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tanikon58
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p.1 #1 · p.1 #1 · Canon R5 II

I have heard a rumor will be introduced in the early 2024 to the consumers but it has not mentioned the sale price yet? I would snap one of the first batch since the back order after the first one will take longer than expected.
Does anyone know the same price? Perhaps in the range of $3500-$4000 or more? Thank you

Sep 10, 2023 at 03:09 PM

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p.1 #2 · p.1 #2 · Canon R5 II

Hopefully the backorder won't be as bad this time around since the R5 launched during covid when everything was backordered.

Sep 10, 2023 at 03:27 PM

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p.1 #3 · p.1 #3 · Canon R5 II

The R5 was a replacement for many DSLRs. The R5 II will naturally be a lesser upgrade and fewer people should feel the need to buy them initially. How well Canon manages the launch allocations is another issue.

EBH

Sep 10, 2023 at 04:48 PM

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p.1 #4 · p.1 #4 · Canon R5 II

And a lot of us holding out for a 1 series...

Sep 10, 2023 at 04:50 PM

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p.1 #5 · p.1 #5 · Canon R5 II

Why would anyone know the price when Canon has not even officially announced the camera?

Sep 10, 2023 at 05:53 PM

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p.1 #6 · p.1 #6 · Canon R5 II

No one can really "know" the price of a future, unannounced camera. However, you can make some educated guesses about what realistic expectations might be.

For example, it would be a huge surprise if its list price was lower than that of the R5 list price. More likely, based on how things have gone in the past with similar introductions, it is likely to be listed somewhere between the same price of its predecessor and perhaps $500 higher or so.

At the same time, it matters what competitors are doing with their prices on similarly positioned cameras. (In this case, that would be their highest MP camera.) The price deltas among similar models from different brands tend to not be all that great, though the newest thing can often be a bit higher than the older things from other manufacturers.

What about the price of the R5 as a new rumored R5II is announced and then released? There will be a lot of factors depressing the prices of the R5 at that point. There are a lot of R5 units out there now, so the number of used copies continues to increase, exerting downward price pressure on the market for used and new copies. In addition, some number of people will start to sell off their R5 bodies in anticipation of the R5I — not a huge number, but it is enough to make a difference.

This means that there will undoubtedly be some real deals on the R5 leading up to a R5II announcement and for some time after it arrives and until the old R5 stock is gone. You may see bundle deals with the R5 and lenses, for example. At the very end you might even see some blow-out prices, though that's not a sure thing.

As to the back-order issue, how to think about that really depends on you and your circumstances. If you _need_ the R5II right away, you'd probably consider paying a premium to pre-order one as soon as possible... and take the risk (small, but there) that early copies could have some issues that didn't get caught during beta testing.

If you just need a good, competent camera right away... why wait?The R5 is a fine camera and it will meet the needs (and exceed them in many cases) of most photographers who have one. If possible, look for a deal — a bundle or perhaps a good price on a used copy.

If you think you'd like the R5II (whatever it turns out to be and whenever it arrives), then you might consider patience. How big of a problem would it be to wait a few months after its introduction? For most people, it isn't a problem.

And, as in my parenthetical above, we don't really know what its features will be, when it is coming or even if it is coming... so there's bound to be a great deal of uncertainty that can't be resolved at this point.

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Sep 10, 2023 at 06:46 PM

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p.1 #7 · p.1 #7 · Canon R5 II

Ah, rumors! I remember all the rumors about the big R5 firmware update.

Sep 10, 2023 at 07:53 PM

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p.1 #8 · p.1 #8 · Canon R5 II

Remember that Psycho-1 guy rumors?

EBH

Sep 10, 2023 at 08:22 PM

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p.1 #9 · p.1 #9 · Canon R5 II

Thank you for all your inputs. Even though it is rumor but who knows it will be existing.
https://youtu.be/2R6vQjIZ8E0?si=6A2iFjoj2j9-iAHy

Sep 11, 2023 at 05:55 AM

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p.1 #10 · p.1 #10 · Canon R5 II

Sep 11, 2023 at 06:53 AM

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p.1 #11 · p.1 #11 · Canon R5 II

EB-1 wrote:
The R5 was a replacement for many DSLRs. The R5 II will naturally be a lesser upgrade and fewer people should feel the need to buy them initially. How well Canon manages the launch allocations is another issue.

