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Official: Sony A7C II, A7CR and FE 16-35mm f/2.8 GM II

  
 
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p.29 #1 · p.29 #1 · Official: Sony A7C II, A7CR and FE 16-35mm f/2.8 GM II


BillD208 wrote:
Hard to imagine either a 20 or a 28 with the 24 f/2.8 already out. But what do I know?


It could happen....two of the first three were a lot closer together than most would have expected (40 and 50).



Oct 04, 2023 at 06:44 AM
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p.29 #2 · p.29 #2 · Official: Sony A7C II, A7CR and FE 16-35mm f/2.8 GM II


Palmguy wrote:
It could happen....two of the first three were a lot closer together than most would have expected (40 and 50).


The two 50mm GM lenses are even closer to each other!



Oct 04, 2023 at 03:38 PM
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p.29 #3 · p.29 #3 · Official: Sony A7C II, A7CR and FE 16-35mm f/2.8 GM II


Here's another hand held shot from my A7CII. JPG straight out of the camera (can't wait for LR update so I can process raw shots). IOS 8000 f/5 1/30 second.

DSC03718 by Bill Dyke, on Flickr



Oct 04, 2023 at 04:08 PM
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p.29 #4 · p.29 #4 · Official: Sony A7C II, A7CR and FE 16-35mm f/2.8 GM II


A7CII is now on Amazon DE for 1600€ with kit lens: https://www.amazon.de/Sony-Spiegellose-Vollformatkamera-Echtzeit-Autofokus-LCD-Touchscreen/dp/B0CGFBMNDH/ref=sr_1_81?qid=1696504352&refinements=p_89%3ASony&rnid=669059031&s=photo&sr=1-81 (maybe scam!)

* Note that under the camera name it says "Sony-Store", but the seller on the right side is different, in I don't know if that's normal on Amazon (maybe a scam?):
Versand barTbaren
Verkäufer barTbaren



Oct 05, 2023 at 05:14 AM
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p.29 #5 · p.29 #5 · Official: Sony A7C II, A7CR and FE 16-35mm f/2.8 GM II


Ondrej wrote:
A7CII is now on Amazon DE for 1600€ with kit lens: https://www.amazon.de/Sony-Spiegellose-Vollformatkamera-Echtzeit-Autofokus-LCD-Touchscreen/dp/B0CGFBMNDH/ref=sr_1_81?qid=1696504352&refinements=p_89%3ASony&rnid=669059031&s=photo&sr=1-81 (maybe scam!)

* Note that under the camera name it says "Sony-Store", but the seller on the right side is different, in I don't know if that's normal on Amazon (maybe a scam?):
Versand barTbaren
Verkäufer barTbaren


This is obviously a scam - there are two similar listings from the same seller at silly prices. Happens on Amazon all the time for camera gear.



Oct 05, 2023 at 05:41 AM
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p.29 #6 · p.29 #6 · Official: Sony A7C II, A7CR and FE 16-35mm f/2.8 GM II


BillD208 wrote:
Here's another hand held shot from my A7CII. JPG straight out of the camera (can't wait for LR update so I can process raw shots). IOS 8000 f/5 1/30 second.

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/53233925082_1b2ecc2dac_b.jpgDSC03718 by Bill Dyke, on Flickr


You can try a free trial of Dx0, or use the Sony Imaging Edge.
I'm waiting for the Adobe support as well but it's fully possible to handle raw format images while waiting.



Oct 05, 2023 at 01:30 PM
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p.29 #7 · p.29 #7 · Official: Sony A7C II, A7CR and FE 16-35mm f/2.8 GM II


Thanks for the info. I use Pure Raw 2 and as of a couple of days ago it hasn't updated. I'm not sure if I'm going to need to upgrade to Pure Raw 3 in order to get that upgrade or not but I'll wait and find out.


