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randomguy wrote:
Rumors are the Canon R5 II will have stacked sensors. I hope this is true because I think only pressure from the competition will make Sony put stacked sensors in cheaper cameras. If not we may have BSI sensors and 10FPS or less slideshow view during burst shooting in professional priced cameras in 2030.

Other than the A1 I am not happy with Sony at the moment, and even that is overpriced seeing how much cheaper the Z8 is. Probably gives a good idea what kind of profit margins they have on the A1.

Really depends on what one shoots. The A7R5 is one hell of a camera for everything other than fast moving subjects. The newly released A7c(r) are amazing travel cameras with the best AF in the industry.

Heck, you can still pick up a new A7R3 for $2000...probably the best camera in that price range.

Sep 07, 2023 at 11:52 AM

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p.2 #2 · p.2 #2 · Sony: a stacked-sensor camera w/ hi-rez, moderate-size/price

GMPhotography wrote:
Hello and exactly my bitch. I sell 30 grand a year in images about 40 thousand of them ALL under LED
Lighting so without a stacked sensor and e shutter I have to depend on full mechanical shutter to get this done . So my bitch about it is my livelihood. So that’s where I’m coming from but no one gets that part of the issue with cameras that are coming out without full mechanical shutters.

I’m out of this as I’m on vacation but this hits my bank account. I’m doing fine with my A7RV but it’s work. There...Show more →

Used A9? Dirt cheap.

Sep 07, 2023 at 12:00 PM

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p.2 #3 · p.2 #3 · Sony: a stacked-sensor camera w/ hi-rez, moderate-size/price

randomguy wrote:
Rumors are the Canon R5 II will have stacked sensors. I hope this is true because I think only pressure from the competition will make Sony put stacked sensors in cheaper cameras. If not we may have BSI sensors and 10FPS or less slideshow view during burst shooting in professional priced cameras in 2030.

Other than the A1 I am not happy with Sony at the moment, and even that is overpriced seeing how much cheaper the Z8 is. Probably gives a good idea what kind of profit margins they have on the A1.

The Z8 is NOT an A1. Not even close.

Eventually Sony will make lower priced stacked sensor cameras as the price of the chips comes down.

Sep 07, 2023 at 12:04 PM

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p.2 #4 · p.2 #4 · Sony: a stacked-sensor camera w/ hi-rez, moderate-size/price

Been there done that with A9 and A9II simply not enough mpx in crop mode. Had the A1 too and AF would not stick very well . A7RV is perfect AF but e shutter is not the best. Cost is never an issue, I’m a working Pro and this where the money is made.

Sep 07, 2023 at 12:04 PM

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p.2 #5 · p.2 #5 · Sony: a stacked-sensor camera w/ hi-rez, moderate-size/price

What are you shooting that an A1 won’t autofocus on?

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Been there done that with A9 and A9II simply not enough mpx in crop mode. Had the A1 too and AF would not stick very well . A7RV is perfect AF but e shutter is not the best. Cost is never an issue, I’m a working Pro and this where the money is made.

Sep 07, 2023 at 12:11 PM

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p.2 #6 · p.2 #6 · Sony: a stacked-sensor camera w/ hi-rez, moderate-size/price

Models on runway. They turn it don’t follow the A7RV does.

Sep 07, 2023 at 12:34 PM

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p.2 #7 · p.2 #7 · Sony: a stacked-sensor camera w/ hi-rez, moderate-size/price

Explain later on vacation

Sep 07, 2023 at 12:35 PM

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p.2 #8 · p.2 #8 · Sony: a stacked-sensor camera w/ hi-rez, moderate-size/price

I think it is possible that Sony will up the resolution on the A93 to 35-40 mpix with a stacked sensor. But they will probably also bulk up the body because it is used by sports shooters who use the big lenses. Be nice if they would handle the need some have for a large camera by the addition of a battery pack or other add-on piece instead of by making the body larger than it needs to be for most other people.

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Sep 07, 2023 at 12:37 PM

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p.2 #9 · p.2 #9 · Sony: a stacked-sensor camera w/ hi-rez, moderate-size/price

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The Z8 is NOT an A1. Not even close.

Eventually Sony will make lower priced stacked sensor cameras as the price of the chips comes down.

As something who has gotten to use a Z8 at the same time as my A1.... this is a big overstatement. They are incredibly close to each other in performance.

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Sep 07, 2023 at 01:25 PM

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p.2 #10 · p.2 #10 · Sony: a stacked-sensor camera w/ hi-rez, moderate-size/price

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As something who has gotten to use a Z8 at the same time as my A1.... this is a big overstatement. They are incredibly close to each other in performance.

They might be close in some ways. But the Z8 is ENORMOUS. And I'm a huge Nikon fan. But the AF is not the same, it lacks the customizable buttons and it weighs almost as much as a D850. I love what Nikon is doing lately but I'm not carrying around a tank in the field. No thanks.

Sep 07, 2023 at 02:16 PM

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p.2 #11 · p.2 #11 · Sony: a stacked-sensor camera w/ hi-rez, moderate-size/price

maestrofilms wrote:
I'm going to say this is a bit of an overstatement too. When someone turns around the focus doesn't just go haywire. It usually stays on the head or body. Maybe we set up focus differently.

I have to agree. One of the things that Sony does better than anyone is people. I suspect some of the issues are due to settings. The A1 has the most advanced version of real time tracking. I'm sure the A7RV is killer but not having a stacked sensor makes a huge difference.