EBH

Agree 100%. Those who expect a transformative camera in the release of the R5II will likely be disappointed. In the history of Canon's digital cameras, I can't recall a single mark II or subsequent release to be groundbreaking. Rather, versions tend to include incremental improvements (think 1d, 1dmkii, 1dmkiii, etc., 7d, 7dmkii, 6d, 6dmkii, etc.). Will they include a BIS? I don't think so, rather, I suspect a similar sized sensor with improved read out speed to reduce RS and black out, variable FPS ES, improved AF, and a couple of tweaks. Obviously, these are all speculations but I think they are reasonable based on prior experience. Pricing, probably around that of the original R5.

Now, the R1... that will be interesting.

Sep 11, 2023 at 11:22 AM

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p.1 #12 · p.1 #12 · Canon R5 II

armd wrote:
Agree 100%. Those who expect a transformative camera in the release of the R5II will likely be disappointed. In the history of Canon's digital cameras, I can't recall a single mark II or subsequent release to be groundbreaking. Rather, versions tend to include incremental improvements (think 1d, 1dmkii, 1dmkiii, etc., 7d, 7dmkii, 6d, 6dmkii, etc.). Will they include a BIS? I don't think so, rather, I suspect a similar sized sensor with improved read out speed to reduce RS and black out, variable FPS ES, improved AF, and a couple of tweaks. Obviously, these are all speculations but I think...Show more →

I recall the 5DMkII being a big deal, bringing full frame 1080p video to the lineup, nearly doubling the megapickles, and introducing truly high ISO levels. Of course it couldn't AF in video and kept the same antiquated single AF point (effectively) from the 5D. I skipped it because I had no interest in video at the time and wanted better AF more than I wanted more resolution, but for many, it was a huge upgrade.

Sep 11, 2023 at 11:41 AM

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p.1 #13 · p.1 #13 · Canon R5 II

I'm not expecting a transformative camera with the R5II based on the R5 being so good already. The R5 is really holding it's own for how old it is. All it really needs IMO is improved readout speed and I think Canon can do it without a stacked sensor. If they get readout speed fast enough to eliminate a lot of the weeble-wobble then they can price it below the Z8 and people won't make the stacked sensor comparison.

All the other improvements would be the normal incremental improvements of a new body. I see a lot of people wanting the fake shutter sound, wanting more choices for fps, less overheating, and a few other minor things. As for AF, it's already so good i don't really care what happens there, but it will obviously improve a bit.

It would be fun if people made their predictions in this thread but I realize only a few are willing to do so. Here's mine:

R5II - same 45MP sensor with slight improvements in IQ and decent improvement in readout speed (closing the gap to stacked sensor). Slightly upgraded AF system, fake shutter sound, staying at 20fps with nice buffer, same body/card slots with the power switch moved. Incremental Video improvements with less overheating.
Price: $3499

The price is tough to predict because it's likely Canon will price it higher. But if they do, then IMO it will be too close to the Z8 and the stacked sensor comparison war will be beat to death.

The other scenarios are that Canon actually does deliver a stacked sensor in the R5II or increases the MP with an R1 level (MP) sensor in the R5II.

Sep 11, 2023 at 12:00 PM

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p.1 #14 · p.1 #14 · Canon R5 II

Probably $3900, the 5DsR at that price as late as Christmas 2019 at least, r5 is there today

Looks like bh has r5 open box $3300 if anyone is interested or + 24-105/4 L $3999 ($1k coupon in cart.) So you basically get the 24 105 /4 for $100

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Sep 11, 2023 at 12:12 PM

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p.1 #15 · p.1 #15 · Canon R5 II

AmbientMike wrote:
Probably $3900, the 5DsR at that price as late as Christmas 2019 at least, r5 is there today

Looks like bh has r5 open box $3300 if anyone is interested

I agree it could likely be $3899 but if it doesn't have a stacked sensor people like you aren't going to like the constant bashing "for $100 more you can get a stacked sensor in the Z8", etc etc. which btw does affect sales from youtube comparisons. I think they can avoid that if they price it just far enough away.

