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Official Nikon Z 180-600mm f5.6-6.3 VR Image Thread

  
 
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American Kestrel - Z9 with 180-600 @ 600mm




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with the 1.4 TC again ... I sent the 600 PF back. Think I will save for the 800.




  NIKON Z f    NIKKOR Z 180-600mm f/5.6-6.3 VR Z TC-1.4x lens    840mm    f/9.0    1/60s    2000 ISO    0.0 EV  




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I am loving my 180-600 + 800PF pairing, so I think you've made a good, rational choice. I strive to be minimalist, and I should also probably sell my 600PF, but I don't think I can bring myself to do it.

Here's a Carolina Wren, a rarity here in Wisconsin, and a bird that will often come in very close, well under the 16' MFD of the 800PF I was using. So, switched over to the 186 and was easily able to get closer shots too.

Carolina Wren, again. by M K, on Flickr
Carolina Wren by M K, on Flickr



Mar 14, 2024 at 11:25 AM
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MatthewK wrote:
I am loving my 180-600 + 800PF pairing, so I think you've made a good, rational choice. I strive to be minimalist, and I should also probably sell my 600PF, but I don't think I can bring myself to do it.

Here's a Carolina Wren, a rarity here in Wisconsin, and a bird that will often come in very close, well under the 16' MFD of the 800PF I was using. So, switched over to the 186 and was easily able to get closer shots too.

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/53583948758_ce70ee59fd_h.jpgCarolina Wren, again. by M K, on Flickr
https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/53580182587_d7918ce458_h.jpgCarolina Wren by M K, on Flickr


Fantastic photos , I can never get close to those loud little guys. The are very common here , but very skittish . How did you get so close ?



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These were shot at 570mm and cropped a little in post, so I wasn't exactly on top of him. The spot he was hanging out in was along the side of a rock scree below a bluff, which had woods butting up next to it. Stalked up slow/quiet from tree to tree while he was bopping around in the rocks, moving when he dropped out of sight. Eventually I made it to the edge of the rocks, and then hid, waited for him to make his way closer to me. When I say "rocks", I'm talking boulders, so I could hide amongst them really easily without being seen, but eventually he scoped me out and grew skittish; took a good while before he was comfortable with me being there. Since this was in park with high amounts of foot traffic, I think he was a bit more used to people, which helped as well.






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Oh damn, I was loving your 600PF photos but the 180-600mm looks excellent too. So you found the 600PF to be too similar to the 180-600mm and think the extra reach of the 800mm is worthwhile? The 600PF looks so perfect as far as size/weight go but for the money it is awfully close to the 800 and getting up into used 600F4 ranges. There are too many good choices right now with Nikon but I think starting with the 180-600mm is my best bet and then deciding from there. If I like the system enough I may sell my Canon gear and go all in with a Z8 + 600TC.


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MatthewK wrote:
I am loving my 180-600 + 800PF pairing, so I think you've made a good, rational choice. I strive to be minimalist, and I should also probably sell my 600PF, but I don't think I can bring myself to do it.

Here's a Carolina Wren, a rarity here in Wisconsin, and a bird that will often come in very close, well under the 16' MFD of the 800PF I was using. So, switched over to the 186 and was easily able to get closer shots too.

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/53583948758_ce70ee59fd_h.jpgCarolina Wren, again. by M K, on Flickr
https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/53580182587_d7918ce458_h.jpgCarolina Wren by M K, on Flickr


The poor MFD of the 600PF and 800PF sound like such a bummer. Otherwise they seem nearly perfect but I can imagine hitting that MFD often based on my use of the RF 100-500mm.

So with the 600PF and 800PF you basically can't come close to filling the frame with small birds?



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Oh damn, I was loving your 600PF photos but the 180-600mm looks excellent too. So you found the 600PF to be too similar to the 180-600mm and think the extra reach of the 800mm is worthwhile? The 600PF looks so perfect as far as size/weight go but for the money it is awfully close to the 800 and getting up into used 600F4 ranges. There are too many good choices right now with Nikon but I think starting with the 180-600mm is my best bet and then deciding from there. If I like the system enough I may sell my
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I think the zoom is close enough in quality that I can live with the extra weight and size. Do I regret sending it back , as soon as I closed the box I regretted it. It really is quite a bit easier to handle.