Sep 07, 2023 at 02:19 PM

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p.2 #12 · p.2 #12 · Sony: a stacked-sensor camera w/ hi-rez, moderate-size/price

The next two Sony stacked-sensor bodies will be the A93 and the A2. I have a sinking feeling about them because I think they will both be large-body cameras. The A7RV is even larger than the A1, so that seems to be the direction in which Sony is moving.

On the other hand, they did just intro three new compact sized bodies in the A7Cxx series and the a6700.

Is there any hope for the A7V having a stacked sensor and a smaller body? Seems unlikely.

All of these considerations make my A9 even more precious to me. I realized a few weeks ago that because of the difference in size, weight, and handiness, that I preferred shooting with my A9 rather than my A1. At that point, I decided to sell my A1.

Sep 07, 2023 at 02:28 PM

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p.2 #13 · p.2 #13 · Sony: a stacked-sensor camera w/ hi-rez, moderate-size/price

Well, I spent some time with it, and I did find the autofocus to be largely the same.

Can't argue about it being larger.

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They might be close in some ways. But the Z8 is ENORMOUS. And I'm a huge Nikon fan. But the AF is not the same, it lacks the customizable buttons and it weighs almost as much as a D850. I love what Nikon is doing lately but I'm not carrying around a tank in the field. No thanks.

Sep 07, 2023 at 02:45 PM

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p.2 #14 · p.2 #14 · Sony: a stacked-sensor camera w/ hi-rez, moderate-size/price

randomguy wrote:
Rumors are the Canon R5 II will have stacked sensors. I hope this is true because I think only pressure from the competition will make Sony put stacked sensors in cheaper cameras. If not we may have BSI sensors and 10FPS or less slideshow view during burst shooting in professional priced cameras in 2030.

Other than the A1 I am not happy with Sony at the moment, and even that is overpriced seeing how much cheaper the Z8 is. Probably gives a good idea what kind of profit margins they have on the A1.

If the R5II has a stacked sensor, it’s certainly going to get a price increase and will be well into a9 territory. The $2100 difference between the R3 and R5 isn’t just from the bigger body, that sensor certainly contributes to the gap.

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Sep 07, 2023 at 02:52 PM

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p.2 #15 · p.2 #15 · Sony: a stacked-sensor camera w/ hi-rez, moderate-size/price

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... and no option to use a mechanical shutter when there's no other solution to the lighting problem.
It has Nikon's equivalent of Variable Shutter -> High-Frequency Flicker Reduction.
Besides, A1 also doesn't have (full) mechanical shutter...

Sep 07, 2023 at 03:22 PM

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p.2 #16 · p.2 #16 · Sony: a stacked-sensor camera w/ hi-rez, moderate-size/price

j4nu wrote:
It has Nikon's equivalet of Variable Shutter -> High-Frequency Flicker Reduction.
Besides, A1 also doesn't have (full) mechanical shutter...

That is true, isn't it? It's EFCS only too.

Sep 07, 2023 at 03:24 PM

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p.2 #17 · p.2 #17 · Sony: a stacked-sensor camera w/ hi-rez, moderate-size/price

A lot of this is off-topic. Please stay on topic.

Sep 07, 2023 at 03:59 PM

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p.2 #18 · p.2 #18 · Sony: a stacked-sensor camera w/ hi-rez, moderate-size/price

What I’m on topic . Sony is making a mistake and I’m pissed that my availability of product just went South and what your asking falls directly in line with this but I got a big mouth and I’m going to say it instead of hiding behind the curtain. We need another A7RV with a stacked sensor and we will never see it in our lifetime. That’s an issue I have as I could use it to make money. None of you have to worry about this stuff you will buy anything they sell you. Most Pros. Annoy buy off the rack stuff

Sep 07, 2023 at 04:07 PM

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p.2 #19 · p.2 #19 · Sony: a stacked-sensor camera w/ hi-rez, moderate-size/price

I agree there's utility for the quiet operation of an electronic shutter on a stacked sensor without the advanced AF and faster frame rates it also provides but unfortunately the current cost of the sensor makes the camera unmarketable if those other value-add features aren't also provided. So I think the only options are to 1) Find third-party silencer solutions to shoot quieter with EFCS on existing non-stacked sensor offerings, 2) Get by with the lower res of an A9, and/or 3) Wait for the price of stacked sensors to come down and become the norm.

Sep 07, 2023 at 04:09 PM

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p.2 #20 · p.2 #20 · Sony: a stacked-sensor camera w/ hi-rez, moderate-size/price

I literally have no idea what that means. I do know I’ve been shooting professionally since 1996. Nikon, Kodak, Canon, Nikon, Olympus, Nikon and now Sony. And the A1 is hands down the best autofocus I’ve ever seen. However it’s also very very complicated and has a learning curve.

I’m sure the A7RV is fantastic. But it’s a big overreach to say the A1 is no good. Like everything else each tool fits a different job. For bird photography I don’t think there’s a better camera on the market than the A1. Same with sports and news (unless you don’t need the high mp).

But I can’t speak to runway models because I’ve never done it. I hope you find what you’re looking for.

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What I’m on topic . Sony is making a mistake and I’m pissed that my availability of product just went South and what your asking falls directly in line with this but I got a big mouth and I’m going to say it instead of hiding behind the curtain. We need another A7RV with a stacked sensor and we will never see it in our lifetime. That’s an issue I have as I could use it to make money. None of you have to worry about this stuff you will buy anything they sell you. Most Pros. Annoy buy off...Show more →

Sep 07, 2023 at 04:13 PM

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