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I wanted to get some advice on a back drives for my new MacBook Pro. I went from a 2TB drive on my old MacBook Pro to going for the 8TB option for the new new M2 MacBook Pro. The larger internal SSD drive allowed me to save all of my photos in one place for now (currently I’ve got around 4.2TB in my photo library and 5.1TB in total on my drive right now.

My old Time Machine backup drives were 4TB and 5TB Sandisk G-Drive and and G-drive armour. These are no longer options for Time Machine Backups on the new MacBook Pro.

I’ve been looking for some alternative options and from what I’ve been told in the past is to get backup Time Machine drives that are at least 2 times the size of the hard drive.

I’ve been considering the following options for my Time Machine pickups and wanted to get some advice on whether these are good options:
1. WD 16TB Elements Desktop External Hard Drive, USB 3.0 External Hard Drive - $329 CDN
https://www.amazon.ca/gp/aw/d/B08KTRKB6S?psc=1&ref=ppx_pop_mob_b_asin_title

2. Seagate Expansion 16TB External Hard Drive HDD - USB 3.0 - $379 CDN
https://www.amazon.ca/gp/aw/d/B091J9WYYG/ref=ox_sc_saved_image_1?smid=A3DWYIK6Y9EEQB&psc=1

3. Fantom Drives FD 8TB 7200RPM External Hard Drive - USB 3.2 Gen 1-5Gbps - GForce 3 a $279
https://www.amazon.ca/gp/aw/d/B073JF992B/ref=ox_sc_saved_image_2?smid=A1BKCYQGK0QCS0&psc=1

4. SanDisk Professional 12TB G-Drive Enterprise-Class External Desktop Hard Drive - 7200RPM Ultrastar HDD Inside, USB-C (10Gbps), USB 3.2 Gen 2, Mac Ready - $488
https://www.amazon.ca/gp/aw/d/B0BB8TPT2W/ref=ox_sc_saved_image_1?smid=A3DWYIK6Y9EEQB&psc=1

The last two seem to be the fastest, but seem to have more mixed reviews, and the review for the last drive (Sandisk) are horrible for reliability on B&H’s site (reviews on Amazon are pretty good).

Anyway I was hoping to get some advice on drive options, and some advice if there other options for Time Machine backups if Time Machine backups can be split between drives.












Aug 05, 2023 at 10:58 PM
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p.1 #2 · p.1 #2 · Time Machine backup option for MacBook Pro


The cheaper HDDs are likely SMR (shingled magnetic recording). If you're not familiar with SMR, search SMR vs. CMR or PMR. SMR can run into significant write slowdowns if there is a lot of rewriting and early in the SMR product cycle the drives were advertised as 'archive' drives, where you'd typically write once and then just read content, rather than frequently updating it. Not sure how Time Machine works but suspect there's probably a lot of re-writing happening. That's the 'problem' now when buying drives in an enclosure - you really don't know what exactly you're getting.

In your case, I'd look at non-base level bare HDDs, for example one option would be WD Red Plus and Pro models, which are advertised as CMR. Seagate and Toshiba also have CMR options. Another tell-tale sign is that 7200 rpm drives are probably CMR. Just put it in an enclosure or use it in a HDD dock or sled.



Aug 06, 2023 at 02:32 AM
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Since Time Machine runs in the background and is incremental I would not worry as much about speed as reliability.

With a laptop, running Time Machine on a NAS is handy. Nothing to plug in. Get a 2 drive NAS. You can run in JBOD mode and use one drive for Time Machine and the other drive for copying files as a second backup using ChronoSync or Carbon Copy Cloner. Whenever your MacBook is connected to your home network it will backup automatically.

Don't forget about offsite backup. If only photos you can use Amazon Photos if you are a Prime member. Otherwise something like BackBlaze is a good option. This would be in case your house burns down, you get struck by lightning, hit with a virus or someone steals everything.



Aug 06, 2023 at 08:10 AM
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Thanks for the advice, just been reading up on CMR drives and enclosures. Leaning toward the WD Red pro 16tb, unsure on which enclosure to get - lot of mixed reviews.