I will likely complain about the size/weight of the 800 , but the plan is to use it for dedicated outings , not my usual birding while walking two crazy dogs. It probably won't get nearly as much use as the zoom , I don't venture out often. I don't have the free time typically during the hours I would prefer to shoot, except on the weekends.

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Oh damn, I was loving your 600PF photos but the 180-600mm looks excellent too. So you found the 600PF to be too similar to the 180-600mm and think the extra reach of the 800mm is worthwhile? The 600PF looks so perfect as far as size/weight go but for the money it is awfully close to the 800 and getting up into used 600F4 ranges. There are too many good choices right now with Nikon but I think starting with the 180-600mm is my best bet and then deciding from there. If I like the system enough I may sell my
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If you're on the fence about the 180-600 vs. 600PF, def recommend the 180-600. It gives up very little to the prime, and unless you're shooting at extremes, you won't see a difference in practice. The 186 is a full lb heavier, and it's noticeable, but it's more than manageable hand-held for an all-day shoot. I also believe the 186 pairs better with the 800PF because of the 50% shorter MFD, whereas the 600PF is only 3' shorter than the 800PF.

Now, the 600PF vs. 800PF: completely different use cases, I think. For birding, 600mm is more of a general purpose, wider lens, and I find it much easier to use than the 800. You can have the 600PF pinch hit as an 800 w/ the 1.4TC, and it's just as sharp as the 800PF but you're at f/9 so you need good light. If you're needing to regularly shoot at 800, get the 800PF. For small birds only, the 800PF can't be beat.

In my opinion, the 600PF begs to be shot alone, it's the lens to get if you know for sure you're a 600mm shooter or that's the exact length you need for a particular subject. If you think to buy it and pair it with a 100-400 or another lens, then you might as well go for the 180-600 because you've just lost the weight advantage by bringing a backpack and another lens.

So with the 600PF and 800PF you basically can't come close to filling the frame with small birds?

If you take a look at my Flickr page (https://www.flickr.com/photos/100190564@N08/with/53212357427), there's a decent sampling of what's possible with these lenses in terms of size in frame & composition. How often are you wanting to fill the frame with a bird though? Personally, I think the perch and environment are just as important, so want to include some of that. This is part of the reason too that I tend towards a 600mm lens vs the 800, for more breathing room in composition. The 800 can fill the frame if you hit it just right though, and the 600 can get close if you are ok with cropping a little bit.



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Mar 14, 2024 at 01:49 PM
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I won't pretend to know the first thing about marketing, purely a casual observer. This 180-600 may turn out to be one of Nikon's biggest mistakes. I'm referring to the price. Consider the Sony 200-600 was released almost five years ago at around $2000. OM Systems just took a nearly 10 year old design from Sigma, changed the mount, kept the horrible push/pull zoom, and slapped another $800 onto the price bringing that lens to $2700.
Nikon brought out a completely new design, internal zoom, shaved some weight from the F mount 200-500, improved the IQ from the 200-500, all for less than $1800. I'm certainly not complaining but I think I'd still consider this lens a great bargain at even around $2400.
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Someone speculated that pricing it this low was a way to get users to jump ship to Nikon and that companies make most of their profit on selling camera bodies.

sum1sgrampa wrote:
I won't pretend to know the first thing about marketing, purely a casual observer. This 180-600 may turn out to be one of Nikon's biggest mistakes. I'm referring to the price. Consider the Sony 200-600 was released almost five years ago at around $2000. OM Systems just took a nearly 10 year old design from Sigma, changed the mount, kept the horrible push/pull zoom, and slapped another $800 onto the price bringing that lens to $2700.
Nikon brought out a completely new design, internal zoom, shaved some weight from the F mount 200-500, improved the IQ from the 200-500, all
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AlphaPhotography wrote:
Someone speculated that pricing it this low was a way to get users to jump ship to Nikon and that companies make most of their profit on selling camera bodies.



