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p.1 #1 · p.1 #1 · Limiting options and menu on R5

The last two times I’ve been out taking photos, I’ve somehow keep switching from full frame to 1.6 crop mode. The first time as the light was going, I was trying to figure out what was going on and missed some shots. It happened again in his morning, and this time I wasted time trying to move to a different vantage point and redo
Pose before realizing I was in crop mode again.

I know there is a way to limit the available ISO range and AF modes.

Is there a way to limit the available Aspect ratio. I generally shoot “Full” 99% or the time and changes my aspect once or twice. But lately I’ve accidentally changed the aspect ratio, and then even ended up saving that 1.6 crop mode after making another chance to one of my custom settings.

The other question is that it’s a pain going through the number of menu screens when trying to correct things like that aspect ratio. Is there a way to hide some of the little used menus. There are a number of muni screens i NEVER use. I think even with video, I MIGHT have used that three times. I have setup the settings I use most often in the my menu, but occasionally need to adjust something late. However, it would be nice to be able to disable around 5 of the menu screens.

I think lost of my issues are when wearing gloves I’ve accidentally opened up an option on the rear lcd panel and changed a setting. I usually only use the rear lcd touch screen settings for focus occasionally, so not sure if touch screen on the lice can be disabled for everything except for picking a focus point

Anyways, going some lone can offer some advice.

Sep 17, 2023 at 06:13 PM

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p.1 #2 · p.1 #2 · Limiting options and menu on R5

Read it over and over:

https://cam.start.canon/en/C003/

Sounds like you have too much camera.

Sep 17, 2023 at 11:00 PM

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p.1 #3 · p.1 #3 · Limiting options and menu on R5

Use My Menu to add your commonly used settings. That should help solve some of your problems.

Sep 18, 2023 at 01:21 AM

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p.1 #4 · p.1 #4 · Limiting options and menu on R5

Imagemaster wrote:
Read it over and over:

https://cam.start.canon/en/C003/

Sounds like you have too much camera.

This is not helpful. I haven’t looked at the R5 manual, but the one for the R3 is incomplete, inaccurate, has no index, and manages to be several times as long as it needs to be. At one point I was running experiments with a stopwatch to figure out what the section on power saving could possibly mean. This really isn’t the user’s fault, and photography shouldn’t be a game to figure out how to use poorly designed cameras. I say “poorly designed”, because I believe if they’d written the manual first such that users could understand it, the operation of the camera would have been simpler. I also think those manuals suffer from poor translation.

OP already has part of the answer – decide what requires easy access and put that in My Menu. I also have some of the tab colours and numbers memorised, which is all very well for me, who, as a software engineer has been known to memorise bootstrap programs in octal.

I keep a folder with notes of how some of the trickier things work on the camera, and have reread those once or twice just to cement it in my head.

Sep 18, 2023 at 03:25 AM

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p.1 #5 · p.1 #5 · Limiting options and menu on R5

melcat wrote:
This is not helpful. I haven’t looked at the R5 manual, but the one for the R3 is incomplete, inaccurate, has no index, and manages to be several times as long as it needs to be. At one point I was running experiments with a stopwatch to figure out what the section on power saving could possibly mean. This really isn’t the user’s fault, and photography shouldn’t be a game to figure out how to use poorly designed cameras. I say “poorly designed”, because I believe if they’d written the manual first such that users could understand it, the operation...Show more →

Not helpful? Perhaps you should look at the link I provided. It is for the R5 Advanced User Guide PDF and happens to have 7 pages of Index and 944 pages of info. And the same guide for your R3 has 7 pages of Index and 1096 pages of info.

If it is not the user's fault for not referring to those guides, whose fault do you think it is?

Photographers are always complaining that camera X does not have this or that, and when they do have those, they complain there are too many features. So go buy a 'point & shoot' and set your camera in Program Mode.

Just like they want more buttons and switches, but then one has to memorize what each is for, or has been assigned to do.

There is no perfect camera, and no perfect manual.

If you think you can produce either one, then go for it. And don't forget that if you want to sell that camera worldwide, you have to translate the manual into many different languages.

Sep 18, 2023 at 10:28 AM

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p.1 #6 · p.1 #6 · Limiting options and menu on R5

I find Canon's web manuals much easier to use than the PDF or paper variants: nested table of contents on every page and google-like search engine.

Sep 18, 2023 at 11:27 AM

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p.1 #7 · p.1 #7 · Limiting options and menu on R5

Jesse Evans wrote:
Use My Menu to add your commonly used settings. That should help solve some of your problems.

^^^ This 100%

I have my a button assigned on my Sony for changing from FF to Crop mode. I would imagine you can do the same on the R5

Sep 18, 2023 at 11:48 AM

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p.1 #8 · p.1 #8 · Limiting options and menu on R5

Jesse Evans wrote:
Use My Menu to add your commonly used settings. That should help solve some of your problems.

Agree. And set the camera to bring up My Menu first when you press the Menu button.

Sep 18, 2023 at 12:13 PM

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p.1 #9 · p.1 #9 · Limiting options and menu on R5

I don’t have this camera so I just now downloaded the R5 Advanced User Guide from Canon and took a quick gander at it.

I’m wondering if your camera has a button that is custom set to Cropping/aspect ratio mode?

On page 840 ”IMAGE’ section’s table shows that 10 buttons on this camera can be reassigned to Cropping/aspect ratio! Perhaps one of these camera buttons has been reassigned to this and is inadvertently being bumped somehow however I would think you would see something in the viewfinder that indicates that you are in in one of the Cropping/aspect ratio modes?

