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20-70g vs 16-35pz for Spain and Italy

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p.1 #1 · p.1 #1 · 20-70g vs 16-35pz for Spain and Italy

I understand the lenses cover different ranges and that’s my question. Traveling Spain and Italy visiting their streets, allies and cathedrals among many other things, which range is better suited for the case?

Is 20mm wide enough? Or, 70mm reaches far enough for most cases? If I were to add a lens to pair with either options, which combo could be more versatile?

Sep 04, 2023 at 11:46 AM

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p.1 #2 · p.1 #2 · 20-70g vs 16-35pz for Spain and Italy

Only one lens forever?

Sep 04, 2023 at 12:02 PM

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p.1 #3 · p.1 #3 · 20-70g vs 16-35pz for Spain and Italy

I was just in both Spain and Italy and I had 12-24 and 35-150 with me. For the vastly majority of tourist areas I was at 12-24 but used the long end of the 35-150 when I did.

I’d say if that’s your choice and can only have one lens the 16-35 because you can crop a bit but you can’t ever get wider.

Sep 04, 2023 at 12:43 PM

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p.1 #4 · p.1 #4 · 20-70g vs 16-35pz for Spain and Italy

i would be inclined to take the 20-70 which should cover 90% of use cases in my opinion, and toss a small wide prime in the bag as well (sigma 17mm, voigt 15mm…)

Sep 04, 2023 at 12:48 PM

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p.1 #5 · p.1 #5 · 20-70g vs 16-35pz for Spain and Italy

No question I would at least want 16mm at the minimum in my bag. Im a huge fan of wide angles

Sep 04, 2023 at 12:51 PM

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p.1 #6 · p.1 #6 · 20-70g vs 16-35pz for Spain and Italy

aCuria wrote:
Only one lens forever?

I won’t say forever, but try to be one or two max in this case.

Sep 04, 2023 at 01:08 PM

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p.1 #7 · p.1 #7 · 20-70g vs 16-35pz for Spain and Italy

Younjulius wrote:
I won’t say forever, but try to be one or two max in this case.

If you could take two lenses I’d take the 20-70 as that range is where you will be at shooting outdoors and get a wide prime if you want to shoot indoor cathedrals.

Personally I would just take the 20-70 and photograph the details in the cathedrals rather than trying to capture the entire cathedral. Or just shoot multiple images and stitch. You’ll be spending way more time outside where the 20-70 will shine.

Sep 04, 2023 at 01:14 PM

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p.1 #8 · p.1 #8 · 20-70g vs 16-35pz for Spain and Italy

My first instinct would be the 16-35 because of narrow streets and buildings you would want to capture. However, you will miss some shots if 35 is your long end.

I would recommend the 20-70 and stitch for wider shots as needed. Zoom in to about 35 to do that to minimize distortion in the individual shots.

Sep 04, 2023 at 01:16 PM

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p.1 #9 · p.1 #9 · 20-70g vs 16-35pz for Spain and Italy

Take both my friend, they are so compact and travel friendly....you won´t regret it and will avoid finding yourself wondering all the time why the hell you decided to leave at home whichever you had left.

Spain and Italy are both amazing destinations, you'll find plenty of different stunning subjects to photograph so believe me, you'll be happy to have both lenses with you.

BTW if you go to Seville let me know and we can have a beer.

Cheers

Sep 04, 2023 at 01:19 PM

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p.1 #10 · p.1 #10 · 20-70g vs 16-35pz for Spain and Italy

Would I miss long ends beyond 70mm in those countries at lot?

My dilemma is around the usefulness of wider than 20mm and longer than 50mm and tele range. If the use is only a few times, I don’t mind, but I want to avoid the regrets of missing a bunch great shots.

Sep 04, 2023 at 02:15 PM

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p.1 #11 · p.1 #11 · 20-70g vs 16-35pz for Spain and Italy

Younjulius wrote:
Would I miss long ends beyond 70mm in those countries at lot?

My dilemma is around the usefulness of wider than 20mm and longer than 50mm and tele range. If the use is only a few times, I don’t mind, but I want to avoid the regrets of missing a bunch great shots.

My advice to you is not to worry about the shots you can’t get, but focus on the shots you can make, and make them the best you can. There will always be shots that you’ll miss no matter what or how much equipment you bring.

Sep 04, 2023 at 02:26 PM

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p.1 #12 · p.1 #12 · 20-70g vs 16-35pz for Spain and Italy

We all have different interests and preferences. I took only the old 16-50 kit lens on an NEX6 on our trip to Italy. So, it was "24-70." Extremely convenient, handy to stick under a jacket when it rained, light carrying up medieval bell towers, etc. I was more hampered on the long end than the wide.

Going wider, one can often stitch. You could be impacted by moving subject matter. But the NEX6 at 16 mp has rather limited crop space. Quite different than say the A7Riv or v at 61 mp. "Long" subjects that might be tougher? "Portraits," long views over or from the roofs or architectural details, etc.

If only taking one of those two, it would be the 20-70/4. 35mm would be too short, too often for me.

It's tough because that trip came after a trip to Washington, DC, and I only used a 12-24 and 16-70 aps-c on a dslr and the 70-300 just was taking up bag space and being heavy. subsequent to that trip I began using an 18-135on aps-c or 28-200 on ff as my primary "travel" approach, also usually carrying something wider but seldom using it.

Sep 04, 2023 at 04:46 PM

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p.1 #13 · p.1 #13 · 20-70g vs 16-35pz for Spain and Italy

Younjulius wrote:
I understand the lenses cover different ranges and that’s my question. Traveling Spain and Italy visiting their streets, allies and cathedrals among many other things, which range is better suited for the case?