Sep 11, 2023 at 12:18 PM

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p.1 #16 · p.1 #16 · Canon R5 II

artsupreme wrote:
I agree it could likely be $3899 but if it doesn't have a stacked sensor people like you aren't going to like the constant bashing "for $100 more you can get a stacked sensor in the Z8", etc etc. which btw does affect sales from youtube comparisons. I think they can avoid that if they price it just far enough away.

That's been the price they've been at, even now, so I don't see them pricing a later model lower.

"People like you?" Yes I'm sure people like you would complain. I'm not sure how much difference a stacked sensor makes given the R5 speed

Sep 11, 2023 at 12:23 PM

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p.1 #17 · p.1 #17 · Canon R5 II

AmbientMike wrote:
That's been the price they've been at, even now, so I don't see them pricing a later model lower.

"People like you?" Yes I'm sure people like you would complain. I'm not sure how much difference a stacked sensor makes given the R5 speed

I say people like you because you get super defensive over canon gear. They are just tools to me and I don't have a problem when someone compares or complains about the gear I own.

Sep 11, 2023 at 12:26 PM

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p.1 #18 · p.1 #18 · Canon R5 II

artsupreme wrote:
I'm not expecting a transformative camera with the R5II based on the R5 being so good already. The R5 is really holding it's own for how old it is. All it really needs IMO is improved readout speed and I think Canon can do it without a stacked sensor. If they get readout speed fast enough to eliminate a lot of the weeble-wobble then they can price it below the Z8 and people won't make the stacked sensor comparison.

All the other improvements would be the normal incremental improvements of a new body. I see a lot of people wanting...Show more →

Here's my take on R5 II:
Stacked sensor - highly unlikely (probably a refined old sensor) - 1/3 stop better in high ISO noise.
Price - between $3,899 to $4,299 - based on the non-stacked sensor.
AF - match or better than R3 without eye focusing
New AF/AI module - likely
Shutter sound - highly likely
Perhaps Canon will give us 30fps
More options on fps - Highly unlikely
Buffer - probably will suffer the same as OG
Video - maybe better heat sink, 60 mins recording limit perhaps? 8K 60fps maybe.... 4K 240fps - unlikely.
1 slot CF Express that may take 4.0 module
1 slot SD card UHS-II

Sep 11, 2023 at 01:24 PM

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p.1 #19 · p.1 #19 · Canon R5 II

artsupreme wrote:
I say people like you because you get super defensive over canon gear. They are just tools to me and I don't have a problem when someone compares or complains about the gear I own.

You complain about Canon on the Canon board, and I'll point out the complete lack of superteles of one certain "other" brand.

So now it's "people like you" & "super defensive" for not putting up with some of the senseless running down of Canon on the Canon board, some being obviously false?

Sep 11, 2023 at 01:29 PM

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p.1 #20 · p.1 #20 · Canon R5 II

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Agree 100%. Those who expect a transformative camera in the release of the R5II will likely be disappointed...

On the other hand, some of us realized that a "transformative camera" like the R5, as good as it is, wasn't going to fundamentally change our photography, so we continued using what we used before, waiting for an actually "need" to upgrade and to see how things would shake out.

Some in this category — like me — who continued to use prior DSLRs may (we'll see) find that the time is now ripe to move to the R5 successor.

Also, Fwiw, I think that sticking with a 45MP sensor would be seen as "falling behind" at this point — against the backdrop of other manufacturers who have already move to higher resolution sensors, the fact that the 5Ds/5DsR already have 50 MP, and that it would make no increase in resolution beyond the 45MP R5.

I understand that there is an argument that "45MP is plenty," but that doesn't hold up so well in the broader marketplace. (For may part, as a person who does do photography in which resolution is not irrelevant, a 45MP R5II would strengthen my current thinking, namely that the switch to Canon mirrorless and new RF lenses provides me with a fine opportunity to consider non-Canon options, something I would not have done if EF lenses were still the norm. Instead of just looking at Canon at that point, I'd be more inclined to throw other options into the mix — Sony's maturing system, possibly the Fujifilm miniMF system, etc.)

YMMV.

Sep 11, 2023 at 01:30 PM

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