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Rudy Pohl wrote:
90% of my time with my R5 + RF100-500 combo is spent doing high-resolution wildlife videos (4KHQ and 4K120p). I do mostly birds including Hummingbirds, Snowy Owls, Ospreys, Terns, Shorebirds, Warblers, Herons and Egrets, Geese and Ducks, Woodland and Grassland birds and others. I do stationary shots and lots of flight shots of all these species in there various habitats.

The two big R5 problems I have to deal with are, 1) rolling shutter during panning shots and, 2) IBIS wobble during handheld shots. I have had to discard many otherwise good clips because of one or the other
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I have found the R5 to have truly unbelievably poor image stabilization even when using lenses with IS like the 24-105L. My Fujis are rock solid even without Boost mode, and when combined with OIS, even better. Most of the time I would swear that my R5 doesn't actually have IBIS enabled even though it very clearly says it is. Not sure if I've missed a vital option in the settings or if it's just that bad. This isn't the first time I've seen other people say bad things about Canon IS/IBIS, but I'm a bit surprised given how hard they've tried to make products that are better than everything else on the market at their price point. The IBIS seems like a laughable fail (much to my dismay).



Sep 20, 2023 at 06:29 PM
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artsupreme wrote:
I've shot a bunch of 4K HQ and 4K120 but I'm thinking of dabbling into some 8K RAW which will give the ability to crop and stabilize in post. Is there a reason why you don't shoot in 8K RAW or RAW light? Is it because of card space or heating issues?


My PC, which is only 1 year old and was tailored to do 4K video and not 8K. It breezes through 4K files easily but really struggles with 8K files so I don't shoot in 8K.


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Sep 20, 2023 at 06:36 PM
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marsguy wrote:
I have found the R5 to have truly unbelievably poor image stabilization even when using lenses with IS like the 24-105L. My Fujis are rock solid even without Boost mode, and when combined with OIS, even better. Most of the time I would swear that my R5 doesn't actually have IBIS enabled even though it very clearly says it is. Not sure if I've missed a vital option in the settings or if it's just that bad. This isn't the first time I've seen other people say bad things about Canon IS/IBIS, but I'm a bit surprised given how hard
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I know what you mean. If it wasn't for the amazing capabilities of digital stabilization in Davinci Resolve, I probably would have packed it in with the R5 for video by now.

The news gets even worse when shooting video with an R5 on a tripod when using the RF100-500 lens. After 10 seconds the lens detects that it's on a tripod and shuts off the IS which in turn shuts of the IBIS. Your rig is now left without any stabilization at all and the minute you touch the camera to make any kind of adjustment or movement, the image shakes like it's in an earthquake. Very bad and happens all the time. Thankfully Davinci Resolve's "Classic Stabilization" method makes this kind of footage rock solid like its on a locked down tripod. DR saves the day again.






Sep 20, 2023 at 06:44 PM
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Rudy Pohl wrote:
My PC, which is only 1 year old and was tailored to do 4K video and not 8K. It breezes through 4K files easily but really struggles with 8K files so I don't shoot in 8K.


I hear you. But putting editing aside I don't see anything but benefits to shooting in 8K as it allows you to stabilize in post. This guy has a technique that eliminates the huge 8K files:

https://youtu.be/rtp3-YMk4mg



Sep 20, 2023 at 08:53 PM
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Rudy Pohl wrote:
I know what you mean. If it wasn't for the amazing capabilities of digital stabilization in Davinci Resolve, I probably would have packed it in with the R5 for video by now.

The news gets even worse when shooting video with an R5 on a tripod when using the RF100-500 lens. After 10 seconds the lens detects that it's on a tripod and shuts off the IS which in turn shuts of the IBIS. Your rig is now left without any stabilization at all and the minute you touch the camera to make any kind of adjustment or movement,
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I just tried the 100-500 over the weekend for the first time, both stills and some video. One thing that turned me off a bit is that the zoom ring had uneven resistance through its range, which pretty much made zooming by hand difficult to do smoothly for video. How do you deal with this, or do you just not zoom it? And yes, I had it set to the smoothest, least resistance setting.

Optically though, I was pretty impressed with it. It seemed at least as good/sharp as my 200-400.

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40 fps is where it gets interesting. I personally find 20fps to be overkill, like I have to spend serious time picking The shot from like 60 frames. Imagine 1 out of 120. The good news is II can be customised and be set at less than 20fps while mk1 is stuck at either 1 or full 20. Curiously I have seen reviews claiming mk1 has a larger buffer and I can shoot a few good s to a fairly slow gen II SD card, whereas mkII just stops after 2s if that is correct. Anyway I am not a
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This risks further sidetracking the thread, but it's a rumor thread and going in circles anyway...