One question I did have as that with CMR NAS drives like the WD Red Pro, did you have to keep the running 24/7?? I read one article that said there if you turn them on/off plug/unplug, it can degrade their life, since are supposed to be continuously spinning. Is that true It’s kind like of confusing, because most of the enclosure reviews i read, caution about overheating. Wouldn’t it be better to keep the drive/enclosure switched off to avoid overheating

rscheffler wrote:
The cheaper HDDs are likely SMR (shingled magnetic recording). If you're not familiar with SMR, search SMR vs. CMR or PMR. SMR can run into significant write slowdowns if there is a lot of rewriting and early in the SMR product cycle the drives were advertised as 'archive' drives, where you'd typically write once and then just read content, rather than frequently updating it. Not sure how Time Machine works but suspect there's probably a lot of re-writing happening. That's the 'problem' now when buying drives in an enclosure - you really don't know what exactly you're getting.

In your case,
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Aug 06, 2023 at 08:45 AM
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Thanks for the suggestion - I was looking at getting two drives and two separate enclosures - I’m avoiding using cloud storage and in the past have kept a drive in our bank safe deposit.

If I’m not interested in setting up a network, but do want to have two drives, is more cost effective getting a disk duplicator for around $50??! I tend to only do Time Machine backups and hen doing a lot of processing, or downloading large chunks of files from my cfast/dd cards. If that’s the case, can I just plug in the drives when being used , or should the drives always be turned on, so they are continuously spinning

Gregory Edge wrote:
Since Time Machine runs in the background and is incremental I would not worry as much about speed as reliability.

With a laptop, running Time Machine on a NAS is handy. Nothing to plug in. Get a 2 drive NAS. You can run in JBOD mode and use one drive for Time Machine and the other drive for copying files as a second backup using ChronoSync or Carbon Copy Cloner. Whenever your MacBook is connected to your home network it will backup automatically.

Don't forget about offsite backup. If only photos you can use Amazon Photos if you are a
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Aug 06, 2023 at 08:57 AM
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Would the following setup work:
- DRIVE: Western Digital 16TB WD Red Pro NAS Internal Hard Drive HDD - 7200 RPM, SATA 6 Gb/s, CMR, 256 MB Cache, 3.5" - WD161KFGX
https://www.amazon.ca/gp/aw/d/B08K3VVKSW/ref=ox_sc_act_image_3?smid=A3DWYIK6Y9EEQB&psc=1

ENCLOSURE: 2 options below - I prefer the usb 3.1 usb type c with my my MacBook Pro, but option 2 is get a usb 3 enclosure with a cooling fan
1 - Vantec NST-371C31-BK NexStar Gx USB 3.1 Gen 2 Type-C 3.5" Sata HDD/SSD Enclosure

https://www.amazon.ca/Vantec-NexStar-Enclosure-Aluminum-NST-371C31-BK/dp/B07CYQPWD9/ref=mp_s_a_1_2?crid=2O9ZZGZ7GN6I0&keywords=Vantec+NexStar+HX+3.5in+SATA+III+Hard+Drive+Enclosure+w%2F+Fan%2C+USB+3.0&qid=1691338507&sprefix=vantec+nexstar+hx+3+5in+sata+iii+hard+drive+enclosure+w%2F+fan%2C+usb+3+0%2Caps%2C125&sr=8-2

2 - Vantec Nexstar 3.5” Drive enclosure with cooling fan
https://www.amazon.ca/Vantec-NexStar-Drive-Enclosure-NST-387S3-BK/dp/B0851VT3WF/ref=mp_s_a_1_1?crid=2O9ZZGZ7GN6I0&keywords=Vantec+NexStar+HX+3.5in+SATA+III+Hard+Drive+Enclosure+w%2F+Fan%2C+USB+3.0&qid=1691338507&sprefix=vantec+nexstar+hx+3+5in+sata+iii+hard+drive+enclosure+w%2F+fan%2C+usb+3+0%2Caps%2C125&sr=8-1



Aug 06, 2023 at 10:25 AM
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You might also want at least one dedicated backup drive for your photos. Remember: if your Mac needs repair, all of the data stored on it goes off with it. And, as it's SoC, it's likely that if anything needs to be replaced, your data's gone. That's one reason I never store my photos on Apple's non-removable built-in drives.

While Time Machine's great, for your photos I'd recommend using Carbon Copy Cloner, ChronoSync, or SuperDuper! to backup at least your photos to 1 or more external drives. Backups are relatively easy to configure with all of these apps.

Side note: I regularly process my photos on either of 2 Macs, and having the photos + Capture One catalog (or LR library) on an external drive makes moving my work among the machines pretty trivial.



