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As I just got a Fuji X-T30 II as a "little-brother" for my A7III (so that also my 11yo son could photograph with me - but also as little personal fun camera), this lens is pretty high on my interest list. Not sure about the glowy look wide open, but maybe I could live with it. Juha had really great samples so far at f/1.2 and f/4, but I would love to see how the mid/long range rendering changes when you stop down. Been playing around a lot with film simulation recipes and this could work really great with the more film-like recipes. First I am buying the 23mm f/1.2 Nokton. After that, this would pair with it really great as a nice and small travel combo.

Just hoping Fred didn't forget to review this lens.



May 28, 2024 at 03:39 AM
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Tonzah78 wrote:
As I just got a Fuji X-T30 II as a "little-brother" for my A7III (so that also my 11yo son could photograph with me - but also as little personal fun camera), this lens is pretty high on my interest list. Not sure about the glowy look wide open, but maybe I could live with it. Juha had really great samples so far at f/1.2 and f/4, but I would love to see how the mid/long range rendering changes when you stop down. Been playing around a lot with film simulation recipes and this could work really great with
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Congrats on your new camera My personal favorites among the X-mount CV lenses are so far this 50/1.2, the 2 pancakes 18/2.8 & 27/2 (which can both be used at hard infinity for best results with long distance shots) and probably the 35/1.2. I also got 23/1.2 as my first CV X-mount lens but I didn't grow to enjoy that one as much as some of these others. For casual daily shooting the pancakes are really enjoyable. The 35/2 Macro is also great but it's better corrected and doesn't have as much character. I've been really into character lenses in recent times (not so much into vintage lenses but recent releases designed that way, such as select Voigtländers, most MS-Optics lenses, Kistar lenses).



May 28, 2024 at 04:57 AM
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Thanks! So far I'm really loving this little camera. I used to own X-T2 & X-T20 several years ago, but since then I sold all my Fuji gear and went all-Sony. And for that time I've missed these cameras quite a bit. Sony just feels just a bit too sterile as a camera. Playing around with the manual dials and film simulations are really making me photograph more again. These Voigtländers for Fuji were the thing that really brought me back to Fuji. Funny thing is, it was the native Voigtländers that tempted me to the "dark side" (Sony) a few years back. I love the output though, so I'm not gonna switch completely this time.

Hoping to see CV28/40/75 as my holy trinity on Sony one day... (One can dream.) And all the AF lenses as Fujinons (plus a few Voigtländer there as well). Currently I only have the XF33 which is a stellar lens.



May 28, 2024 at 05:23 AM
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Tonzah78 wrote:
As I just got a Fuji X-T30 II as a "little-brother" for my A7III (so that also my 11yo son could photograph with me - but also as little personal fun camera), this lens is pretty high on my interest list. Not sure about the glowy look wide open, but maybe I could live with it. Juha had really great samples so far at f/1.2 and f/4, but I would love to see how the mid/long range rendering changes when you stop down. Been playing around a lot with film simulation recipes and this could work really great with
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I just received my X-T30ii last week after offering up some unused gears for a trade. I got lucky with a deal I couldn't refuse for a "like new" copy in black. Indeed when I got it and checked, there were only 325 shutter actuations.

I must say, this is a sweet little camera that hits harder than its size would lead one to expect. I am blown away at the size and weight difference between it and my X-T5 and X-T2 which are both roughly similar. So far with my limited testing the IQ is awesome but I didn't have any reservations about it since I had used my X-T2 exclusively (now converted for IR) for a few years before getting my X-T5.

Here is a look at the CV 50/1.2 mounted to it. It balances very well and looks nicely proportional.

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I could only dream of having as many CV lenses as Juha has but I do have all the X-mount Cosina Voigtlander lenses (they are sorta like Pokemon it seems) and for travel I like either one of two triads...18/2.8, 27/2, 50/1.2 or 23/1.2, 35/1.2, 50/1.2 so obviously the 50mm is the common denominator. At the moment the 27/2 is probably my favorite and its so small that I end up bringing it along no matter what combo I end up taking.