I've recently been using 40fps for sports more and it does actually make a difference, for the better, if you want/need more selection of a given moment. If a play is only half a second, that's about 10 extra frames compared to 20fps and 15 extra frames compared to 10fps. Yes, I'm shooting 2x more images at a game, but because focus is generally spot on, I just find relevant sequences and quickly scan thumbnails to pick best peak action and it's usually perfectly sharp. Compared to DSLRs I'm actually spending less time selecting images because I don't have to check each frame in a sequence to find those sharper than the rest.

Regarding buffer, I believe the R6 and R6II have identical buffer size but the R6II has a higher resolution sensor which means fewer images in the buffer before it fills. If there is one more thing I wish Canon had improved with the R6II, it's buffer size. 50% more would have been nice. 2x would have been great.

While the R6II might not compete against the a7IV in terms of sensor resolution, it blows it away if you want to shoot action in e-shutter (to take advantage of 20/40fps) because rolling shutter distortion is much less noticeable. With Sony I'd feel compelled to get into the a9 space, which perhaps a used a9 might not be that far off a new R6II... But the other 'problem' with Sony is they don't have the sports lens I find most useful (200-400/4 with internal 1.4x TC).

Before 'settling' on the R6II, I also demoed the R5 at sports events and while the higher resolution was nice, I felt that it also required a lot better technique to benefit from it. And that's just difficult to do under less than ideal circumstances. Often working at higher ISOs also robs some resolution, micro motion blur, camera shake, etc. But if an R5II brings similar improvements to that of the R6II, plus maybe a few more, it would be a compelling camera and I could still live with it if not stacked sensor.



Sep 20, 2023 at 08:57 PM
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I just tried the 100-500 over the weekend for the first time, both stills and some video. One thing that turned me off a bit is that the zoom ring had uneven resistance through its range, which pretty much made zooming by hand difficult to do smoothly for video. How do you deal with this, or do you just not zoom it? And yes, I had it set to the smoothest, least resistance setting.



I hear you.

I film a lot and as you know I had the 200-400, manual zooming was doable but not great so for zooming while filming I was using a Tilta Nucleus Nano with good success. A bit of a pita to setup it up but once done was working fine. The 200-400 was too heavy to film handheld for me so other than rare cases that was the setup.

I moved to the 100-500 and for horses competitions on tripod I tried the Tilta Nucleus Nano and it was not powerful enough to zoom, some time worked some time not, so I sold it. I moved to a Tilta manual follow focus with an optional larger gear. It worked better but still not as good as the 200-400 with the Nano.
For MTB and Freeride I mostly handled and manually zoom, I try to zoom only when I really need it and I twist my arm to the max to be able to cover the whole range, zoom on the more loose setting. I developed an ok technique and with some stabilization in post I get good result. As I ski down or MTB down with its limitation the 100-500 is still the best option.

Now I have also the 100-300 and that one is just great to zoom by hand while filming. I can do it also while handholding. This is in slow motion so it smooths things out but is handheld while zooming (zero post stabilization, just IS as it is on a R5c):



Bottomline I now use the 100-500 only for MTB or Ski Freeride when I cannot carry the 100-300...

This sequence is 100-500 handled manual zooming zero post stabilization from 0:33 to 0:58:



I'm torn if to try out the new Nucleus Nano II that should be stronger on both 100-300 and 100-500 but I'm not sure yet. What I hate is the setup, calibration, putting the gears on the lens, more battery to charge et...

Wish Canon would put zoom motors in the lens and all these issues will magically go away. They have cine servo lenses but super expensive and not all of them have AF and/or FF coverage and very heavy.



Sep 21, 2023 at 10:24 AM
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Your Mountain bike video is simply stunning! Well done!! I watched your Africa video as well, just fabulous!! How were you able to follow the animals as they walked? Are you in a vehicle filming while someone else is driving? Once again, WOW!
Rudy



Sep 21, 2023 at 11:22 AM
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The deciding factor for me is buffer and write speed. I've adapted my shooting bursts to allow for the buffer to clear, and learned to "lean into it" when it comes to the rolling shutter (see attached image), but I can't pretend it doesn't bother me. If the R5II deals with that issue, then it comes down to how long until the R1 comes out, and will it's feature set benefit me more?







