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Couple's honeymoon -- what camera should we recommend they buy?

  
 
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RoamingScott wrote:
You don't want to learn to drive stick on your honeymoon..


Must. Resist. Urge. To. Make. Joke.



Aug 14, 2023 at 04:01 PM
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Mike_5D wrote:
Must. Resist. Urge. To. Make. Joke.


I chose my analogy for a reason



Aug 14, 2023 at 04:04 PM
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What kind of phone do they have now? if you don’t know how to espose and post process (let alone taking multiple exposures) any flagship phone in the last 4 years could take better photos than any ‘real camera’…

So I would start from there, then I would consider an instax…



Aug 14, 2023 at 04:54 PM
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crisdesign wrote:
So I would start from there, then I would consider an instax…


That's a great option for "honeymoon" photos too



Aug 14, 2023 at 05:01 PM
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tr1957 wrote:
Ask them what their phones lack. To me the biggest downsides to a phone (well, at least for my phone) are lack of a long optical zoom and a lack of a real flash. Even a pretty basic P&S with an optical zoom provide that capability to pair with their phones.


Starting to mention that.

To others who posted, thanks, am reading your replies.

My friend found his friend who's photos he saw were from a Sony E PZ 18-105mm F4.0 G OSS E lens ... although he didn't tell me what Sony camera. Must be a crop sensor.

Sony makes good stuff. The main reason I'd try to steer him to Canon, should they go down that alley, is because 3 of us over here understand those menus and system better.




Aug 14, 2023 at 05:07 PM
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R50 with kit lens and 50 1.8 will be light and plenty good than a phone and it light weight and will not break a bank!


Aug 14, 2023 at 09:35 PM
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mdvaden wrote:
My friend found his friend who's photos he saw were from a Sony E PZ 18-105mm F4.0 G OSS E lens ... although he didn't tell me what Sony camera. Must be a crop sensor.



Can you find put "why" they liked those pictures? Was it the sharpness / detail / zoom / night shots / flash shots (all camera and lens related) or the composition (photographer skill related)?

Depending on what tourist things they plan to do, a GoPro type camera might also be useful for the beach, surfing, snorkling, etc.



Aug 14, 2023 at 10:18 PM
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tr1957 wrote:
Can you find put "why" they liked those pictures? Was it the sharpness / detail / zoom / night shots / flash shots (all camera and lens related) or the composition (photographer skill related)?


It was sort of a reverse thing that his phone photos didn't look as good for quality or sharpness. I mentioned hand holding a phone is like not using a tripod, but I think his friends photos were taken hand held. His friend was using a G-master 18-105 f/4 zoom that costs around $500.

BTW and FWIW ... a thought came to mind about this particular friend ...

This man has ability to learn absorb and retain. He's about 25 years old, has two masters, working on a pHd and speaks Spanish and Greek. He may be able to accelerate a few fundamentals before the trip begins.




Aug 14, 2023 at 11:35 PM
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Phase One?


Aug 15, 2023 at 01:07 AM
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mdvaden wrote:
It was sort of a reverse thing that his phone photos didn't look as good for quality or sharpness. I mentioned hand holding a phone is like not using a tripod, but I think his friends photos were taken hand held. His friend was using a G-master 18-105 f/4 zoom that costs around $500.

BTW and FWIW ... a thought came to mind about this particular friend ...

This man has ability to learn absorb and retain. He's about 25 years old, has two masters, working on a pHd and speaks Spanish and Greek. He may be able to accelerate a few
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Like I'd said in a previous post, he's interested in a camera recommendation, so give him a camera recommendation. Is my thinking. Thinking the 18 105 Sony has a lot of odd distortion requiring computational imaging, I don't think it's anything special. Even the inexpensive Rf 24 105/4-7.1 is probably good from 28-35mm on, and then you have a ff camera.



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People like the fixed length cameras because it simplifies the process. No need to worry about how to pack 30lbs of lenses. Lightweight, efficient, and fun. With much better images than a phone could produce. While still maintaining the tactile feel and being able to adjust the exposure triangle with ease.

Because it's so small, it also doesn't attract attention. And people often think of the Fuji as a toy camera, not realizing its value. Even if you take something "small" like an R6 and pancake 12mm, lots of people recognize it, it's bigger, and you'll get more looks for sure.

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Only having 35mm FL like many film p&s's used to, just doesn't appeal to me. I used a 35mm FL p&s on film one time after I first got into photography, nice, compact, but very limiting.

Who's talking about 30lbs of gear? People love to say DSLR's are big and heavy, but mostly it's not true. The SL2 is about a pound, very light, as are the 10-18, 18-55, & even the 55-250 is light considering its ff equivalent and probably puts the camera even more ahead, given the tele capabilities. Under 3 lbs if you bought all 3 lenses, use DLO in DPP to improve performance shooting raw, and has mirrorless DPAF in LV to help accurate focus. I think someone posted a photo on a set somewhere and had managed to get the 55-250 in, and the 24mm pancake might not be much bigger than the X100 series. Similar FL.





Aug 15, 2023 at 10:20 AM
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So many assumptions:

If the purpose is specifically for a singular event, it doesn't make much sense to go beyond a Pont & shoot, like the Canon Power Shot G7X Mk3 (or equivalent other brands).

