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I just noticed this new SmallRig device that's open for pre-orders.

https://www.smallrig.com/SmallRig-Rotatable-Horizontal-to-Vertical-Mount-Plate-Kit-for-Canon-EOS-Specific-R-Series-Cameras-4300.html?afmc=5h2

My first thought was that it would be a great way to eliminate the need for an L-bracket that notoriously interferes with the swivel screen when shooting landscapes and such. I wonder if this would work with lenses that already a foot like the 100-500 or any of the great whites such as the 500II.

It looks like you need to remove screws (not ideal) to remove the foot section but I'm not sure what I'm seeing.
Also not sure if this would block the control ring on the 100-500?

Does anyone know if these new brackets work with existing lenses that have a foot?





















Sep 13, 2023 at 10:10 AM
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i wonder if it can lock in intermediate positions and not just 0 and 90?


Sep 13, 2023 at 10:53 AM
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p.1 #3 · p.1 #3 · SmallRig Rotatable Horizontal-to-Vertical Mount Plate


Looks an awful lot like the Atoll:
https://www.widescenes.com/review-atoll-lens-rotating-collar/



Sep 13, 2023 at 12:33 PM
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lighthound wrote:
I just noticed this new SmallRig device that's open for pre-orders.

https://www.smallrig.com/SmallRig-Rotatable-Horizontal-to-Vertical-Mount-Plate-Kit-for-Canon-EOS-Specific-R-Series-Cameras-4300.html?afmc=5h2

My first thought was that it would be a great way to eliminate the need for an L-bracket that notoriously interferes with the swivel screen when shooting landscapes and such. I wonder if this would work with lenses that already a foot like the 100-500 or any of the great whites such as the 500II.

It looks like you need to remove screws (not ideal) to remove the foot section but I'm not sure what I'm seeing.
Also not sure if this would block the control ring on the 100-500?

Does
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In the Q&A section there is a question about RF 70-200/2.8 compatibility and their response was that the original tripod collar should be removed. I'm not familiar with the 100-500 so not sure how it compares to the 70-200.

Looks like this adapter for Sony, Nikon and Fuji has a feature that allows you to slide the camera back away from the ring a few cm in order to access switches on the lens near the mount. But the Canon version does not have this feature, nor does it have a camera QR plate for quick removal from the adapter. The model for Canon seems a bit stripped down in comparison to the one for other brands.

It also seems like rotation is only 0-90 degrees and not more (like 180 or 360), which if true, is IMO slightly limiting because sometimes you need/want to have more range if whatever it's mounted on is not perfectly level. I could see this being a bit annoying because it will mean the need to fiddle with whatever it's on to get that level first.



Sep 13, 2023 at 01:00 PM
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jakemachina wrote:
Looks an awful lot like the Atoll:
https://www.widescenes.com/review-atoll-lens-rotating-collar/


except it has a locking mechanism. I'm hoping that the locking mechanism allows intermediate angles.



Sep 13, 2023 at 01:27 PM
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by the way, i heard back from them and they say it locks in any position, not just 0 and 90. So I pre-ordered it. It's supposed to ship on sept 25.


Sep 14, 2023 at 07:23 AM
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jzucker wrote:
by the way, i heard back from them and they say it locks in any position, not just 0 and 90. So I pre-ordered it. It's supposed to ship on sept 25.


Nice! Let us know what you think once you get some alone time using it. Do you have a 100-500 by any chance that you could try this out with?
I'm curious how much space it might hog up next to the grip area. I'm not wild about the overall bulk of the complete set-up but if it's not too bad and would eliminate the need for an L bracket then I might pick one up. I use the control ring on my 100-500 constantly often to adjust exposure comp so that's another concern.



Sep 14, 2023 at 08:16 AM
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lighthound wrote:
Nice! Let us know what you think once you get some alone time using it. Do you have a 100-500 by any chance that you could try this out with?
I'm curious how much space it might hog up next to the grip area. I'm not wild about the overall bulk of the complete set-up but if it's not too bad and would eliminate the need for an L bracket then I might pick one up. I use the control ring on my 100-500 constantly often to adjust exposure comp so that's another concern.


I only use it in my home studio so the 24-105 F4 is the biggest lens I have.



Sep 14, 2023 at 08:37 AM
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It's cheaper than the Kirk and Acratech right angle brackets and it allows for intermediate angles, but I don't really see it being so great for longer lenses, nor arguably is it any more compact. Also the other Kirk/Acratech products work for any camera, so if you change systems you don't need another version.