Sep 22, 2023 at 01:03 AM
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Doppler9000 wrote:
The Fuji GFX 100II is a significant upgrade on the 100, and has a 25% lower list price.


Has Canon produced any newer models of anything in the last 10 years that were cheaper?

If not, why is anyone expecting things to be different now?



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Rudy Pohl wrote:
Your Mountain bike video is simply stunning! Well done!! I watched your Africa video as well, just fabulous!! How were you able to follow the animals as they walked? Are you in a vehicle filming while someone else is driving? Once again, WOW!
Rudy


Thanks for the kind words.

For the Africa video yes is a coordination between me holding and operating the gimbal with a 70-200 and the driver. My driver was great, for him honestly it was a nightmare, as he needs to watch the off road path for holes, trees, etc. and in parallel watch the animal that we are tracking all by going at a constant speed. He even has to make sure that I donít get it by a tree by standing out of the jeep. We punctured 3 tires in 7 days.
The first day it was a disaster but by reviewing the video at lunch time and late in the evening we improved things every day and by the 3 day it was almost natural with way less hiccups.

Some scenes you have only 1 opportunity like the long lion walk at sunsetÖ we waited 2h in the right position hoping that he would get up and move, and not take directly the bush, but walk for a while on the open plain. He did it at the right time and we operated well, knowing that it would be that long I would have started more on the back go in parallel and then more in front, but you have only one chance. Scene at 6:53

For my preferred scene the orbit around the lions mating it was much easier as they mate every 10-15 min and they repeated quite the same moves so we had a total of 7 takes with the 5th being the best. The only issue it was middle of the day so the light was not spectacular.
We were also alone so no other jeeps that come into the scene and we with the engine on disturbing others (I dream the days that they will be all electric). Scene at 1:08







Sep 22, 2023 at 07:18 AM
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action99 wrote:
Thanks for the kind words.

For the Africa video yes is a coordination between me holding and operating the gimbal with a 70-200 and the driver. My driver was great, for him honestly it was a nightmare, as he needs to watch the off road path for holes, trees, etc. and in parallel watch the animal that we are tracking all by going at a constant speed. He even has to make sure that I donít get it by a tree by standing out of the jeep. We punctured 3 tires in 7 days.
The first day it was a disaster
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Great camera work and great editing. Did you use AF animal tracking or MF for the tracking cheetah and lion shots?



Sep 22, 2023 at 09:12 AM
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artsupreme wrote:
Great camera work and great editing. Did you use AF animal tracking or MF for the tracking cheetah and lion shots?


R5c does not have Animal tracking.

All the lions tracking shoots are all done with AF, mostly at F2.8 and mostly whole area AF, one good thing about the R5c that you can have peaking enabled while in AF so I can bump the AF if I see that is not right....

Most of the Cheetahs tracking like the one at 2:04 are also AF (same as above) and is incredible that the camara can track it with such vegetation.
The one at 1:00 is manual fixed AF, F11 no ND if I recall correctly.





Sep 24, 2023 at 10:31 AM
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Simon Barker wrote:
Has Canon produced any newer models of anything in the last 10 years that were cheaper? If not, why is anyone expecting things to be different now?


Competition?

The Z8 leapfrogged the R5, which is getting long in the tooth. We are likely to see a Nikon Z7 III as well as Sony A1 II and A9 III cameras in the next few months. Unit sales are on a downward trajectory, and competition is getting tighter and tighter. The future isnít always just like the past.



Oct 06, 2023 at 10:10 AM
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Personally I think/hope Canon would release a R5 Mk II as soon as possible. They have been heavily discounting the R5 for a long time now, and they have had 3 years innovate, design, engineer, etc. Sony has introduced AI-chip in several models and release v2 of many of their lenses. Nikon has largely caught up on the body side while releasing an impressive amount of sport/wildlife lenses.

We all know Canon will release something worthwhile and impressive, but why on earth wait so long?



Oct 18, 2023 at 04:32 PM
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patotts wrote:
We all know Canon will release something worthwhile and impressive, but why on earth wait so long?


Chip availability is a main factor I would imagine.




Oct 19, 2023 at 12:43 AM
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https://www.cnbc.com/2023/10/13/canon-launches-asml-challenge-with-machine-to-make-most-advanced-chips.html Canon is investing in building their own semi-conductors. It will be years before we see the benefits of those efforts.


Oct 19, 2023 at 06:33 AM
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Sounds more like they will market those to chip fabs, though certainly they could also use them for in-house products.


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