If the purpose is not only for "this" singular event, but also to get into more advanced photography in the future, than a camera like the, EOS R8 with easy to comprehend Auto modes for starters, and a WA-Tele like any of the RF 24-105's, or 24-240 may be a more sensible investment.

That's something the future user must decide for himself.



Aug 15, 2023 at 11:48 AM
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Fairly recently got back from my honeymoon. Brought an Rx100VII and was happy with the results. Agree with others who said no ILC for a first camera for a honeymoon. Have heard good things about the Ricoh GR series if they want better image quality more than zoom capabilities in a really compact body. Good luck and congratulations to your friend!


Aug 15, 2023 at 12:33 PM
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AmbientMike wrote:
Only having 35mm FL like many film p&s's used to, just doesn't appeal to me. I used a 35mm FL p&s on film one time after I first got into photography, nice, compact, but very limiting.

Who's talking about 30lbs of gear? People love to say DSLR's are big and heavy, but mostly it's not true. The SL2 is about a pound, very light, as are the 10-18, 18-55, & even the 55-250 is light considering its ff equivalent and probably puts the camera even more ahead, given the tele capabilities. Under 3 lbs if you bought all 3 lenses,
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How many times must you say you don't care about something? Many people don't find a single 35mm lens limiting, and in fact, find it liberating.

Very few people want to lug even 3lbs of gear around on a honeymoon.



Aug 15, 2023 at 12:59 PM
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RoamingScott wrote:
How many times must you say you don't care about something? Many people don't find a single 35mm lens limiting, and in fact, find it liberating.

Very few people want to lug even 3lbs of gear around on a honeymoon.


Well, it's pretty reasonable to respond, given that he quoted me and replied having a long post.

And I'd rather have a couple zooms

Why do people have to misquote or at least misconstrue my recommendation for one of the lightest cameras out there? You can easily leave off the 55-250 and get to 2lbs, 10-18+18-55 give 16-88 ff equivalent. Much more versatile than 35mm






Aug 15, 2023 at 01:27 PM
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I think you should recommend a camera that is good in low light, if you know what I mean....


Aug 15, 2023 at 02:29 PM
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Saeva wrote:
R50 with kit lens and 50 1.8 will be light and plenty good than a phone and it light weight and will not break a bank!


Good recommendation. Just make sure the kit lens is the 18-150. I'm liking this lens on my R7. Will work for scenery and surfing. Keep it simple; if not a cell phone then this.



Aug 15, 2023 at 02:46 PM
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My go to travel camera is the Sony RX1 (I have the I and the II). It’s so simple that I often hand it to my 4 year old daughter and she shoots with it on our neighborhood walks. I imagine the GR or the Fuji x100 whatever would be similar. A fixed 35 is the perfect travel companion. If you are used to zooms, it might sound bizarre, but it’s such a great feeling to strip down to a tiny camera with a tiny fixed lens.

For my honeymoon, I did take the oldest DSLR I could find in my closest (Nikon d40), and I threw on the lightest, plasticy kit zoom I could find (18-55?). I was going to the beach and I wanted a camera that I wouldn’t miss if it got lost or stolen or wet. It was the last time that I traveled with anything but my RX1.



Aug 15, 2023 at 06:32 PM
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AmbientMike wrote:
Only having 35mm FL like many film p&s's used to, just doesn't appeal to me. I used a 35mm FL p&s on film one time after I first got into photography, nice, compact, but very limiting.

Who's talking about 30lbs of gear? People love to say DSLR's are big and heavy, but mostly it's not true. The SL2 is about a pound, very light, as are the 10-18, 18-55, & even the 55-250 is light considering its ff equivalent and probably puts the camera even more ahead, given the tele capabilities. Under 3 lbs if you bought all 3 lenses,
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the 30lbs of gear is probably a me problem. but anytime I have a ILC I end up bringing too much gear, or getting frustrated and ending up with too little

currently packing for a trip to Iceland, and had a trip to Hawaii earlier in the year.

I'm admittedly not familiar with the SL2, but I still think a fixed length camera is the best for casual shooters or honeymoon experience

worry less about focal length, and just get out there and get shooting

AmbientMike wrote:
Well, it's pretty reasonable to respond, given that he quoted me and replied having a long post.

And I'd rather have a couple zooms

Why do people have to misquote or at least misconstrue my recommendation for one of the lightest cameras out there? You can easily leave off the 55-250 and get to 2lbs, 10-18+18-55 give 16-88 ff equivalent. Much more versatile than 35mm

I appreciate the response! don't worry.

Agree with the other guy that even 3lbs is a lot to carry. Or just more to worry about.

Although 16-88mm FF equiv is more versatile than 35mm hands down, I don't think it would make that much of a difference. Crop to get to 88mm if desired. You'd only be missing out on the wide angle, but it seems most people traveling rarely use UWA lenses anyways

Plus in the case of the Fuji, it has built in pano stitching which I find myself using all the time. no need to post process and you can go as wide as you'd like



Aug 15, 2023 at 10:55 PM
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Novices are not going to want primes in this era. They will expect a basic normal zoom with decent range. Even the cellphone with fixed lenses has a digital zoom function.

EBH



Aug 15, 2023 at 11:56 PM
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