Could very well be. Glad I could take advantage

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I realize this is mostly common sense but here's my case for using a zoom. YMMV. My favorite spot to shoot is from a kayak. It's relatively calm water so I can maneuver around pretty good but a lot of the time I am at the will of the current. Especially if I'm drifting towards a subject where any extra movement (paddling) could possibly spook the animal. And a lot of the time, not always - all animals have their own personalities, they'll let me drift in pretty close. But if I'm spending time trying to keep the proper framing by paddling around, well that's not gonna work. I have to keep all my movements very compact and to a bare minimum. This is from series of shots using my Sigma 150-600 S that I used for seven years. I haven't been able to get out yet with my 180-600 at this spot because it's too early in the year. Can't wait Note the focal lengths. The last shot is the Osprey adjusting his footing, not flying away. Now if I was going to a spot like Conowingo, I'd rather carry the 600 prime or ideally the 800. But I haven't been to Conowingo in over three years and I kayak in my spot from April to October regularly.
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  NIKON D500    600mm    f/6.3    1/2000s    1250 ISO    -1.0 EV  






  NIKON D500    550mm    f/7.1    1/2000s    1250 ISO    -1.3 EV  






  NIKON D500    500mm    f/6.3    1/2000s    1250 ISO    -1.3 EV  






  NIKON D500    360mm    f/6.3    1/2000s    1250 ISO    -1.3 EV  






  NIKON D500    220mm    f/6.3    1/2000s    1250 ISO    -1.3 EV  



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sum1sgrampa wrote:
I won't pretend to know the first thing about marketing, purely a casual observer. This 180-600 may turn out to be one of Nikon's biggest mistakes. I'm referring to the price. Consider the Sony 200-600 was released almost five years ago at around $2000. OM Systems just took a nearly 10 year old design from Sigma, changed the mount, kept the horrible push/pull zoom, and slapped another $800 onto the price bringing that lens to $2700.
Nikon brought out a completely new design, internal zoom, shaved some weight from the F mount 200-500, improved the IQ from the 200-500, all
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Consumer zoom lenses are always decently priced.
High end primes are priced ridiculously high, but I will rush to say that that is my subjective opinion. High end cameras the same: the €7200,- spent on the A1 was not a healthy purchase at all, but at least I was honest with myself about it.

Pricing aside though, the Sony 200-600 leaves little to nothing to the Nikon counterpart: it is clearly sharper wide open at max focal length but has slightly shorter focal length, and it is just a very similar lens and purchase, and with its regular discount can be bought for €1700,- brandnew. The fact that it is almost five years old, does not make it a worse lens in any way.

I think it is much more important to follow your subjective preferences: Nikon's rendering is far smoother and has better colors to my eyes. If I had to start anew right now, I would 100% buy the Nikon Z8 with the 800PF and the 600PF. That would give me an ultimate birding combo and an ultimate hiking combo.

I currently have the Sony A1 and 600GM, but if I could sell it at a good price, I would make the switch. When I got the Sony gear, the 800PF was still unobtainable and the Z8 a complete unknown. I hated the Z9 for its size and weight, but the Z8 is just about perfect. I loved the D500 ergonomics when I had it.
The Sony combo has clear advantages, but they are not thát crucial to me, and I am a sucker for the Nikon rendering, that is more natural and easy on the eyes i.m.o. and the Sony combo is very big.



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  NIKON Z 9    NIKKOR Z 180-600mm f/5.6-6.3 VR lens    600mm    f/6.3    1/3200s    1000 ISO    -2.3 EV  




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AlphaPhotography wrote:
Oh damn, I was loving your 600PF photos but the 180-600mm looks excellent too. So you found the 600PF to be too similar to the 180-600mm and think the extra reach of the 800mm is worthwhile? The 600PF looks so perfect as far as size/weight go but for the money it is awfully close to the 800 and getting up into used 600F4 ranges. There are too many good choices right now with Nikon but I think starting with the 180-600mm is my best bet and then deciding from there. If I like the system enough I may sell my
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As others have opined, it is best to know what applications, conditions, and FL's you shoot. For example, a 600 PF could be a great lens for birding in some locations, though it wouldn't be my first choice here in the Midwest or down in the Galapagos. At Conowingo, my 800 PF was shooting all day while the 180-600 sat in the bag. At a recent shoot in FL, the 800 PF was way too long and I was grateful for the 180-600 which at times was shouldered while I was clicking away on the 70-180 attached to a second body. If 600mm was my preferred, long FL, I would probably consider pairing it with a 100-400, or a 400 f/4.5 + 70-180/200 etc.

