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p.1 #1 · p.1 #1 · Directory structure for keepers vs non-keepers?


I'm always interested in learning about peoples' workflows, so I figured I'd share mine as far as file storage/management goes.

I currently use a folder structure like the one below. Essentially, I have one folder for the raw files (called Archive) which are imported by the date via lightroom.

Then I have another folder for the Exports (called Vault). All of the images are backed up to a secondary NAS, but the exports folder is backed up to Amazon S3 and periodically burned to Blu-Ray for archival. That can get kind of expensive, so I'm somewhat scrupulous with whether or not photos are really "keepers" or not.

The folder structure looks like:

/Pictures/Archive/2023/2023-08/...NIK123.NEF
/Pictures/Vault/2023/08-01-2023-Kids-Birthday-Party/NIK441.NEF

My workflow looks like:
1) Import from memory card to local machine
2) Cull and delete the completely unuseable photos. I use Lightroom's Star Ratings as the main tool to determine how useable the photo is. A 1-Star is "Completely unuseable - delete immediately", a 2-Star is "90% Unuseable - probably delete later", a 3-Star is "Useable with extensive edits," a 4-Star is "Useable with minimal or no edits," and a 5 is "Portfolio worthy."
3) Move all 2-Star + rated photos to the NAS
4) Edit
5) Export the keepers to /vault. I export both raws and jpegs of the keepers.








Aug 07, 2023 at 06:30 PM
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p.1 #2 · p.1 #2 · Directory structure for keepers vs non-keepers?


I delete images that don't cut the mustard right off the bat and backup all other images to both an external drive and to the cloud. Keep it simple is my approach.


Aug 07, 2023 at 07:27 PM
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p.1 #3 · p.1 #3 · Directory structure for keepers vs non-keepers?


I also delete non keepers in the first round. I use Canon DPP's - Quick Check - Full Screen for that. I plug the card in, open DPP and delete unwanted files. When done I create a folder on the desktop and name it based on the event/date then drag the files from DPP into it, which takes seconds. Then I drag that folder into LrC. After the previews are built I drag that folder from the desktop into the current year on the external drive called Photos. While I can import into the ED directly I just prefer my method.

As I decide which files I really want to work there may be more I delete or I'll rate the ones I like best. I don't keep those either. As for export I send Jpegs to a folder on the desktop again named by event and date. I keep those on the HD. Pre 2017 are in another - less organized folder.











LrC and OS RAW file directory, which are mirrored







OS Jpeg directory




Aug 07, 2023 at 09:11 PM
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p.1 #4 · p.1 #4 · Directory structure for keepers vs non-keepers?


I must be missing something. LR is a full data management system. LR retains all the edit settings for each photo(RAW) and versions (Virtual copies)within its database (lrcat file). The need to export fully edited photos to a different folder is not necessary. One can create within LR a combination of keywords, colors and/or collections to tag completed edits or virtual copies ready for jpg. This allows the user to quickly locate the photos. By doing this the untouched RAW photos can reside in one place on a drive without creating duplicates via exporting to a completed folder thus saving significant drive space. The only times I export a photo is when I'm going to print it (which I immediately delete after the print) OR to create a jpg to send to someone electronically (again after sending it's deleted).

The culling process is another thing all to itself. It can be done in LR but IMO takes a few extra steps. Specifically, going back in LR and deleting the actual photos that are not going to be edited. This becomes a personal thing to wrestle with, ie deleting photos vs keeping them 'just because'. Keeping them significantly increases the consumed space on the hard drive and it also increases the LR database file. Both at some point will have to be addressed. Adopting a tough approach on culling up front and only importing those remaining into LR keeps everything cleaner. To do that, I use a third party app for the culling process prior to importing what remains into LR. JMTC



Aug 08, 2023 at 06:52 AM
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p.1 #5 · p.1 #5 · Directory structure for keepers vs non-keepers?


Some time ago I read a post/article by someone questioning: why bother rating images for deletion? I.e. use the time to select images, rather than select images for deletion.