Aug 06, 2023 at 10:41 AM
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Thanks for the reply. I’m backing up all my photos as well on two separate external drives. I’ve got my older photos saved on two g-force 4tb drives, and the newer ones with some of the older ones that were processed in DPP, but is like to reprocess in LR on the 5TB drive I got last Black Friday to be the Time Machine backup drive for my old MacBook.

I usually like having 3-4 drives with just photos and 2 for my Time Machine. And I keep one of the drives with photos in a safe deposit box (prefer that to going to the cloud!).

Abbott Schindl wrote:
You might also want at least one dedicated backup drive for your photos. Remember: if your Mac needs repair, all of the data stored on it goes off with it. And, as it's SoC, it's likely that if anything needs to be replaced, your data's gone. That's one reason I never store my photos on Apple's non-removable built-in drives.

While Time Machine's great, for your photos I'd recommend using Carbon Copy Cloner, ChronoSync, or SuperDuper! to backup at least your photos to 1 or more external drives. Backups are relatively easy to configure with all of these apps.

Side note: I
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I've been buying GTechnology drives for a long time and run one for Time Machine and two others mirroring each other. I've only had one failure since 1998 and I broke out a replacement and copied from the matching drive.


Aug 06, 2023 at 03:10 PM
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I have one of these:

https://eshop.macsales.com/item/OWC/TB3IVKIT000U/

I have it connected to my Mac Mini. I use it a JBOD enclosure.
-Drive 1 is my user folder. I use the internal SSD for the OS only
-Drive 2 is my Time Machine drive
-Drive 3 is my photos backup
-Drive 4 is my Videos backup

I use Chronosync to keep the photos and video drive backed up

OWC (macsales) is goo to go




Aug 06, 2023 at 06:19 PM
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I also agree with those that prioritize reliability over speed.
For a fairly broad comparison of backup drives, here is some reliability data published by BackBlaze on the disk drives they use (total over 240,000 drives).
Hope the columns line up. Look at the Annual Failure Rate for each (AFR)

MFG Model Size Count (months) Days Failures AFR
HGST HMS5C4040ALE640 4TB 3621 83 326504 4 0.45%
HGST HMS5C4040BLE640 4TB 11934 80 1083231 22 0.74%
HGST HUH728080ALE600 8TB 1115 62 99279 9 3.31%
HGST HUH728080ALE604 8TB 90 71 8094 3 13.53%
HGST HUH721212ALE600 12TB2606 45 232974 0 0.00%
HGST HUH721212ALE604 12TB13203 27 1181748 42 1.30%
HGST HUH721212ALN604 12TB10537 51 941603 164 6.36%
Seagate ST4000DM000 4TB 17899 92 1607828 167 3.79%
Seagate ST6000DX000 6TB 883 98 80411 3 1.36%
Seagate ST8000DM002 8TB 9354 81 842239 114 4.94%
Seagate ST8000NM000A 8TB 153 12 12088 0 0.00%
Seagate ST8000NM0055 8TB 14118 69 1270271 215 6.18%
Seagate ST10000NM0086 10TB1124 66 100772 34 12.31%
Seagate ST12000NM0007 12TB1214 44 109092 25 8.36%
Seagate ST12000NM0008 12TB19677 39 1763868 157 3.25%
Seagate ST12000NM1G 12TB13029 30 1157666 44 1.39%
Seagate ST14000NM18 14TB 60 14 5111 2 14.28%
Seagate ST14000NM001G 14TB10790 29 968724 52 1.96%
Seagate ST14000NM0138 14TB1458 31 131819 37 10.25%
Seagate ST16000NM1G 16TB27255 15 2242685 54 0.88%
Seagate ST16000NM002J 16TB309 13 27513 0 0.00%
Toshiba MD04ABA400V 4TB 94 97 8366 0 0.00%
Toshiba HDWF180 8TB 61 19 5577 3 19.63%
Toshiba MG07ACA14TA 14TB 38101 32 3426456 133 1.42%
Toshiba MG07ACA14TEY 14TB 616 24 52749 1 0.69%
Toshiba MG08ACA16TA 16TB 5199 14 467288 4 0.31%
Toshiba MG08ACA16TE 16TB 5923 21 527557 21 1.45%
Toshiba MG08ACA16TEY 16TB 5289 19 470668 0 0.00%
WDC WUH721414ALE6l4 14TB 8432 31 759062 16 0.77%
WDC WUH721816ALE6L0 16TB 2697 21 239957 0 0.00%
WDC WUH721816ALE6l4 16TB 14099 9 1256975 13 0.38%
Totals 240940 21408175 1339 2.28%



Aug 06, 2023 at 08:50 PM
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The problem with that type of data is that commonly by the time there are enough hours and samples to be meaningful that drive is already EOL or changed. Performance is pretty close between brand models in the same market segments. I'm no fan of external drives unless in a NAS or DAS configuration.