Oct 05, 2023 at 03:44 PM
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p.29 #8 · p.29 #8 · Official: Sony A7C II, A7CR and FE 16-35mm f/2.8 GM II


My A7CR arrived last night, I am super impressed how it feels in the hand. My only experience being the a9/a9ii/a7iii and no A7c experience, the EVF doesn't bother me at all and I seem to be able to nail manual focus without issue. The lack of joystick is okay because the AF point can be moved with the back wheel, though I need to see if there is a way to set a hotkey to reset it to center.

The rear LCD isn't impressive but I can't really tell that it's lower res than the A9(1.4 vs 1 million dots I think), if anything colors look better on it. I'd like to see Sony up their rear LCD game big time, one would think it would sell more cameras in store too if people see a nice vibrant sharp display.

Regarding the EFCS, well I did a few test shots this afternoon. These are all shot at 1/4000, I tried to do a medium and close focus bokeh with both the CV40 @ 1.2 and the Sigma 45 @ 2.8, I tried to keep the bokeh balls roughly the same size for the medium and close shots. I was too lazy to set up a tripod or do anything much more scientific than this.

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Sigma 45 @ 2.8

























I had heard this before but it's certainly a combination of the shutter speed and the aperature. Even with relatively large bokeh balls with the sigma 2.8, the chopped bokeh hardly shows up compared to the CV40 1.2. In fact with any 2.8 lens I don't think I'm going to worry about the EFCS bokeh at all until I see it actually compromise a shot in normal shooting. I still might test my 70-200 2.8 to see if super large bokeh balls @ 2.8 are affected. The bokeh on the CV 40 is definitely not ideal but neither is 1/4000 max shutter speed to be using that lens wide open, so if anything it's just a lens I might carry an ND filter for though more realistically I'll favor the sigma 45 until it's night time. So I guess despite all the complaints with EFCS due to the 1/4000 max SS, you probably should carry NDs anyway if you're shooting fast primes, I don't plan to be in this situation often though. If you're using nice compact 2.8 primes it's probably not something to worry about at all.





Oct 07, 2023 at 04:16 PM
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p.29 #9 · p.29 #9 · Official: Sony A7C II, A7CR and FE 16-35mm f/2.8 GM II


I mentioned before, at 1/4000 the efcs effect is detectable but pretty minimal. My example was 1/8000 which is bad. I think it is might also be lens/aperture dependent. The sigma f2.8 test is pretty pointless real life though as you are very unlikely to need that high shutter speed unless u crank up your iso for no reason.

But the conclusion is the same, u can’t really shoot at wide aperture in daylight (without nd) with the a7c series as 1/4000 results in over exposure.



Oct 07, 2023 at 06:06 PM
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cxpics wrote:
My A7CR arrived last night, I am super impressed how it feels in the hand. My only experience being the a9/a9ii/a7iii and no A7c experience, the EVF doesn't bother me at all and I seem to be able to nail manual focus without issue. The lack of joystick is okay because the AF point can be moved with the back wheel, though I need to see if there is a way to set a hotkey to reset it to center.

The rear LCD isn't impressive but I can't really tell that it's lower res than the A9(1.4 vs 1 million dots
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Thanks for the test. Personally if this is the extreme test…I have no concerns. I plan to get the A7cr for travel where I’m more concerned about dim light and high iso than shooting 1.4 on a bright sunny beach. 😉



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p.29 #11 · p.29 #11 · Official: Sony A7C II, A7CR and FE 16-35mm f/2.8 GM II


wind30 wrote:
I mentioned before, at 1/4000 the efcs effect is detectable but pretty minimal. My example was 1/8000 which is bad. I think it is might also be lens/aperture dependent. The sigma f2.8 test is pretty pointless real life though as you are very unlikely to need that high shutter speed unless u crank up your iso for no reason.

But the conclusion is the same, u can’t really shoot at wide aperture in daylight (without nd) with the a7c series as 1/4000 results in over exposure.