Now with the addition of an X-T30ii to my stable, I have an even more compact travel kit...but some here know that I am patiently waiting to add a native X-mount CV 75mm or 90mm to take along with me



May 29, 2024 at 12:18 PM
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I just received my X-T30ii last week after offering up some unused gears for a trade. I got lucky with a deal I couldn't refuse for a "like new" copy in black. Indeed when I got it and checked, there were only 325 shutter actuations.

I must say, this is a sweet little camera that hits harder than its size would lead one to expect. I am blown away at the size and weight difference between it and my X-T5 and X-T2 which are both roughly similar. So far with my limited testing the IQ is awesome but I didn't
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I noticed you also have the QD Loop connectors. Just want to say, good taste



May 29, 2024 at 12:48 PM
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My personal favorites among the X-mount CV lenses are so far this 50/1.2, the 2 pancakes 18/2.8 & 27/2 (which can both be used at hard infinity for best results with long distance shots) and probably the 35/1.2. I also got 23/1.2 as my first CV X-mount lens but I didn't grow to enjoy that one as much as some of these others. For casual daily shooting the pancakes are really enjoyable. The 35/2 Macro is also great but it's better corrected and doesn't have as much character. I've been really into character lenses in recent times (not so
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Interesting to hear your thoughts on your whole collection of the X-mount CV lenses. I still only have the Noktons, 23/1.2 & 35/1.2. The 50/1.2 is a must, so I'm looking around for a decent price. I am drawn to the 18 & 27 because of their hard stop infinity focus. Would be so helpful and easy.

But my impression is that they both show quite a bit less character than the Noktons, and that's keeping me away from them so far. Since you mentioned you've been more into character lenses lately, is that also your impression, or is there something about them I'm missing? I have obviously followed the impressions and tests for them posted in the forums already.

Do you have any additional comments on the rendering from the 18 & 27?




May 30, 2024 at 04:03 AM
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twelveish wrote:
Interesting to hear your thoughts on your whole collection of the X-mount CV lenses. I still only have the Noktons, 23/1.2 & 35/1.2. The 50/1.2 is a must, so I'm looking around for a decent price. I am drawn to the 18 & 27 because of their hard stop infinity focus. Would be so helpful and easy.

But my impression is that they both show quite a bit less character than the Noktons, and that's keeping me away from them so far. Since you mentioned you've been more into character lenses lately, is that also your impression, or is there
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I often shoot both wide open close to mid-range type of shots focusing on some interesting objects, flowers or plants, food/drink, statues etc. and then stopped down infinity type shots focusing on city scenery, buildings, landscape etc. The 18 & 27mm excel on the stopped down infinity type shots and I like them most for their very compact size and ease of shooting those infinity type shots. I don't use them as much for the wide open type shots, although they do work for that as well (without having tons of classic style character though). 28mm in FF is also one of my favorite focal lengths and the CV 18/2.8 is my only native mirrorless lens with that focal length that also has electronic contacts. I have several adapted 28mm lenses for FF and Laowa 28/1.2 (but that has no electronic contacts and is a much bigger and heavier lens). Being fully native the small 18/2.8 is quite unique lens for me. Indeed these 18 & 27 are not the most appealing ones when it comes to strong character for wide open shots but their other aspects are very appealing for travel and casual walk-around shooting when doing more of the infinity type shots. I've used the 27/2 as a travel lens and it worked very nicely for that (before I had the 18/2.8). Next time when I want a minimalist camera setup for travel I could bring both of these lenses with my X-S10 and nothing else.

The 50/1.2 and 35/1.2 appeal more to my character lens taste especially when shot wide open. Neither of them is as convenient for stopped down shots since the hard infinity can't be utilized. 23/1.2 is sharper wide open and has quite much vignetting (which is automatically removed in SOOC JPEGs but fully visible when editing the Raw files in C1 Pro). I don't like its character as much as the 50/1.2 and 35/1.2 + it's also a bit inconvenient for infinity shots when compared to the 2 pancakes, so I haven't been drawn to it as much. To me it doesn't excel as much in either of my favorite shooting styles as the others. 35/2 also doesn't really appeal to my character lens taste since it's very well corrected, but it would work the best when shooting product shots or macro shots. However, I don't shoot those type of shots so often. It does work excellently for long distance stopped down shots but again hard infinity can't be utilized and takes some effort to focus it optimally for those, so I'd rather go with the pancakes for that.



