Acquiring a focus lock R5

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rscheffler wrote:
IME it's not just how much space is left, but also how many files are on the card. It could be an 8GB card but with 5,000 small files and it can slow down start up with some cameras.

My understanding is that on start up, the camera checks the card and its contents. If there are a lot of images on the card, it can delay some cameras as they run through the card's file system to verify the contents. For example, my Leica M, if a large capacity card containing thousands of images is installed, it takes the camera...Show more →

I doubt is the amount of pictures in the card as I use also 2 TB Delkin card with the R5 with sometime 1.5 TB full of RAWs with no issue. The Angelbird I mostly use for video but I do also have sometime a few 1000 pictures in it.

Sep 13, 2023 at 10:25 AM

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Reset the camera. Don't change any of the factory settings other than turning off continuous AF and selecting RAW or cRAW. Format your cards. Put it in AI servo and use the single focus point with the 4 small squares around it. Put it in electronic shutter mode and go shoot something very fast coming toward the camera that you can keep the focus point on. You should be able to hit 90% of shots in focus, and the rest might be slightly OOF. If your R5 can do this, then you know you don't have a problem and...Show more →

I fully agree this should yield a very good parentage of in focus pictures, in my experience more than the 1Dx.

Once this works you can start adding one thing at a time like going 2.8, then adding the TC then trying face AF and so on.

Sep 13, 2023 at 10:31 AM

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action99 wrote:
I doubt is the amount of pictures in the card as I use also 2 TB Delkin card with the R5 with sometime 1.5 TB full of RAWs with no issue. The Angelbird I mostly use for video but I do also have sometime a few 1000 pictures in it.

The more data on the card the longer the startup, we talked about this in another thread somewhere. I have several 2TB cards tested on eight different R5's and as data approaches 750gb it slows the startup and gets much slower from there. You should definitely see a slower startup with 1.5TB of data on your card.

Sep 13, 2023 at 10:33 AM

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artsupreme wrote:
The more data on the card the longer the startup, we talked about this in another thread somewhere. I have several 2TB cards tested on eight different R5's and as data approaches 750gb it slows the startup and gets much slower from there. You should definitely see a slower startup with 1.5TB of data on your card.

Not in my case, I just tested R5 latest firmware, Delkin 2TB CFexpress, 1.26 TB full, 9011 files in 28 folders and the startup is immediate, I can start shooting right away.

I have 2 x 2 TB Delkin and 2 x 1 TB Angelbird and in my R5 and R5c I never experience any delayed startup.

Sep 13, 2023 at 10:40 AM

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action99 wrote:
Not in my case, I just tested R5 latest firmware, Delkin 2TB CFexpress, 1.26 TB full, 9011 files in 28 folders and the startup is immediate, I can start shooting right away.

I have 2 x 2 TB Delkin and 2 x 1 TB Angelbird and in my R5 and R5c I never experience any delayed startup.

Okay, then it must have to do with the amount of files. 9011 is not a lot files at all, those could all fit in one folder. The 1.26TB consists of large video files instead of thousands of RAW files. I shoot mostly stills with mixed in video, so I have a lot more files.

When you start to have 30K+ images (9999 in each of these folders) then it will affect both startup and wakeup times. Iv'e confirmed with numerous high end cards (1TB, 1.3TB, 2TB, etc) and with current 4 R5's with the latest firmware. It did it with the old firmware too an a different set of R5's. It's a bummer it does this, but it does it. it's some sort of indexing thing the camera does when it's started up or wakes up.

Each of these folders has 9999 files in them:

Sep 13, 2023 at 11:00 AM

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Are you shooting RAW + JPEG or only RAW?

I shoot only CRAW and RAW video with some MP4 when doing 4k 120.

Sep 13, 2023 at 11:56 AM

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artsupreme wrote:
When you start to have 30K+ images (9999 in each of these folders) then it will affect both startup and wakeup times. Iv'e confirmed with numerous high end cards (1TB, 1.3TB, 2TB, etc) and with current 4 R5's with the latest firmware. It did it with the old firmware too an a different set of R5's. It's a bummer it does this, but it does it. it's some sort of indexing thing the camera does when it's started up or wakes up.

This is what I was getting at in my earlier post. With my R6 and R6II I have only noticed delayed startup when one of the cards has tens of thousands of files on it. In my case when shooting youth sports, they're all jpegs, sometimes medium resolution, sometimes full resolution.

But I also don't think it's the cause of the OP's problems and agree a full reset would be the fastest way to start over to determine if it's a menu setting or a defect with the camera (if the problem persists after a full reset).

Sep 13, 2023 at 12:10 PM

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action99 wrote:
Are you shooting RAW + JPEG or only RAW?

I shoot only CRAW and RAW video with some MP4 when doing 4k 120.

I only switch back and forth between cRAW and RAW for images, never jpegs. As for video I'm not shooting RAW. I'm a video newb and would like to learn more. Currently shooting All-I in Clog3. I have my 3 different custom modes setup for 24fps, 60fps, and 120fps. Suggestions? I'm assuming shooting video RAW eats a lot more space?

Sep 13, 2023 at 12:12 PM

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rscheffler wrote:
This is what I was getting at in my earlier post. With my R6 and R6II I have only noticed delayed startup when one of the cards has tens of thousands of files on it. In my case when shooting youth sports, they're all jpegs, sometimes medium resolution, sometimes full resolution.

But I also don't think it's the cause of the OP's problems and agree a full reset would be the fastest way to start over to determine if it's a menu setting or a defect with the camera (if the problem persists after a full reset).

Yeah, I guess I've been claiming the more data on the card the slower the startup, but per action99 this isn't the case. I should be saying the more files on the card the slower the startup. I live a few minutes from Canon and I was in there and asked about this a long time ago. The tech said "when you have that much data on the card that's going to happen" so I just assumed it was data size and not number of files but now we know.

Sep 13, 2023 at 12:14 PM

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rscheffler wrote:
IME it's not just how much space is left, but also how many files are on the card. It could be an 8GB card but with 5,000 small files and it can slow down start up with some cameras.

My understanding is that on start up, the camera checks the card and its contents. If there are a lot of images on the card, it can delay some cameras as they run through the card's file system to verify the contents. For example, my Leica M, if a large capacity card containing thousands of images is installed, it takes the camera...Show more →

Interesting comments on the cards ... Not something I ever considered or encountered because I am in the habit of formatting the card each time i start a new shoot,,, but i will remember this for future if storing images on say a 2 day shoot out of town.

As for doing a reset to factory settings ... Thats my next thing to try ( even though the camera has not frozen on me for a few days now and seems considerably better since following some suggestions here!

Thank you ... I greatly appreciate this

TerryV

Sep 13, 2023 at 02:07 PM

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