My basic workflow is that I make a first-pass through images and pick my 'selects.' I use Photo Mechanic and just give them a #2 color code (red). Use of #2 was partially based on where a finger comfortably rests or reaches on the keyboard, and also to give the option to use #1 for rarer, really excellent images, if desired. At this point I move the selects to their own 'selects' folder and the rest to an outtakes folder (all within the shoot's main folder). I do break the 'no deletion' rule slightly during this first pass if thumbnail images are clearly unusable, such as grossly out of focus or poorly exposed (i.e. flash didn't fire). But I use the majority of the culling time to pick selects.

Depending on the nature of the shoot, I may break the selects down further into subgroup tags, but not moved into their own subfolders. If I do this, it's usually to help with post processing workflow. For example, if an event took place in a variety of settings, I'll group each major setting separately so I can process each for a more consistent look. I prefer this when editing rather than bouncing back and forth with sometimes widely ranging LR adjustments if working in chronological order, which I find breaks the flow of editing. Sometimes I'll use the whole usable PM number/color tag range for subgroups. After these images are imported into LRC, I may then change those to LR's color classification, or use LR's own color classes if I wish further grouping refinement, in addition to those from PM, which LR distinguishes separately from its own.

After export, I may do another run through the images, particularly for clients, to cull similar images. For example I may have taken photos of someone early during an event and also later, but the later images have better expressions that I wouldn't have keyed in on during the first culling run. I'll remove those from the exported jpeg versions, but not the original RAW. A copy of the jpeg exports is kept in the shoot's main folder so that everything is together. I'll also put a copy of the LRC catalog here for easy access if needed. Unlike many, I make a new LRC catalog for each shoot, but if it's something like a trip, I'll make a trip catalog that may span multiple days and 'events.' While I appreciate the DAM aspects of maintaining a single master catalog, my past experience was that once the number of images got to a certain point, LR bogged down and negatively affected my editing flow. I'm also a little wary of putting everything in a single catalog in case of database corruption, or I make a stupid mistake that impacts a large portion of the catalog. For DAM purposes I use a different app (NeoFinder).

I generally don't delete outtakes, especially personal work. But I'm also not a birder with thousands of images per session from 20fps bursts. For most client work I will DNG convert outtakes with lossy compression to knock them down to anywhere from 1/3 to 2/3 the storage size of the originals. This retains some processing flexibility in the extremely rare case I need to revisit these images. I'll keep the original RAW outtakes and the lossy compressed DNG versions for a while until storage starts to fill up or I feel like doing a 'clean up' of the relevant HDDs, at which point the original RAW outtakes are deleted (but only if lossy compressed DNGs have been created).



Aug 08, 2023 at 07:47 AM
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p.1 #6 · p.1 #6 · Directory structure for keepers vs non-keepers?


oguruma wrote:
My workflow looks like:
1) Import from memory card to local machine
2) Cull and delete the completely unuseable photos. I use Lightroom's Star Ratings as the main tool to determine how useable the photo is. A 1-Star is "Completely unuseable - delete immediately", a 2-Star is "90% Unuseable - probably delete later", a 3-Star is "Useable with extensive edits," a 4-Star is "Useable with minimal or no edits," and a 5 is "Portfolio worthy."
3) Move all 2-Star + rated photos to the NAS
4) Edit
5) Export the keepers to /vault. I export both raws and jpegs of the keepers.


Sounds like a lot of work that results in a less-than-useful storage scenario.
1. I cull and star-rate during import into Capture One (works in LR as well). Now the program is aware of all images I think are good after a first pass.
2. Very careful second pass the keepers, keeping only the ones I think are useful. How ruthlessly I do this depends on the shoot: I'm a little more forgiving for birds/wildlife because "close" images may reveal different personality/behavior aspects; I'm pretty ruthless for landscapes because I don't need to keep "almost the same" images of those; I'm fairly critical of people portraits and so on. Totally personal "classification", resulting in only the keepers remaining in the library. I delete everything else.
3. Add keywords, IPTC metadata, etc. This is critical for being able to quickly find images later, regardless of my library's folder or catalog structures.
4. Edit/export as desired.
5. Backup to at least 1 (and usually 2-3) other disks. I keep my catalog on the computer's internal drive (faster), and photos on external drives (cheaper, easily expandable, more than sufficient performance), and backups include both the catalog and photos (it would be a Very Bad Day if I lost the catalog).