May 30, 2024 at 04:27 AM
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Thanks Juha, much appreciated. Very tempting, especially the 27.


May 30, 2024 at 04:56 AM
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foto16 wrote:
I noticed you also have the QD Loop connectors. Just want to say, good taste


Thanks they are just fine for this camera as its fairly small and lite and I have heavier duty QD loops I use on the larger X-T5. I tend to not like excess bulk where its not needed and so they do the job well.

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The 50/1.2 and 35/1.2 appeal more to my character lens taste especially when shot wide open. Neither of them is as convenient for stopped down shots since the hard infinity can't be utilized. 23/1.2 is sharper wide open and has quite much vignetting (which is automatically removed in SOOC JPEGs but fully visible when editing the Raw files in C1 Pro). I don't like its character as much as the 50/1.2 and 35/1.2 + it's also a bit inconvenient for infinity shots when compared to the 2 pancakes, so I haven't been drawn to it as much. To me
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So far I like all the X-mount CV lenses and their different characteristics for different reasons. For sure that 27/2 is probably turning out to be my most used one of the bunch since its so small, convenient to use and has great rendering with a "little" CV character. That 18/2.8 is slowly starting to come in as my second most used one since. It's hard to beat how small they are when traveling around and their hard stop infinity is super useful. The classic character of the 23/1.2 and 35/1.2 are so nice and yield a very pleasing rendering wide open which may be a bit soft for some people but all one has to do is just stop down a bit. I do agree that the 35/1.2 has a much stronger character than the 23/1.2 but its still present...just more subtle. I have yet to use the 35 macro or 35/0.9 extensively to really say much about them...but of course they are more special use lenses anyway.

I tend to photograph in similar ways and with similar things/subjects as to what you have described. I do hike around a lot when we travel though so I like a short to medium tele to isolate features or things in the distance and sometimes I like to experiment with the compressive characteristics of such lenses. The short tele 50/1.2 is nice to have along in this regard...that is until I can get a suitable small medium tele like a 75 or 90 with full electronic communication to Fuji bodies It is relatively small and as you mentioned has that unique character wide open but can also be stopped down to provide nice details. A little tricky without that hard stop infinity and I'm still working out its quirks but on a hike I have time to slow down my process anyway.




May 30, 2024 at 11:35 AM
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I do agree that the 35/1.2 has a much stronger character than the 23/1.2 but its still present...just more subtle.


That's precicely why I chose to order the 23mm, instead of 35mm. I've found the 35mm has a bit too much "character" for my taste, from the samples I've seen. Seems that the 23mm indeed is somewhat more subtle in that way. Hoping it to become a similar option for me as the 40mm f/1.2 Nokton is with my Sony. We'll see soon enough. About to get both 23/1.2 and 50/1.2 at the same time within 1-2 weeks (according to the shop selling them).



May 31, 2024 at 02:58 AM
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I have only started using my Voigt 50 f/1.2 so my results are pretty preliminary. I find it more enjoyable to use than my XF 56. Sharpness seems a bit behind the Fuji lens, esp. wide open, and at the edges. Which is simply part of the way Voigtlander lenses are.

The Voight 50 seems a bit more clinical than the 35mm and 23mm Noktons. Bokeh is mostly smooth. I haven't seen as much 3D. So far.

The Voight is lighter and a bit skinnier than the Fuji but they are both about the same length. Obviously, manual focus is much better with the Voigt.

Sunstars from the CV are better than Fuji but not as nice as the shorter Noktons or the 27 Ultron.

My biggest issue with the Voigt 50 is that I just don't use 50mm much. I find the focal length is in the middle of my "boring" range. Too long for environmental shots, too short for telephoto work. I do very few portraits.



May 31, 2024 at 04:41 PM
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My biggest issue with the Voigt 50 is that I just don't use 50mm much. I find the focal length is in the middle of my "boring" range. Too long for environmental shots, too short for telephoto work. I do very few portraits.