EBH



Aug 06, 2023 at 09:48 PM
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rscheffler wrote:
The cheaper HDDs are likely SMR (shingled magnetic recording). If you're not familiar with SMR, search SMR vs. CMR or PMR. SMR can run into significant write slowdowns if there is a lot of rewriting and early in the SMR product cycle the drives were advertised as 'archive' drives, where you'd typically write once and then just read content, rather than frequently updating it. Not sure how Time Machine works but suspect there's probably a lot of re-writing happening. That's the 'problem' now when buying drives in an enclosure - you really don't know what exactly you're getting.

In your case,
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khurram1 wrote:
Thanks for the advice, just been reading up on CMR drives and enclosures. Leaning toward the WD Red pro 16tb, unsure on which enclosure to get - lot of mixed reviews.

One question I did have as that with CMR NAS drives like the WD Red Pro, did you have to keep the running 24/7?? I read one article that said there if you turn them on/off plug/unplug, it can degrade their life, since are supposed to be continuously spinning. Is that true It’s kind like of confusing, because most of the enclosure reviews i read, caution about overheating. Wouldn’t it
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Yeah, I've read comments that the NAS optimized drives are less tolerant of certain drive errors and 'give up trying' when something isn't working right and it bricks the drive as a precaution (because in theory its in a RAID array and will just get replaced). I've been buying the WD Red Plus and Pro for a while now, in part because I use a couple multi-bay enclosures, though both are only JBOD. In theory, with up to 5 drives running sometimes, there are some vibrations and the NAS optimized drives are designed to deal with this. Also, the Red Plus and equivalents from other brands are the entry point to 'guaranteed' CMR platters, though you have to be careful because I think the base Red models are SMR.

During the Amazon Prime Day sale Amazon had a pretty good price on the Red Pro 18TB but I was too slow... however B&H had it priced similar and I bought two. One was DOA. Sounded like it would spin up but no head seeking sounds, and Disk Utility didn't detect it. The drive failure alarm in one of my enclosures was trigged by it... It's the first problem I've had with Red drives. The other drive seems fine, so far.

Regarding enclosures: I haven't shopped around much. Maybe check OWC/Macsales. They have Canadian fulfillment now, IIRC. You can also buy some of their products from B&H with free shipping to Canada. Last Black Friday I bought a Sabrent 5-bay enclosure and quite like it. It's only USB-3 of some flavour, but I only use it with spinning drives, which are the bottleneck. Maybe check some their enclosures?



Aug 06, 2023 at 11:15 PM
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At some point managing multiple drives became a real PITA for me. Growing tired dealing with them I set out to simplify storage into a one stop shop and went with a NAS from QNAP. Once up and running (very easy BTW) I re-adjusted Carbon Copy to do all of the backing up to the NAS instead. You can also schedule it to make an additional copy to a large external drive which can be taken off site for safe storage.

FYI, the NAS is a 6 bay unit populated with 5-8 TB drives with the 6th slot empty but can be used to add another drive to increase storage if/when necessary. The NAS also provides direct Thunderbolt connection which eliminates the concern regarding slow access. Read/Writes to it are 1700/900 via BlackMagic testing. Life is now simplified, backups are done automatically and everything is in one place. YMMV because a NAS isn't for everyone, but don't let it scare you off from exploring what it can do help consolidate storage and make access easier.



Aug 07, 2023 at 07:22 AM
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schlotz wrote:
At some point managing multiple drives became a real PITA for me. Growing tired dealing with them I set out to simplify storage into a one stop shop and went with a NAS from QNAP. Once up and running (very easy BTW) I re-adjusted Carbon Copy to do all of the backing up to the NAS instead. You can also schedule it to make an additional copy to a large external drive which can be taken off site for safe storage.

FYI, the NAS is a 6 bay unit populated with 5-8 TB drives with the 6th slot empty but
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This is why I suggested a NAS. Simple, automated backups without a lot of manual work is best.

A good quality multiple drive enclosure is good. Setup Time Machine on one and backups on the others.



Aug 07, 2023 at 07:43 AM
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Thank you for the tip about Amazon Photos - I had no idea that it even existed!

Off to upload a couple of terabytes of photos to Amazon...



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