All of my images are kept in one place. If I had to use an external program for something, resulting in DNG, TIFF, or other formats, I add those to the library. I don't keep copies of JPEG/PNG derivatives that I email or upload, as I can always re-export them from C1 (or LR) if needed.



Aug 08, 2023 at 10:35 AM
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p.1 #7 · p.1 #7 · Directory structure for keepers vs non-keepers?


schlotz wrote:
I must be missing something. LR is a full data management system. LR retains all the edit settings for each photo(RAW) and versions (Virtual copies)within its database (lrcat file). The need to export fully edited photos to a different folder is not necessary. One can create within LR a combination of keywords, colors and/or collections to tag completed edits or virtual copies ready for jpg. This allows the user to quickly locate the photos. By doing this the untouched RAW photos can reside in one place on a drive without creating duplicates via exporting to a completed folder thus saving
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Yes. Sometimes the catalogue is misunderstood. it is just a data base that keeps a record of your edits. It has nothing to do with the files. Only reason for importing is so LrC can rad the metadata and most importantly knows where the files are located. A key element to its DAM system.

I've also read that LrC takes over and moves you files to some other location. Not true. Users have full control over that. It mirrors the OS and vice versa. I can open Canon's DPP, C1 Pro, Photolab, etc and the files imported by LrC will be where they are supposed to be.



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p.1 #8 · p.1 #8 · Directory structure for keepers vs non-keepers?


I use LR to flag rejects [X] in first round culling. Typically I fully deleted them when done reviewing a folder.

Before Lightroom, I moved raws to separate paths on disk.


└───yyyyMMdd
│ img001.raw

├───rejects
│ img002.raw

├───selects
│ img003.raw


I stopped moving files around in favor of using Lightroom to organize via metadata.


└───yyyyMMdd
│ img001.raw
│ img002.raw
│ img002.xmp
│ img003.raw
│ img003.xmp


Using a catalog alone to store the metadata has pluses and minuses depending on your overall file management scheme. I use sidecar XMP files to store metadata so all the image editing history is independent of the catalog. If you share images between different catalogs and apps, it simplifies the workflow. It does increase processing and storage overhead.

XMP files are also insurance against catalog loss or corruption. If your culling and editing history only exists in a lost catalog, you're left with only the raw images. You'd need to recreate all that editing work if the catalog is lost. While losing a catalog is not nearly as bad as losing your raw images, it is still can be a costly to recreate lost editing and tagging.



Aug 08, 2023 at 01:12 PM
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p.1 #9 · p.1 #9 · Directory structure for keepers vs non-keepers?


My workflow is as follows:
- import into LR
- culling, using P(pick) or X(reject)
- edit the "picks"
- after editing the picks, delete the rejected

I have all my images of the current year on my MBP, all other years (and backup of present year) are on an external SSD
Structure of the folders:
YEAR
YEAR-Month-EventDescription JPG
YEAR-Month-EventDescription RAW
YEAR-Month-DAY-Timestamp EventDescription (sequence number if necessary) (JPG, NEF, DNG, TIF, XMP)

At the end of the year I delete all the "not-picks" and JPG folders and backup this.
Delete the year and start a new year



Aug 08, 2023 at 01:29 PM
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p.1 #10 · p.1 #10 · Directory structure for keepers vs non-keepers?


- Import into LR (use right side panel to create new folder (M-D) under the current year folder)
- Go eat breakfast/lunch while importing if it was a busy morning.
- Cull all obvious rejects by rating [X].
- Delete all rejects from disk.
- Scan for and rate exceptional images a [5] and keeper images a [4]
This is the step where I really suck at this. It takes me a lot of time analyzing the fine details of each wildlife image for fine details / catch light in eyes / composition exposure / ISO settings.
I say ISO setting because I often take "safety" shots at higher ISO/shutter speeds then drop my shutter speed progressively until I reach the lowest possible ISO before motion blur or camera shake kicks in.