Why not shoot with Electronic Shutter up to 1/8000 if the scene doesn't have any moving subjects though? There's no negative impact on bokeh with ES but movement in the scene could cause some issues due to slow readout. I've used my original A7C in ES mode pretty much all the time (lots of high speed shots at wide open apertures too) except when shooting in artificial light but I mainly shoot static subjects with it and A9 is my action shooter.



Oct 07, 2023 at 08:02 PM
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p.29 #12 · p.29 #12 · Official: Sony A7C II, A7CR and FE 16-35mm f/2.8 GM II


Juha Kannisto wrote:
Why not shoot with Electronic Shutter up to 1/8000 if the scene doesn't have any moving subjects though? There's no negative impact on bokeh with ES but movement in the scene could cause some issues due to slow readout. I've used my original A7C in ES mode pretty much all the time (lots of high speed shots at wide open apertures too) except when shooting in artificial light but I mainly shoot static subjects with it and A9 is my action shooter.


I think a7c series e-shutter is 1/4000 max right?



Oct 07, 2023 at 08:26 PM
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p.29 #13 · p.29 #13 · Official: Sony A7C II, A7CR and FE 16-35mm f/2.8 GM II


wind30 wrote:
I think a7c series e-shutter is 1/4000 max right?


It’s 1/8000s.



Oct 07, 2023 at 09:01 PM
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cxpics wrote:
My A7CR arrived last night [...]


Congratulations and thank you.
Use the trash button to move the focus back to the center position.

Also, it is often possible to use the AF ON button to track an object instead of manually moving the focus point around. I very seldom miss the (to me fiddly) joystick.
EDIT: I assume you usually use AF-C.



Oct 08, 2023 at 01:44 AM
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p.29 #15 · p.29 #15 · Official: Sony A7C II, A7CR and FE 16-35mm f/2.8 GM II


I, for the first time, tried the Hi-Res function the other day.
As probably anyone having used the A7RV (and perhaps other models with the feature) I found the implementation very poor. With 60 MP it isn't often needed but I think it should be more user friendly and practical.
Maybe Sony could have a look at how the OM System OM-1 works?



Oct 08, 2023 at 07:52 AM
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p.29 #16 · p.29 #16 · Official: Sony A7C II, A7CR and FE 16-35mm f/2.8 GM II


Also, when already in tech. checking mode I compared images taken with EFCS (or crippled mechanical mode) and the same images taken in full electronic mode (a.k.a. Silent shooting).

It's the same as reported earlier. Up to and iclusive shutter speeds 1/500 of a second everything works fine. At 1/1000 and faster the out of focus background gets increasingly weird.

Out of topic I start to wonder what the same images would look like if taken with the A1.



Oct 08, 2023 at 07:57 AM
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p.29 #17 · p.29 #17 · Official: Sony A7C II, A7CR and FE 16-35mm f/2.8 GM II


Has anyone tested using either one as a webcam? Can it run plugged in indefinitely without losing battery or overheating? Do you need a USB-C (3.2) port or is it fine with an old USB-A 3.0?


Oct 08, 2023 at 11:23 PM
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p.29 #18 · p.29 #18 · Official: Sony A7C II, A7CR and FE 16-35mm f/2.8 GM II


FYI: Adobe Lightroom Classic and Camera Raw just added support for A7c.2 and A7cR. Just updated mine.


Oct 10, 2023 at 10:04 AM
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p.29 #19 · p.29 #19 · Official: Sony A7C II, A7CR and FE 16-35mm f/2.8 GM II


Sharif Abdou wrote:
FYI: Adobe Lightroom Classic and Camera Raw just added support for A7c.2 and A7cR. Just updated mine.


ACR user here... Thank you. That was faster than expected.




Oct 10, 2023 at 10:36 AM
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p.29 #20 · p.29 #20 · Official: Sony A7C II, A7CR and FE 16-35mm f/2.8 GM II




Even the pro's gush over the A7Cii :-)



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