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p.25 #1 · p.25 #1 · Official: Sony A7C II, A7CR and FE 16-35mm f/2.8 GM II


Reactions to the EFCS/MS issue are largely governed by your (anecdotal) pattern of personal usage. It's been an issue for at least five years, from reading. To get to the bottom of it, I believe you are better advised to listen to portrait photographers than scientific types on this matter, because they are chasing different characteristics, in the main. Some of the latter choose very poor image subjects to support their opinions.

The portraitists have often laid out thousands of dollars and they won't be overlooking the worm-like high contrast, saturation-blobbed mess they may observe with high-shutter-speed EFCS, at often moderate s/speeds by today's standards. Of course they want f1-f1.4 apertures as a matter of course, so they are the canaries in the coal mine. Note that the damage is very image-specific as well, and this also appears to elude some observers.

So there are sound reasons to prefer not using EFCS in circumstances of rapid light changes and time pressure - who wants to have to remember such a setting in capricious light? And it interrupts the creativity of the process with mundane camera functions. Fuji's approach seems the best one, take it away from the user at the onset s/speeds at which it first occurs. They will know...

Vision varies very widely, and photographers are no exception - one person's 'I don't see much change' is another's 'that's damaging the image badly'. In the imaging partnership, the camera's task is to record the image content passed to it by the lens. The lens is the principal, it is sovereign - or it should be.

Reading/viewing:

https://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/1695320/0
https://thecentercolumn.com/2018/11/22/bokeh-and-efcs-for-the-fuji-x-h1/
https://photographylife.com/mechanical-electronic-shutter-efcs#bokeh-at-fast-shutter-speeds

Magic Wedding Photographer YT: 'This setting is changing your bokeh: e-Front Curtain Shutter on Sony A7IV'
(if you don't see the effect, ignore the subject)
Luis Gabriel YT: 'Electronic Shutter does NOT affect bokeh, but EFCS does!'
Guy with Camera YT: Bokeh Quality Poor? (Disable Electronic First Curtain Shutter or EFCS)



Sep 14, 2023 at 08:31 PM
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p.25 #2 · p.25 #2 · Official: Sony A7C II, A7CR and FE 16-35mm f/2.8 GM II


swldstn wrote:
Ok, weíve heard a lot now about these A7CR and A7C II. I admit Iím indecisive about which one to get. I am not a video shooter so itís all about still. Iíve used every sensor Sony has in full frame except for the one in the A7S family. I currently own the RV and A1 and recently sold my A7C and A7 IV.

Iíve been inclined to get the A7C II and itís 33 Mpixel even though the A7CR is more crop-able but for casual travel and take anywhere use because of their small size Iím just not convinced I
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I don't plan to buy either of them, but as an owner and regular user of both the original A7C and A7RIII here's the main question I would ask to determine which to get: How often do you expect to be in situations where every gram/centimeter matters and absolute image quality matters? For me, those two rarely overlap. I take my A7C basically everywhere, but mostly I use it when photos aren't the main purpose of travel, but I know I still want to get really great photos...but I also wouldn't be heartbroken if I didn't get great photos.

Any time photography is a major focus of whatever I'm doing, the RIII comes with. I get the mpix but also the built-in backup with a second card slot. I'm also probably going to be carrying multiple other lenses, so the 150g more that the full body weighs will be negligible. When I'm carrying the A7C, it's just that one body with usually the Sigma 45mm or Voigt 40mm attached.

Of course, that said, if money was no object, I would probably get the A7CR just to have it.




Sep 15, 2023 at 01:01 AM
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So I came to a decision on replacing my A7C. I had pre-ordered both the A7C II and A7CR and today cancelled the A7C II. They may start arriving at the end of next week for the A7CII but the A7CR is an additional two more weeks out. I can live with the extra expense of the CR and its dynamic range is very similar to the C II looking at current data from the A7IV and A7RV sensors. Flexibility is the CRís biggest benefit I think. I donít need faster frames per second because when I do I own an A1
So I will see if Iíve made a good decision and hopefully it will arrive by mid October.

What are others thinking?



Sep 18, 2023 at 04:28 PM
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Ive ordered the CR, the flexibility is also my motivation.


Sep 18, 2023 at 04:57 PM
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p.25 #5 · p.25 #5 · Official: Sony A7C II, A7CR and FE 16-35mm f/2.8 GM II


After renting the A6700 to see if it would work for me, I decided that the A7CII was the right camera for my situation. Currently I have one camera (A7RIIIa) and want a second body and I think that model will fit my needs well.


Sep 18, 2023 at 04:59 PM
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p.25 #6 · p.25 #6 · Official: Sony A7C II, A7CR and FE 16-35mm f/2.8 GM II


What have been the historical discounts for Sony cameras (assuming there have been any) for the holidays? Do we think these will apply to these cameras specifically?


Sep 18, 2023 at 06:01 PM
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It probably would depend on salesóor lack thereof.


Sep 18, 2023 at 06:36 PM
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himurak wrote:
What have been the historical discounts for Sony cameras (assuming there have been any) for the holidays? Do we think these will apply to these cameras specifically?


Here in Australia Iíve noticed bodies always have discount after 2-3 months then a big discount around 6 months after release. So there could be some small sales for them at Christmas/Boxing Day.