- At this point I'm getting sleepy and need to go take a nap from getting up so damn early.
- Leave all the unrated images in folder to either delete or edit with fresh eyes and newer software someday.
- Process the 5 star images if any.
- Process the 4 star images.

My file structure is simple.

Photo's
└──Year
---------├──Month / Day (with subject description)
----------------------------│──Finished Photo's





Aug 10, 2023 at 02:12 PM
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p.1 #11 · p.1 #11 · Directory structure for keepers vs non-keepers?


My two cents:

I adopted the technique after reading a book or viewing a video, I don’t remember.
I divide the shootings in “jobs”, using date and reason and inside each folder I divide the Rae’s from the edits from the rejects and the final jpgs, divided for print, web or whatever reason, like this:
JOBS
—├yyyymmdd_shoot-reason 1
——├─Raw
———├─SD1
———├─SD2
———├─…
——├─Rejects
——├─JPG
———├─Web
———├─Print
———├─…
——├─Edit

—├yyyymmdd_shoot-reason 2
——├─Raw
———├─SD1
———├─SD2
———├─…
——├─Rejects
——├─JPG
———├─Web
———├─Print
———├─…
——├─Edit

I keep the rejects, because you never know.
I will put them in a glacier hdd and after some time (around one year) they will be deleted.

If I edit a photo, via PS, Affinity, …, I will put the psd, tiff,… in the edit subfolder, to keep it separated from the raw.
With Lightroom it is not straightforward, but with a little bit of discipline it is possible.

The date at the begin of the root folder allows me to easily find by date, and the reason is always fundamental.

Ah, it is boring, I know, but i quickly tag all my images (shoot reason, location, weather, …) and I completely tag my “good” images: this allows me to find the, even via explorer/finder.

I have a second Lightroom catalog with all my “portfolio” photo, to show to friends/possible clients: it is amazing to open it and see only “WOW“ images, without searching them via the global catalog.

My workflow, finally, is the following:
- I create a folder for each shooting
- Copy all images from all cameras/SD to the rawSD# folder
- I backup the folder
- I import the folder in my working catalog
- I tag all my photos
- I cull the catalog
- I move the rejects to the rejects folder (via LR)
- I finish tagging
- I develop/edit
- I prepare the jpgs
Once this is done, I
- Move the rejects to glacier
- Move whole job folder to the global catalog
- Copy the best fotos to portfolio
- I backup again everything

Hope it helps.



Aug 11, 2023 at 12:30 AM
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p.1 #12 · p.1 #12 · Directory structure for keepers vs non-keepers?


I've worked hard to find a simple and condensed workflow that works for me, because I enjoy editing my photos to look better, but hate setting aside the time to do so (if that makes sense)


  1. Open card in LRC or Bridge (depending on my mood, usually just LRC)
  2. Sort through photos and cull out obvious stinkers (out of focus, bad comp etc)
  3. Select photos that I think have potential to at least edit or crop
  4. Edit said photos
  5. Wait at least 2 hours if not longer and come back to re-edit photos (if needed) with fresh eyes
  6. Choose my best/most liked edits as "keepers" using the star rating system
  7. Export finished keepers to output folders - full sized JPG and instagram-sized JPG


Everything else gets deleted - a luxury of not being a professional. If I don't like it the first time I don't need to keep it. The one exception is photos of loved ones and friends. You never know with those, so I always keep them in case I want to go back



Aug 11, 2023 at 07:13 AM
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p.1 #13 · p.1 #13 · Directory structure for keepers vs non-keepers?


I just create a new variant in the catalogue for each new edit in C1. Even without filter by star or tag, it's pretty obvious which were "keepers" and which were not. Only new folders needed are the ones created and dated automatically by Windows upon import onto the computer. To avoid spending time organizing RAW files by folder... that's why cataloguing software like LR and C1 exist after all.

As for deleting files, I only deleted the ones with obvious technical errors, like out of focus. What looks like a "keeper" and what doesn't might change years from now. RAW file is 20MB, and 2TB external HDD is cheap. No point in wasting time permanently deleting files.



Aug 11, 2023 at 01:07 PM







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