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helimat wrote:
One more vote for the Pentax 67 II + 75/2.8 AL.


Did you bump up saturation or post princess this?





Mamiya 7 + 65/4




Oct 21, 2023 at 10:45 AM
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Educate me, but the 33 x 44 mm sensor does not appear that much larger than the 35mm sensor. My sense is that Hasselblad's advantages lies rather in the greater dynamic range, unique color pallette and proprietary software.


Oct 21, 2023 at 11:00 AM
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j.liam wrote:
Educate me, but the 33 x 44 mm sensor does not appear that much larger than the 35mm sensor. My sense is that Hasselblad's advantages lies rather in the greater dynamic range, unique color pallette and proprietary software.


I think that you are right-on about all these points of the Hasselblad X1/2D and XCD lenses. I only have the lowly X1D but feel it was more than adequate to use as a travel/city&street one lens-body replaying my venerable Leica M9. The files are very flexible for editing but I rarely need to do any PP on these files.

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Oct 21, 2023 at 02:50 PM
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j.liam wrote:
Educate me, but the 33 x 44 mm sensor does not appear that much larger than the 35mm sensor. My sense is that Hasselblad's advantages lies rather in the greater dynamic range, unique color pallette and proprietary software.


Yep, this is pretty much it. Mostly though the files are incredibly robust. And if you're shooting the X2D or GFX100 series. you get 16 bit, so much finer tonal and colour graduations. It's subtle but visible for the most part. The malleability of the files on the other hand is a large upgrade. Noise is lightly lower (about the same jump from APSC to 24x36) but in 2023 AI NR software has made this some what of a moot point.

The other thing is that, because you're not enlarging as much, to get to a set print size from a larger sensor, there's less stress on the lenses to be optically perfect. It's a marginal gain at 33x44 but it's there. At 6x7 though it's a huge advantage to the larger stock. That's how you get a *gentle* rendering but with gobs of detail. The *medium format* look. I think most medium format shooters like the way the subject looks less harsh and how the focus falls off a subject in a larger sensor.

There's zero DoF advantages. You can always find a much faster lens in 24x36. f1.2 lenses are a dime a dozen in 24x36 and 0.95 is in several systems. If you must have blurry backgrounds then 24x36 is the only choice. that's where all the R&D money went.

99% of the time you don't need more resolution. Mind you the same could be said coming from APSC to 24x36. Fuji's at 40MP now.

33x44 is a marginal gain over 24x36 like 24x36 is a marginal gain over APSC. But if you see it and you want it.......

Gordon



Oct 21, 2023 at 04:12 PM
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flash wrote:
There's zero DoF advantages. You can always find a much faster lens in 24x36. f1.2 lenses are a dime a dozen in 24x36 and 0.95 is in several systems. If you must have blurry backgrounds then 24x36 is the only choice. that's where all the R&D money went.


Just to follow up on this—for the others. I know Gordon knows all this stuff.

With f/2.8 being so common, basically every 645 lens ends up being equivalent in DoF to f/1.7 on 24x36. Lenses like the Mamiya 80mm f/1.9 and Contax 645 80mm f/2 were novelties—beautiful lenses for—where that faster aperture only appeared at one focal length, where today getting an f/1.2 equivalent for 35mm can be had from 28mm to 85mm.

Things improve only a little at larger formats. If you can drop the cash, Hasselblad's 2000/200 series had f/2.8's at 50mm (~25mm f/1.4) and 150mm (~75mm f/1.4) and an incredible f/2 at 110mm (55mm f/1). All incredible lenses, but the 50mm and 110mm are massive.

I haven't shot the Pentax 67, but their later 67 lenses step things up a bit. They also have a set of 75mm f/2.8 (35mm f/1.35), 90mm f/2.8 (43mm f/1.35), 105mm f/2.4 (50mm f/1.15), and 165mm f/2.8 (80mm f/1.35).

