Question on shooting 4k60p with Ninja V Canon R6

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p.1 #1 · p.1 #1 · Question on shooting 4k60p with Ninja V Canon R6

Although this forum primarily focuses on photos, I wonder if anyone has used Ninja V with Canon R6 and shot 4k60p. It surprised me that the SSD drive couldn't keep up with the speed. It skips with the kangaroo symbol every 2-4 minutes and loses connection. The error indicates that the drive cannot keep up with the data being written on the card.

It makes no sense to buy Ninja V if it cannot shoot 4K60p, yet they advertise it as if it can handle 4K60. Maybe it can with other cameras, but no Canon R6.

Aug 25, 2023 at 11:42 AM

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p.1 #2 · p.1 #2 · Question on shooting 4k60p with Ninja V Canon R6

You need to make sure the SSD you are using is capable of sustaining the data rate being written at 4K 60. Most SSD's can handle the burst load but you need to have higher end SSD's to handle the sustained write speed.

I have some cheap Western Digital SSD's in caddies that get Skippy (The Kangaroo) all the time at higher framerate recording.

Cheers

Aug 25, 2023 at 01:54 PM

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p.1 #3 · p.1 #3 · Question on shooting 4k60p with Ninja V Canon R6

ramage wrote:
You need to make sure the SSD you are using is capable of sustaining the data rate being written at 4K 60. Most SSD's can handle the burst load but you need to have higher end SSD's to handle the sustained write speed.

I have some cheap Western Digital SSD's in caddies that get Skippy (The Kangaroo) all the time at higher framerate recording.

Cheers

I use the Samsung 1TB 870 QVO 2.5" SATA III Internal SSD. I believe it is one of the best. Read Speed Sequential: 560 MB/s Write Speed Sequential: 530 MB/s. I wish they could improve the speed of these drives. They have been stuck at 530 MB/s for years now.

I now use Black Magic video assist with Samsung T7 with no issues but Black Magic is almost twice the price of Ninja V.

Aug 25, 2023 at 03:16 PM

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p.1 #4 · p.1 #4 · Question on shooting 4k60p with Ninja V Canon R6

The QVO are not good, and being QLC write speed tanks after a while and durability (TBW) is low. The 8TB QVO is a unique 2.5" SSD, but otherwise get the EVO.
Many years ago the SATA org decided not to pursue SATA 4 (1200MB/sec.) and above since the SATA protocol has too much legacy AHCI hard drive baggage and NVMe SSDs were in development. If you want a faster SSD in a larger and mountable form factor, look at U.2 or U.3 NVMe SSDs.

EBH

Aug 25, 2023 at 03:28 PM

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EB-1 wrote:
The QVO are not good, and being QLC write speed tanks after a while and durability (TBW) is low. The 8TB QVO is a unique 2.5" SSD, but otherwise get the EVO.
Many years ago the SATA org decided not to pursue SATA 4 (1200MB/sec.) and above since the SATA protocol has too much legacy AHCI hard drive baggage and NVMe SSDs were in development. If you want a faster SSD in a larger and mountable form factor, look at U.2 or U.3 NVMe SSDs.

EBH

The problem is that Ninja V's caddy cannot take NVMe SSDs. I will try the EVO as you suggested, but I looked at the write speed of the EVO, and it seems to be the same as QVO, which is 530 MB/s

Actually, the write speed on QVO tanks after two minutes or so and loses connection.

Aug 25, 2023 at 05:18 PM

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p.1 #6 · p.1 #6 · Question on shooting 4k60p with Ninja V Canon R6

Oops, I was going on about the SSDs not thinking about the internal use. Client SATA SSDs that will sustain the write speeds include WD Blue (old version, not the newer SA510), equivalent SanDisk, or 870EVO, all around $200-250 for 4TB.

You could get a NAS SATA SSD like the WD Red SA500 or Seagate IronWolf 125 that will have higher durability (greater number of write cycles) than the client SSDs and are probably more reliable being designed for 24x7x5 years, of course at a higher price.

EBH

Aug 25, 2023 at 09:19 PM

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p.1 #7 · p.1 #7 · Question on shooting 4k60p with Ninja V Canon R6

EB-1 wrote:
The QVO are not good, and being QLC write speed tanks after a while and durability (TBW) is low. The 8TB QVO is a unique 2.5" SSD, but otherwise get the EVO.
Many years ago the SATA org decided not to pursue SATA 4 (1200MB/sec.) and above since the SATA protocol has too much legacy AHCI hard drive baggage and NVMe SSDs were in development. If you want a faster SSD in a larger and mountable form factor, look at U.2 or U.3 NVMe SSDs.

EBH

You nailed my issue. Two of my SSD cards happened to be EVO. I tried the EVO drive, and I could record with it for over ten minutes without a hitch—the QVO will usually tank out about a minute sometimes less. I knew something was not adding up, but I couldn't figure it out. I never knew there were differences in these cards.

I can't thank you enough for pointing this out. I almost dumped my Ninja.

Aug 25, 2023 at 09:34 PM


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