Sep 18, 2023 at 06:40 PM
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p.25 #9 · p.25 #9 · Official: Sony A7C II, A7CR and FE 16-35mm f/2.8 GM II


I broke down and preordered an A7cR...our upcoming travel schedule screams for one based on size/function...plus I "only" currently have 1 body, and will be subjected to an UW housing out in the ocean in more than one instance coming up. So traveling over 3,000 miles and planning on a lot of shooting, it's probably worth having a 2nd with me just in case.

And...the reality is for our travel habits it's really the prefect body.



Sep 18, 2023 at 06:49 PM
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p.25 #10 · p.25 #10 · Official: Sony A7C II, A7CR and FE 16-35mm f/2.8 GM II


philip_pj wrote:
Reactions to the EFCS/MS issue are largely governed by your (anecdotal) pattern of personal usage. It's been an issue for at least five years, from reading. To get to the bottom of it, I believe you are better advised to listen to portrait photographers than scientific types on this matter, because they are chasing different characteristics, in the main. Some of the latter choose very poor image subjects to support their opinions.

The portraitists have often laid out thousands of dollars and they won't be overlooking the worm-like high contrast, saturation-blobbed mess they may observe with high-shutter-speed EFCS, at often moderate
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It is a shame you even have to think about it. Most of the time I remember but sometimes I don't even realize I forgot till I get home and process the images.







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p.25 #11 · p.25 #11 · Official: Sony A7C II, A7CR and FE 16-35mm f/2.8 GM II


Is this Mt. Major?



nhsonyshooter wrote:
It is a shame you even have to think about it. Most of the time I remember but sometimes I don't even realize I forgot till I get home and process the images.





Sep 19, 2023 at 05:49 PM
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p.25 #12 · p.25 #12 · Official: Sony A7C II, A7CR and FE 16-35mm f/2.8 GM II


Here's the competition..
https://imaging.nikon.com/imaging/lineup/mirrorless/z_f/



Sep 20, 2023 at 12:37 AM
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p.25 #13 · p.25 #13 · Official: Sony A7C II, A7CR and FE 16-35mm f/2.8 GM II


mojoh wrote:
Here's the competition..
https://imaging.nikon.com/imaging/lineup/mirrorless/z_f/


Looking at its size and weight, it's an A7IV competitor...



Sep 20, 2023 at 03:14 AM
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p.25 #14 · p.25 #14 · Official: Sony A7C II, A7CR and FE 16-35mm f/2.8 GM II


cameraman72 wrote:
Is this Mt. Major?




Acadia in Maine



Sep 20, 2023 at 03:25 AM
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p.25 #15 · p.25 #15 · Official: Sony A7C II, A7CR and FE 16-35mm f/2.8 GM II


Off topic but the newly released Nikon ZF has one feature I wish Sony would implement in firmware. Ability for the AF tracking to work with Manual lenses. So when you punch in the magnification is linked to the focus point (say eye detect). I know it's not Sonyís style but that would be a nice little gift to their customers.


Sep 20, 2023 at 03:58 AM
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nhsonyshooter wrote:
Off topic but the newly released Nikon ZF has one feature I wish Sony would implement in firmware. Ability for the AF tracking to work with Manual lenses. So when you punch in the magnification is linked to the focus point (say eye detect). I know it's not Sonyís style but that would be a nice little gift to their customers.


1000x this... and I'd say Sony has the worst MF aids currently in general.



Sep 20, 2023 at 04:12 AM
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swldstn wrote:
So I came to a decision on replacing my A7C. I had pre-ordered both the A7C II and A7CR and today cancelled the A7C II. They may start arriving at the end of next week for the A7CII but the A7CR is an additional two more weeks out. I can live with the extra expense of the CR and its dynamic range is very similar to the C II looking at current data from the A7IV and A7RV sensors. Flexibility is the CRís biggest benefit I think. I donít need faster frames per second because when I do I own
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Personally I would not buy the A7CII but get the A7CR as that is the far better deal between these 2 bodies . I would and did buy the 6700 over the A7CII as I think they basically end of day are pretty much identical. If I did anything I would get the A7CR with my 6700 as my kit but most likely when I do the runway stuff rent either the A7RV or the A1 and rent that twice a year. But right now im doing nothing as I got to move as our lease is up and can't renew it. So Im going to sit it out for awhile. I think

Honestly im losing interest as well in Photography after 50 years its time maybe to hang my straps up.



Sep 20, 2023 at 06:16 AM
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p.25 #18 · p.25 #18 · Official: Sony A7C II, A7CR and FE 16-35mm f/2.8 GM II


nhsonyshooter wrote:
Acadia in Maine


Thank you for coming to visit. I visit my neighbors in NH as we.



Sep 20, 2023 at 07:30 AM
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p.25 #19 · p.25 #19 · Official: Sony A7C II, A7CR and FE 16-35mm f/2.8 GM II


What if A7CR and the A7R5 (which is the case where I am, HK) are the same price brand new? Would some of you guys still choose the AC7R? If so, why?


Sep 21, 2023 at 04:22 AM
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p.25 #20 · p.25 #20 · Official: Sony A7C II, A7CR and FE 16-35mm f/2.8 GM II


ocp15k wrote:
What if A7CR and the A7R5 (which is the case where I am, HK) are the same price brand new? Would some of you guys still choose the AC7R? If so, why?


All depends on what body type appeals to you. If you want the small body then the choice is obvious; if you don't have a preference there I would suggest the A7R5 for best performance and connectivity (dual cardslots etc).



Sep 21, 2023 at 04:27 AM
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