The caveat to all of this is that these equivalencies are all assuming comparisons of the diagonal. But of course, you shoot 6x6 partially because you want square. And if you want square on 24x36, you need to crop to 24x24. And now the diagonal is different. Now the Zeiss 110mm f/2 on 6x6 actually gives the same combination of AoV, DoF, and framing as a 47mm f/0.86. So, at least now, we're talking about something more interesting—but something that's really hard to nail focus with film and a split prism...

Diagonal Crop factors:
645: 0.62
6x6: 0.53
6x7: 0.48
6x9: 0.43

Cropped to equivalent ratio:
645: 0.58
6x6: 0.43
6x7: 0.43



Oct 22, 2023 at 07:14 AM
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For crop digital MF, my current and happens to be only gear is X2D/28P.



Oct 22, 2023 at 07:42 AM
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MAubrey wrote:
With f/2.8 being so common, basically every 645 lens ends up being equivalent in DoF to f/1.7 on 24x36. Lenses like the Mamiya 80mm f/1.9 and Contax 645 80mm f/2 were novelties—beautiful lenses for—where that faster aperture only appeared at one focal length, where today getting an f/1.2 equivalent for 35mm can be had from 28mm to 85mm.



I recently purchased a Schneider 80/2 for Rollei 6000 series. Haven't used it yet but it should be interesting in this regard.
What ƒ-stop equivalent to 35mm would the Schneider be on the 6x6 format?



Oct 22, 2023 at 09:44 AM
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As someone who prioritizes compactness, I have a Fuji GS645, so, that. If I wanted to go the 6x9 route, I’d probably pick up another Moskva 5 (one with the 6:6 mask).


Oct 22, 2023 at 10:47 AM
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I always thought one body, one lens medium format meant a Rolleiflex.


Oct 22, 2023 at 11:10 AM
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nehemiahphoto wrote:
Did you bump up saturation or post princess this?


No, just resized in LR for web posting from the scan the lab sent. That's Lomo 800 for ya



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X1D II with the 38V. It is permanently in my bag. I take it everywhere. Been thinking about the X2D but I am a bit put off by the additional weight...


Oct 22, 2023 at 11:41 AM
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Mamiya 6 all day, every day as my compact choice. A lot more compact than the Mamiya 7 wich lacks the collapsible lens. Holga as a lightweight alternative and Hasselblad 501cm with the 80 Planar if I’m not in a rush.


Oct 22, 2023 at 11:42 AM
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When I backpack, I bring my Hassey X1D & 45mm.


Oct 22, 2023 at 11:59 AM
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Plaubel Makina 670, all day; ƒ/2.8 too.


Oct 22, 2023 at 12:25 PM
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j.liam wrote:
I recently purchased a Schneider 80/2 for Rollei 6000 series. Haven't used it yet but it should be interesting in this regard.
What ƒ-stop equivalent to 35mm would the Schneider be on the 6x6 format?


Roughly 40mm f1 in terms of a direct comparison of the diagonals (.53x). If you crop the 24x36 to square, the equivalent is ~35mm f/0.86 (0.43x).

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Oct 22, 2023 at 01:52 PM
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SlowDriver wrote:
X1D II with the 38V. It is permanently in my bag. I take it everywhere. Been thinking about the X2D but I am a bit put off by the additional weight...


A reasonable concern and I think why HB is releasing the V lenses they are. To offset that weight difference.

I'm happy to trade the extra weight for increased utility and higher hit rate but the X1DII and a 2.5 lens really is the miniMF equivalent of the M11. A glorious combination in the hand.

Gordon



Oct 22, 2023 at 02:14 PM
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My pick the Hassy SWC.


Oct 22, 2023 at 04:45 PM
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helimat wrote:
No, just resized in LR for web posting from the scan the lab sent. That's Lomo 800 for ya


Woah—I need to check that out on my monitor.



Oct 22, 2023 at 05:21 PM
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nehemiahphoto wrote:
Woah—I need to check that out on my monitor.


If you haven't tried Lomo 800 yet, I strongly suggest you do! Fantastic, versatile and cheaper than most Kodak film.



Oct 22, 2023 at 06:49 PM
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Leica S-E Typ006 & Hasselblad HC 3,5/50 II Aerial












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