Sep 14, 2023 at 08:54 AM
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Robin Smith wrote:
It's cheaper than the Kirk and Acratech right angle brackets and it allows for intermediate angles, but I don't really see it being so great for longer lenses, nor arguably is it any more compact. Also the other Kirk/Acratech products work for any camera, so if you change systems you don't need another version.



At $60, it's not so unreasonable to buy another one if you are changing your entire system out.



Sep 14, 2023 at 08:58 AM
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jzucker wrote:
except it has a locking mechanism. I'm hoping that the locking mechanism allows intermediate angles.


The Atoll has the tightening knob at the bottom there to lock the rotating collar at any angle, much like the collars on 70-200's



Sep 14, 2023 at 09:04 AM
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This mechanisms look weak. Too many parts. Too small pieces of metal. I would anticipate this too be too delicate for my use in field with larger lens.

I had something similar for my a7r a long time ago and it failed when I tripped on slippery mud.

I will put up wth L plate ( from small rig ). It’s way safer for my camera.



Sep 14, 2023 at 10:25 AM
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Scott Stoness wrote:
This mechanisms look weak. Too many parts. Too small pieces of metal. I would anticipate this too be too delicate for my use in field with larger lens.

I had something similar for my a7r a long time ago and it failed when I tripped on slippery mud.

I will put up wth L plate ( from small rig ). It’s way safer for my camera.


Yes, I agree for actual use on large lenses I would never use it. My intent would be to use it for landscape lenses and simply leave it in place (not using) when using longer glass such as the 100-500 or 500II. Similar to how I use my L bracket now but would have full access to the swivel screen for getting down low clicking on critters. Now that I think about it, I've never even used the stock foot on my 100-500. It lives on the top of the lens as a handle only as I just handhold that lens.

I modified my L bracket https://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/1781311/0#16085803 so that I can simply slide the side L part completely off the base plate but too many times I forget to put it back on and leave it on my wildlife bag then at a later date I go out shooting landscapes with no side L part to use.



Sep 14, 2023 at 10:48 AM
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lighthound wrote:
Yes, I agree for actual use on large lenses I would never use it. My intent would be to use it for landscape lenses and simply leave it in place (not using) when using longer glass such as the 100-500 or 500II. Similar to how I use my L bracket now but would have full access to the swivel screen for getting down low clicking on critters. Now that I think about it, I've never even used the stock foot on my 100-500. It lives on the top of the lens as a handle only as I just handhold that
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Smallrig also has an L bracket where the horizontal piece folds down so at least for landscape shots you can articulate the lens completely



Sep 14, 2023 at 10:52 AM
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jzucker wrote:
Smallrig also has an L bracket where the horizontal piece folds down so at least for landscape shots you can articulate the lens completely


Hmmm that looks more interesting to me as long as the i) the structural integrity remains strong when on portrait orientation, ii) the flex in the plate does not increase when in portrait mode (the small rig is not as tight to the body and strong as RRS/Kirk to avoid movement in really strong wind), and iii) it is easy but safe to use when its -35c.

Has anyone tried this foldable L Plate?

Edited on Sep 14, 2023 at 02:07 PM · View previous versions



Sep 14, 2023 at 01:57 PM
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lighthound wrote:
Yes, I agree for actual use on large lenses I would never use it. My intent would be to use it for landscape lenses and simply leave it in place (not using) when using longer glass such as the 100-500 or 500II. Similar to how I use my L bracket now but would have full access to the swivel screen for getting down low clicking on critters. Now that I think about it, I've never even used the stock foot on my 100-500. It lives on the top of the lens as a handle only as I just handhold that
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My bad experience (L plate breaking) was not with a overly heavy landscape lens. The screws just pulled out of my metabones adapter foot. And the A7r2 was relatively light. The design is more risky than my current L plate (small rig L) with my 24-105 L and drop in filter adapter. There is lots of torque on the mount.



Sep 14, 2023 at 02:01 PM
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p.1 #17 · p.1 #17 · SmallRig Rotatable Horizontal-to-Vertical Mount Plate


Good video review at



Concluded foldable L is pretty good. Bu would use foldable for video (rarely use portrait mode) and inclined to swivelling for landscape (portrait mode used more).

Read through the comments.