When the camera is in Full-Frame setting I think that each click of the reassigned button would cycle thru the settings in this order: 1.6 crop -> 1:1 aspect, -> 4:3 aspect, ->19:9 aspect -> Full-Frame. Just one click while the camera is in Full-Frame will bump the camera directly into 1.6 crop mode!

Also:
On page 855 “Registering My Menu” says that up to 5 “MY MENU” tabs are possible and you can even rename them any way you want.

Edited on Sep 18, 2023 at 01:01 PM · View previous versions

Sep 18, 2023 at 12:38 PM

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p.1 #10 · p.1 #10 · Limiting options and menu on R5

Canon is becoming Sony as they add more and more options that are interlinked - creating a menu that if you are not using everyday, you forget. Further compounding this is that my r8 has menu features my r5 does not eg AEB with Electronic, noise shooting in electronic, ... which causes me to be frustrated when I don't remember what is possible on one vs the other. [I bought r8 for video, 2nd camera, and backpacking]

I use c1,c2, c3 extensively and save my c1,c2,c3 so I can reload them. Then you can vary c1,c2,c3 by purpose of trip.

Canon needs to enable developers to create/sell menus.

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I looked and could not see how to leave the "Full" choice off the q screen.

So your solutions are:
customize your customizable menu - not really solve but makes it easier
turn on the option of framing vs blocking so you notice when you are in apsc - but defeats the gain of 1.6 of seeing bigger for focus and just avoid apsc mode
customizing a button to toggle from apsc to ff - but then you are at risk of accidentally toggling vs the gain of fixing fast when you do it.
leave it the way it is and be frustrated when you forget to check
buy the r7 and you will make a choice of ff vs apsc - but that's expensive

So no obvious solution.

Sep 18, 2023 at 12:56 PM

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p.1 #11 · p.1 #11 · Limiting options and menu on R5

Hey!

See page 861 "Menu Display Settings" where you can set the camera to "Display Only My Menu tab"(s) whereupon only your up to 5 custom My Menu tabs will be displayed!

You build your own menus and then shut off all of the camera's default ones until you need them.

You can also set "Display from My Menu tab" so that whenever you click the camera's Menu button your My Menu tab(s) will always be active first with ahead of the default ones still showing (not highlighted) and usable if you so desire.

Sep 18, 2023 at 01:57 PM

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p.1 #12 · p.1 #12 · Limiting options and menu on R5

Imagemaster wrote:
Not helpful? Perhaps you should look at the link I provided. It is for the R5 Advanced User Guide PDF and happens to have 7 pages of Index and 944 pages of info.

A table of contents is not an index, and 944 pages is about 844 too many for any normal person.

OP quite reasonably hopes to have their immediate question answered through other methods, like this forum.

Sep 19, 2023 at 02:09 AM

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p.1 #13 · p.1 #13 · Limiting options and menu on R5

^ Or the OP is just testing us?

Sep 19, 2023 at 02:25 AM

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p.1 #14 · p.1 #14 · Limiting options and menu on R5

IndyFab wrote:
^^^ This 100%

I have my a button assigned on my Sony for changing from FF to Crop mode. I would imagine you can do the same on the R5

Yep, you can do it on the R5, I assigned it to the M-Fn button to toggle back and forth

Sep 19, 2023 at 06:08 PM

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p.1 #15 · p.1 #15 · Limiting options and menu on R5

melcat wrote:
A table of contents is not an index, and 944 pages is about 844 too many for any normal person.

OP quite reasonably hopes to have their immediate question answered through other methods, like this forum.

Yes, my bad. A table of contents is far more useful than an index. Who are you to determine how many pages are appropriate for others?

The OP can get immediate answers here as well as much more info from the Advanced User Guide. That is if you don't mind.

Sep 19, 2023 at 08:04 PM

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p.1 #16 · p.1 #16 · Limiting options and menu on R5

Imagemaster wrote:
Yes, my bad. A table of contents is far more useful than an index. Who are you to determine how many pages are appropriate for others?

The OP can get immediate answers here as well as much more info from the Advanced User Guide. That is if you don't mind.

It may not be his to determine. But he is still right, and 100 pages is on the high side. And for most that is because there is no index! RTFM nooo! RTF index, yes! But there is none to be found.

Sep 20, 2023 at 02:30 AM

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Z250SA wrote:
It may not be his to determine. But he is still right, and 100 pages is on the high side. And for most that is because there is no index! RTFM nooo! RTF index, yes! But there is none to be found.

On the high side for whom, you? How about the many people that prefer more information? Many like myself have no need for an index when such a comprehensive table of contents provides such a good guide?

In case you have not noticed, as cameras have become more complex over the years, the manuals, the table of contents, and the indexes have all become longer.

Sep 20, 2023 at 07:44 AM

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p.1 #18 · p.1 #18 · Limiting options and menu on R5

Imagemaster wrote:
On the high side for whom, you? How about the many people that prefer more information? Many like myself have no need for an index when such a comprehensive table of contents provides such a good guide?

In case you have not noticed, as cameras have become more complex over the years, the manuals, the table of contents, and the indexes have all become longer.

Oh, we are so many! Many like yourself, many like myself. So, if a thread is started by someone who does not belong to the many yourselves, why bother to fill that thread with your side of things? Observe! That was not a question for the masses om either side, just ment for you personally to ponder quietly.

Sep 20, 2023 at 10:46 AM


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