For me 75mm eqv. has been one of my favourites when out with my family. Both for portraits and landscape. So it's a lens I'm waiting eagerly to get my hands on. I'm also waiting for the upcoming 75mm f/1.5 Nokton for my Sony (no release date yet though), which will be bigger - but so is the camera.



Jun 01, 2024 at 03:43 AM
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Tonzah78 wrote:
That's precicely why I chose to order the 23mm, instead of 35mm. I've found the 35mm has a bit too much "character" for my taste, from the samples I've seen. Seems that the 23mm indeed is somewhat more subtle in that way. Hoping it to become a similar option for me as the 40mm f/1.2 Nokton is with my Sony. We'll see soon enough. About to get both 23/1.2 and 50/1.2 at the same time within 1-2 weeks (according to the shop selling them).



Its a nice lens and has my second favorite effective focal length (~35mm). I'm used to FF thinking so my mind always defaults to it. Both the 23 and 35 are nice and that "character" can be tamped down by stopping down a bit...the 35 starts to lose that glow somewhere past f1.6 or so and begins to have a nice refined look. But of course most people buy lenses to use at their respective max apertures. The 23 has of course more field curvature but that's to be expected and considering its nice small size and weight (only a bit over 200g!) its a fine compromise and I don't find it to be an issue. Its so nice to have focus check for these CV lenses (I don't really use the distance scale so can't comment there) and I absolutely appreciate their craftmanship...they are just so nicely built as you already know.

I agree with your sentiments regarding the 50mm/1.2 (75mm effective focal length) however, ideally I would like something similar to the 90mm skopar I had on FF...so a 75mm CV native X-mount lens would be a nice focal length for landscape stuff as well.

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darwinphoto wrote:
My biggest issue with the Voigt 50 is that I just don't use 50mm much. I find the focal length is in the middle of my "boring" range. Too long for environmental shots, too short for telephoto work. I do very few portraits.



Oh no! You just summoned the voice of my dad up from his slumber..." if you're bored, it means your boring"...

Sigh...even after a 3 decades of adulting my own life his annoying little sayings still haunt me. Still he's the best old man I could have asked for



Here are some random CV 50/1.2 Utah photos with an X-T5 to keep it centric to the topic

Southern Utah Hike

Geological colors

Poser



Jun 01, 2024 at 09:17 AM
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I will start a review tomorrow on it.


Still hoping for a review of this lens...

I just did the unthinkable this summer and swapped my last Sony gear (A7III, CV21/3.5 and CV40/1.2) for a silver Fujifilm X-T5 body. So it's only Fujifilm from now on. I fell in love with the Fujifilm colours and tactile feel again on our trip to Karpathos in June. Didn't miss my Sony at all. So after the trip I decided to jump the ship completely.

From CV lenses I only own the 23mm Nokton which I love a lot. But until I can afford the 50mm Nokton, I got myself the ultra-cheap TTArtisan 50mm f/1.2 as a subtitute. If anyone has both, I really would love to hear how they compare. So far I'm pretty amazed how good the TTArtisan is, especially for the price.



Jul 29, 2024 at 08:15 AM
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As much as I love voigtlander lenses, I can hardly justify to buy this one for fuji x mount.
I have some other CV lenses on M mount for Leica, and even a LTM screw amount, and I actually do have a 18/f2.8 for fuji x.
But for this one 50mm f1.2, I am struggling to pull the trigger. I am more concerned to nail down the focus.
With this kind of focal length (eqv to 75mm ff) and aperture wide open at f1.2, the focal plane is extremely thin. Fuji X system is infamous for its AF system, and the manual focus assistance is even worse. Even with that 18mm/f2.8 I sometimes missed the focus with focus peaking.
Can anyone here with this 50mm/f1.2 comment on how the manual focus performs, and any tricks you can teach me?
I have adapted lots of M lenses on my Nikon Zf and focusing there is just phenomenal, Nikon focusing system, either AF or manual focus assistance/confirmation is just ages advanced than Fuji's