A comment on foldable on amazon.ca is

"the bracket is solid when mounting it in its landscape orientation, because the arca-swiss bracket is mounted securely w/ 2 contact points (the hinge and the snap on the right end). However, when switching to vertical, everything rests on the hinge, which does lock in place but not with zero tolerance. With my camera mounted in vertical, any weight on the camera translated to the camera also sagging under pressure. Note - if this is acceptable - similar to how many landscape photographers use a remote to avoid touching their camera after setup - then I don't think this is an issue. However, there are multiple factors that lead to camera shake or drift and the L-bracket the camera is mounted to shouldn't be one of them.

while you are mounting in landscape orientation, the arca-swiss mount is actually pretty offset to the left of the camera. I would have preferred if they had ditched the piece that surrounds the battery compartment, but instead extended the arca-swiss mount until it reached the battery compartment (some L-brackets stop just shy of the battery compartment). This would have extended the mount another 3/4 of an inch. Note that if you center your camera perfectly you only have this much (or maybe even a little less) to the right side of the center line."

Also on amazon.ca

"even with pull out connections may still not be sufficient on Sony a7r4"

re Sony a7r4
"I'm going to start out with why I said almost. With the l bracket flipped out to shoot in portrait orientation, the bracket is not rock steady. Pressing the shutter release causes some movement in the bracket itself. Not a ton, but enough that this will not be suitable for landscape work for me. That's really a shame, because other than that, it's wonderful.
Because this folds, it takes up much less room in your bag. I'm going to be carrying this at times I wouldn't have carried a non-folding bracket (and wished I had!)
Folks, you can really and truly access the battery compartment with this on!
This has a cut out for the strap lug, so it doesn't get in the way.
You can pop out the screen all the way with this on.
You can flip down the bracket and fully rotate the screen with this thing on.
You can adjust it so you have room to plug cables in while using it.
It has a bladed screwdriver attached magnetically so you don't have to hunt down a coin to install or adjust it.
I do wish it had provision for safety lugs on both sides of the Arca Swiss plate. I don't know if I'd use them, but I wish I had the choice to. I know some photographers who will not ever use a plate that doesn't have safety lugs.
If they could get rid of the play in portrait orientation and make it rock solid, this would be the only l-bracket I'd use for my A7IV."


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In summary re foldable, when folded and used in portrait mode, the commenter felt the vibration /flex was not appropriate for landscape. [I have similar but lessor concerns with the small rig without folding because its not as stable as RSS or Kirk. But I live with it because it was available and lighter than Kirk/RSS.

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Sep 14, 2023 at 02:51 PM
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Scott Stoness wrote:
Good video review at



Concluded pretty good. Would use foldable for video (rarely use portrait mode) and inclined to swivelling for landscape (portrait mode used more).

Read through the comments.

A comment on foldable on amazon.ca is

"the bracket is solid when mounting it in its landscape orientation, because the arca-swiss bracket is mounted securely w/ 2 contact points (the hinge and the snap on the right end). However, when switching to vertical, everything rests on the hinge, which does lock in place but not with zero tolerance. With my camera mounted in vertical, any weight on the camera translated to the
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why use an L bracket if you rarely use portrait mode?




Sep 14, 2023 at 03:48 PM
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Here is a review of the small rig rotating bracket



summary [on a Sony a7r4?]
does no work with lens with USB port (tamron) because of protruding USB port
does not work with short focus adapters again because too big
does not work with canon tilt shift lens - too big [a deal killer for me]
does not work with ef adapters on Sony - likely canon too?

[did not like folding L either because he likes to clip to his body but for me this is not an issue and he did say that it seemed sturdy despite what my previous copied comments said.]

Too fussy with lens widths an adapters so not recommended



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Sep 14, 2023 at 04:52 PM
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jzucker wrote:
why use an L bracket if you rarely use portrait mode?



Some people do both video (usually landscape mode) and stills (both landscape and portrait mode). But you are right that if it does not do a good (not shaky) job on portrait, why get it.

I was just summarizing what the comments were, for your benefit.

Interestingly, the next post of YouTube did not mention jiggly for folding L bracket but was only worried because it did not clip into his carrier.

This suggests to me, that the foldable L plate is okay.

In the end, my conclusion are:
1) No to the collar ring rotator because my go to lens are tilt shift and I use a variable nd adapter which likely does not fit
2) The flip L plate is probably okay based on not too jiggly - perhaps I will buy for my next camera.
3) But I will stay with current smallrig L plate because I can usually use the floppy screen enough to not need more mobility



Sep 14, 2023 at 05:46 PM





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