Is 20mm wide enough? Or, 70mm reaches far enough for most cases? If I were to add a lens to pair with either options, which combo could be more versatile?

Would you consider a compact second lens? 16-35 plus say the Sigma 90.
That would give you 50 if needed (by cropping the 35) and get you out to 135 (by cropping the 90) and still be a very small package.

Sep 04, 2023 at 05:00 PM

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p.1 #14 · p.1 #14 · 20-70g vs 16-35pz for Spain and Italy

Younjulius wrote:
I won’t say forever, but try to be one or two max in this case.

If you are running 2 lenses, it’s better to use a wide + medium telephoto combination, for example:

16-35G or 16-35GMii
- 70-200/2.8 GMii
- 70-200/4 Gii
- Tamron 50-400
- maybe the future 70-180/2.8

12-24GM, 12-24G or 14-24
- 35-150
- 50-400

My preference is the 70-200GMii with a 16-35 or other suitable wide. I want my lens gapping to be no more than 2x (35mm * 2 = 70). I would prefer the widest lens which achieves this gapping requirement, and the lens must be sharp on the long end because the intention is to crop if necessary

The reason for this preference is firstly the lens speed vs weight tradeoff, at a 300mm crop we have
70-200/2.8 -> 300/4 equiv, 1kg
70-200/4 -> 300/5.6 equiv, 0.8kg
35-150/2.8 -> 300/5.6 equiv, 1kg
Canon 100-300/2.8 -> 300/2.8, 2.6kg (simulate FE 300/2.8)
70-180/2.8 -> 270/4, 0.8kg

I am quite willing to add 200g to gain a stop on the long end, but not 1.6kg for another stop

And secondly having OSS is helpful for video at 200mm, I’m not about to mount a 70-200 or similar onto a gimbal

Sep 04, 2023 at 08:59 PM

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p.1 #15 · p.1 #15 · 20-70g vs 16-35pz for Spain and Italy

I'd say 20-70 range is more versatile, it offer a very useful range if you want to pack relatively light, have nicer photos (better than iPhone or P&S) while enjoying travel itself. No matter what you bring you can't cover everything... 20mm not wide enough while 16-35 you probably can't shoot details like mosaics and stained glasses or statues .. and you are limited to that distorted perspective.

Younjulius wrote:
Would I miss long ends beyond 70mm in those countries at lot?

My dilemma is around the usefulness of wider than 20mm and longer than 50mm and tele range. If the use is only a few times, I don’t mind, but I want to avoid the regrets of missing a bunch great shots.

You won't miss 70mm + a lot. I have longer lens when I travel but usually they just account for very low % of photos. Maybe I use ~100mm quite a bit but you can crop from 70mm. I sometimes use 200mm, 300mm for city (lower than 1%) but likely in cities I'm quite familiar with.

Usually even a 16mm can't cover the entire cathedral, you might need a fisheye

(trying to insert one more lens into your head lol ) ok, fisheye is actually quite good for dome in cathedral or mosque...

aCuria wrote:
If you are running 2 lenses, it’s better to use a wide + medium telephoto combination, for example:

From my personal experience, wide + medium tele means quite a lot of switching and somehow ruin the fun of traveling itself, especially in crowded cities (I tried 16-35/4 and 70-200/2.8 combo in a trip although not with Sony back then). That 35-150 range seems a lot better but it's also quite large (just personal preference, that size and weight is fine for events but a bit bulky for walking around in cities)

Sep 05, 2023 at 07:27 AM

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p.1 #16 · p.1 #16 · 20-70g vs 16-35pz for Spain and Italy

Chez is bang on the money. You can take all your lenses and shoot every possible iteration of a shot with every focal length and then have a huge choice when you get back and you have to lug it all around, or you can shoot with the lenses you decide to take and get the best shots with them. There are a million ways to take a subject - no need to try and get them all. It is best to previsualize. Personally, I would pick the 20-70mm, 35mm is too short at the long end, also streets are narrow, and wider may prove to be more useful IMO.

Sep 05, 2023 at 09:27 AM

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p.1 #17 · p.1 #17 · 20-70g vs 16-35pz for Spain and Italy

chez wrote:
My advice to you is not to worry about the shots you can’t get, but focus on the shots you can make, and make them the best you can. There will always be shots that you’ll miss no matter what or how much equipment you bring.

This is such great advice!

Sep 05, 2023 at 09:44 AM

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p.1 #18 · p.1 #18 · 20-70g vs 16-35pz for Spain and Italy

Bold guess wider range in cities / longer outside
Location does not say much about what you like to shoot. You could be 28 or 50mm street shooter..

Speaking for myself, If I had only theses 2 options (16-35 and 20-70) I would rather have 20-70 so no need to change lens for lion s share because I am used to 21mm and rareley want wider, but would mostly shoot at 28 and 50mm.

Younjulius wrote:
I understand the lenses cover different ranges and that’s my question. Traveling Spain and Italy visiting their streets, allies and cathedrals among many other things, which range is better suited for the case?

Is 20mm wide enough? Or, 70mm reaches far enough for most cases? If I were to add a lens to pair with either options, which combo could be more versatile?

Sep 05, 2023 at 11:03 AM

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p.1 #19 · p.1 #19 · 20-70g vs 16-35pz for Spain and Italy

I have the 20/1.8G and really like it but I say a bit wider wouldn't hurt in Spain and Italy. It depends on what other lenses you are bringing and if you plan to photograph people/portraits as well.

Sep 05, 2023 at 02:58 PM

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p.1 #20 · p.1 #20 · 20-70g vs 16-35pz for Spain and Italy

70 mm is too limiting (short) for my taste.
I'd use 20-70 & 70-200. A small Voigt 15/4.5 could be helpful too.
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