Jul 29, 2024 at 11:49 AM
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rollei35_warton wrote:
As much as I love voigtlander lenses, I can hardly justify to buy this one for fuji x mount.
I have some other CV lenses on M mount for Leica, and even a LTM screw amount, and I actually do have a 18/f2.8 for fuji x.
But for this one 50mm f1.2, I am struggling to pull the trigger. I am more concerned to nail down the focus.
With this kind of focal length (eqv to 75mm ff) and aperture wide open at f1.2, the focal plane is extremely thin. Fuji X system is infamous for its AF system, and the manual focus
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When it comes to depth of field, achieving precise focus isn’t too difficult, especially compared to using a 75mm f/1.2 full-frame lens. On the Fuji crop sensor, it’s more like using an f/1.8 lens in terms of depth of field. What sets the CV 50/1.2 Nokton X-mount apart from other Fuji lenses is its distinctive rendering. It excels in resolution and contrast, and its compact size is also a major advantage.



Jul 29, 2024 at 11:57 AM
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Tonzah78 wrote:
Still hoping for a review of this lens...

I just did the unthinkable this summer and swapped my last Sony gear (A7III, CV21/3.5 and CV40/1.2) for a silver Fujifilm X-T5 body. So it's only Fujifilm from now on. I fell in love with the Fujifilm colours and tactile feel again on our trip to Karpathos in June. Didn't miss my Sony at all. So after the trip I decided to jump the ship completely.

From CV lenses I only own the 23mm Nokton which I love a lot. But until I can afford the 50mm Nokton, I got myself the
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I'm still working on it. Sorry for the delay -- I've had a lot going on.



Jul 29, 2024 at 12:00 PM
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When it comes to depth of field, achieving precise focus isn’t too difficult, especially compared to using a 75mm f/1.2 full-frame lens. On the Fuji crop sensor, it’s more like using an f/1.8 lens in terms of depth of field. What sets the CV 50/1.2 Nokton X-mount apart from other Fuji lenses is its distinctive rendering. It excels in resolution and contrast, and its compact size is also a major advantage.


I read through the whole thread here and some other reviews online, I like the rendering and color/contrast, especially it's size comparing to fuji 56/1.2.
But I am trying to stay away from manual focus on fuji x system. It's not that I don't know how to manual focus (I come from leica rangefinder world). It's just manual focus assistance in fuji x system is so bad. Or was I doing something wrong? Other than focus peaking, anything else I can do to improve the focus? I have to zoom in a lot to figure out if the picture is in focus.
I used to have X-E3, and then X-T30, now have a x-t50. The EVF and LCD are all bad enough to look for focusing.
Before I invest another few hundred dollars on a manual focus lens for x system, I need to improve my focus skill first, I guess.



Jul 29, 2024 at 12:53 PM
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I'm still working on it. Sorry for the delay -- I've had a lot going on.


No worries. Totally understandable.

And I agree, with focus peaking and focus magnification nailing focus ain't really that hard even with f/1.2 lenses on fullframe (even thinner DoF than with crop sensor). I've been shooting with mostly manual lenses since switching to Fuji in 2015 and then to Sony in 2019 - and now back with Fuji. But I have to say that the EVF in X-T5 makes it even easier than with the smaller EVF bodies like with my X-T30II.

But also the lens can make a huge difference - if it ain't sharp enough, focus peaking doesn't have much to stick on. It can be a lot bigger problen than the thin depth of field itself (actually thin field makes it easier in my opinion). How would you rate this 50mm Nokton when shooting with f/1.2? With my TTArtisan it's actually pretty darn easy.



Jul 29, 2024 at 12:57 PM
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No worries. Totally understandable.

And I agree, with focus peaking and focus magnification nailing focus ain't really that hard even with f/1.2 lenses on fullframe (even thinner DoF than with crop sensor). I've been shooting with mostly manual lenses since switching to Fuji in 2015 and then to Sony in 2019 - and now back with Fuji. But I have to say that the EVF in X-T5 makes it even easier than with the smaller EVF bodies like with my X-T30II.

But also the lens can make a huge difference - if it ain't sharp enough, focus peaking doesn't have much
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My experience with manual focus lens on fuji focusing assistance is not very positive.
With big aperture like f2 or even f2.8, it's hard to nail a perfect focus.
With smaller aperture like f5.6 or f8, the peaking is too sensitive. Most of the time, almost everything in the picture is highlighted as "focused" because the focal plane is too thick. I just basically give up on manual focus on fuji x



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