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Canon R5 II

  
 
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Rudy Pohl wrote:
90% of my time with my R5 + RF100-500 combo is spent doing high-resolution wildlife videos (4KHQ and 4K120p). I do mostly birds including Hummingbirds, Snowy Owls, Ospreys, Terns, Shorebirds, Warblers, Herons and Egrets, Geese and Ducks, Woodland and Grassland birds and others. I do stationary shots and lots of flight shots of all these species in there various habitats.

The two big R5 problems I have to deal with are, 1) rolling shutter during panning shots and, 2) IBIS wobble during handheld shots. I have had to discard many otherwise good clips because of one or the other
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I have found the R5 to have truly unbelievably poor image stabilization even when using lenses with IS like the 24-105L. My Fujis are rock solid even without Boost mode, and when combined with OIS, even better. Most of the time I would swear that my R5 doesn't actually have IBIS enabled even though it very clearly says it is. Not sure if I've missed a vital option in the settings or if it's just that bad. This isn't the first time I've seen other people say bad things about Canon IS/IBIS, but I'm a bit surprised given how hard they've tried to make products that are better than everything else on the market at their price point. The IBIS seems like a laughable fail (much to my dismay).



Sep 20, 2023 at 07:29 PM
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artsupreme wrote:
I've shot a bunch of 4K HQ and 4K120 but I'm thinking of dabbling into some 8K RAW which will give the ability to crop and stabilize in post. Is there a reason why you don't shoot in 8K RAW or RAW light? Is it because of card space or heating issues?


My PC, which is only 1 year old and was tailored to do 4K video and not 8K. It breezes through 4K files easily but really struggles with 8K files so I don't shoot in 8K.


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Sep 20, 2023 at 07:36 PM
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marsguy wrote:
I have found the R5 to have truly unbelievably poor image stabilization even when using lenses with IS like the 24-105L. My Fujis are rock solid even without Boost mode, and when combined with OIS, even better. Most of the time I would swear that my R5 doesn't actually have IBIS enabled even though it very clearly says it is. Not sure if I've missed a vital option in the settings or if it's just that bad. This isn't the first time I've seen other people say bad things about Canon IS/IBIS, but I'm a bit surprised given how hard
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I know what you mean. If it wasn't for the amazing capabilities of digital stabilization in Davinci Resolve, I probably would have packed it in with the R5 for video by now.

The news gets even worse when shooting video with an R5 on a tripod when using the RF100-500 lens. After 10 seconds the lens detects that it's on a tripod and shuts off the IS which in turn shuts of the IBIS. Your rig is now left without any stabilization at all and the minute you touch the camera to make any kind of adjustment or movement, the image shakes like it's in an earthquake. Very bad and happens all the time. Thankfully Davinci Resolve's "Classic Stabilization" method makes this kind of footage rock solid like its on a locked down tripod. DR saves the day again.






Sep 20, 2023 at 07:44 PM
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Rudy Pohl wrote:
My PC, which is only 1 year old and was tailored to do 4K video and not 8K. It breezes through 4K files easily but really struggles with 8K files so I don't shoot in 8K.


I hear you. But putting editing aside I don't see anything but benefits to shooting in 8K as it allows you to stabilize in post. This guy has a technique that eliminates the huge 8K files:

https://youtu.be/rtp3-YMk4mg



Sep 20, 2023 at 09:53 PM
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Rudy Pohl wrote:
I know what you mean. If it wasn't for the amazing capabilities of digital stabilization in Davinci Resolve, I probably would have packed it in with the R5 for video by now.

The news gets even worse when shooting video with an R5 on a tripod when using the RF100-500 lens. After 10 seconds the lens detects that it's on a tripod and shuts off the IS which in turn shuts of the IBIS. Your rig is now left without any stabilization at all and the minute you touch the camera to make any kind of adjustment or movement,
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I just tried the 100-500 over the weekend for the first time, both stills and some video. One thing that turned me off a bit is that the zoom ring had uneven resistance through its range, which pretty much made zooming by hand difficult to do smoothly for video. How do you deal with this, or do you just not zoom it? And yes, I had it set to the smoothest, least resistance setting.

Optically though, I was pretty impressed with it. It seemed at least as good/sharp as my 200-400.

tomasr wrote:
40 fps is where it gets interesting. I personally find 20fps to be overkill, like I have to spend serious time picking The shot from like 60 frames. Imagine 1 out of 120. The good news is II can be customised and be set at less than 20fps while mk1 is stuck at either 1 or full 20. Curiously I have seen reviews claiming mk1 has a larger buffer and I can shoot a few good s to a fairly slow gen II SD card, whereas mkII just stops after 2s if that is correct. Anyway I am not a
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This risks further sidetracking the thread, but it's a rumor thread and going in circles anyway...

I've recently been using 40fps for sports more and it does actually make a difference, for the better, if you want/need more selection of a given moment. If a play is only half a second, that's about 10 extra frames compared to 20fps and 15 extra frames compared to 10fps. Yes, I'm shooting 2x more images at a game, but because focus is generally spot on, I just find relevant sequences and quickly scan thumbnails to pick best peak action and it's usually perfectly sharp. Compared to DSLRs I'm actually spending less time selecting images because I don't have to check each frame in a sequence to find those sharper than the rest.

Regarding buffer, I believe the R6 and R6II have identical buffer size but the R6II has a higher resolution sensor which means fewer images in the buffer before it fills. If there is one more thing I wish Canon had improved with the R6II, it's buffer size. 50% more would have been nice. 2x would have been great.

While the R6II might not compete against the a7IV in terms of sensor resolution, it blows it away if you want to shoot action in e-shutter (to take advantage of 20/40fps) because rolling shutter distortion is much less noticeable. With Sony I'd feel compelled to get into the a9 space, which perhaps a used a9 might not be that far off a new R6II... But the other 'problem' with Sony is they don't have the sports lens I find most useful (200-400/4 with internal 1.4x TC).

Before 'settling' on the R6II, I also demoed the R5 at sports events and while the higher resolution was nice, I felt that it also required a lot better technique to benefit from it. And that's just difficult to do under less than ideal circumstances. Often working at higher ISOs also robs some resolution, micro motion blur, camera shake, etc. But if an R5II brings similar improvements to that of the R6II, plus maybe a few more, it would be a compelling camera and I could still live with it if not stacked sensor.



Sep 20, 2023 at 09:57 PM
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