Having all of these choices of high quality lenses at relatively competitive prices is really a nice problem to have. What attracted me back to Nikon (having been a Canon shooter since the late 1980's, and brief Sony dabbler) was the release of the 800 f/6.3 PF and their lens roadmap. I was toting around big Canon glass, namely a 600 f/4 and 500 f/4 with TC's and at the time the only reasonable RF zoom was the relatively expensive, telescoping 100-500 (It is still one of my favorites for its size and sharpness though it suffers from flare/CA more than the 186). I genuinely dislike TC's for many reasons and was grateful for a lightweight, relatively affordable lens, which was hand holdable, and provided great IQ. Sorry Cannon and Sony, you have nothing like this lens in your arsenal.

I still prefer some aspects of my Canon bodies though with the recent FW updates, the Z8 has now sufficiently surpassed the R5 that I no longer regret switching. Since moving to Nikon, Canon has released some incrementally improved bodies, high end (100-300 f/2.8 comes to mind) and lower end lenses (200-800) and the R5II and R1 are on the foreseeable horizon. If I were still invested in Canon gear and happy with my equipment, I wouldn't be in such a rush to switch right now, though it is unlikely that they will target the mid-range value glass that Nikon uniquely offers.



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My biggest issue with Canon currently is the video animal eye AF, video AF in general, and lack of better codecs and log profiles (CLOG2). I have several of their best lenses including the 28-70 f2, 100-500, 70-200mm f2.8, 85mm f1.2, 100mm macro, etc. and two R5's so I'm heavily invested. I've also had two separate R5 shutter failures and am currently experiencing a third (error 20 and error 30).

I shot some 8k log video the other day and my nearly maxed out MacBook Pro M3 Max 14 core CPU, 30 core GPU, with 36GB memory can't play it back in FCP or DaVinci without heavy stuttering. The files are also ridiculously huge even in 4k compared to Sony (not sure about Nikon).

In video shooting CLOG3 you need to overexpose the image as it's a very noisy log profile (ISO 800 base). This leads to a washed out image while filming/metering and the AF struggles tracking people and animals even with the correct AF settings. I've tried a variety of settings and find it nearly unusable. It is unreliable. I don't know if the R5II will resolve this. In video Canon also locks you out of all tools while recording, no histogram, etc. Based on videos I've seen taken with the Nikon Z8/Z9 with the latest firmware the animal eye AF looks far better and the stabilization too. Unless Canon makes drastic improvements with this in the very near future on the R5II then I'll likely be switching, at least for my wildlife photography for now. I do love Canon for portraits and the ergonomics are excellent. But Nikon is appealing for wildlife/video and Sony for lenses/video/travel.

armd wrote:
As others have opined, it is best to know what applications, conditions, and FL's you shoot. For example, a 600 PF could be a great lens for birding in some locations, though it wouldn't be my first choice here in the Midwest or down in the Galapagos. At Conowingo, my 800 PF was shooting all day while the 180-600 sat in the bag. At a recent shoot in FL, the 800 PF was way too long and I was grateful for the 180-600 which at times was shouldered while I was clicking away on the 70-180 attached to a second
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I just got that same exact MBP, very nice! Coming from my 2019 iMac, it’s a revelation (except for the screen, of course, so had to also get a Studio Display).




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AlphaPhotography wrote:
My biggest issue with Canon currently is the video animal eye AF, video AF in general, and lack of better codecs and log profiles (CLOG2). I have several of their best lenses including the 28-70 f2, 100-500, 70-200mm f2.8, 85mm f1.2, 100mm macro, etc. and two R5's so I'm heavily invested. I've also had two separate R5 shutter failures and am currently experiencing a third (error 20 and error 30).

I shot some 8k log video the other day and my nearly maxed out MacBook Pro M3 Max 14 core CPU, 30 core GPU, with 36GB memory can't play it back
...Show more

Didn't realize that the video question is on the table and your absolutely correct on all counts. I can attest that both the VR and AF are superior on the Nikon and they do offer a fair number of codecs and resolution on the Z8. Battery runtime is comparatively better than the R5 and if one uses and appropriate CFE, then it is unlikely that you'll run into writing issues. Overheating, while a potential issue is less than problematic than the R5. As I mentioned, Canon is slated to release both the R5II and R1, and either body may change that narrative.



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