–70mm f/4 IS has also been taken hiking in hard conditions and shows no sign of wear anywhere. The RF 100–500 is too new to show any wear yet.

I think people need to adapt to and accept the new aesthetics. The Sony lens in the photo above just looks old fashioned to me. (There is nothing wrong with that; lenses last a long time and stay in production a long time.)




Sep 21, 2023 at 09:44 PM
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Imagery wrote:
I am not a big fan of the plastic look of those new lenses.
- Look cheaper than metal but they have a more modern look and lighter in weight, just like everything else in this 2023 years ( material used in cars, houses etc.. )
- Build is okay unless it get dropped.
- Get more easily to have scuffs/ scratches than metal.

But overall, the weight advantage is the most important thing for my pre-60 age.
Hai


I don't recall any metal EF or EF-S lenses, save for some of the huge white L series telephotos. Even my late 1980s and early 90s Canon EF lenses had plastic barrels. But, yeah, some of my old Nikkor AI/AIS were metal and they felt great to handle.



Sep 21, 2023 at 09:57 PM
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Gochugogi wrote:
I don't recall any metal EF or EF-S lenses, save for some of the huge white L series telephotos. Even my late 1980s and early 90s Canon EF lenses had plastic barrels.


The EF 16–35mm f/2.8 II, EF 180mm f/3.5 macro and EF 100–400mm f/4.5–5.6 II all have metal barrels.



Sep 21, 2023 at 10:23 PM
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