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Canon R6 Tamron 85mm1.8

The Kiss by Clyde Cornett

Aug 04, 2023 at 06:45 AM

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p.1 #2 · p.1 #2 · The Kiss

Nice angle for the bride and groom. Too bad that guy got in front a bit (a groomsman?). The look on the pastor’s face is great!

Aug 11, 2023 at 09:40 AM

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p.1 #3 · p.1 #3 · The Kiss

If this is the only image from the first kiss.... then a little disappointing.
Reality... this is good story telling.
There are unseen lines directing the viewer to the kiss.
There are layers to the image.

I disagree with you on the gentleman being in the way is a bad thing.

I would throw a slight vignette on the image.
skin tones look spot on.

Aug 12, 2023 at 12:40 PM

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p.1 #4 · p.1 #4 · The Kiss

Ziffl3 wrote:
If this is the only image from the first kiss.... then a little disappointing.
Reality... this is good story telling.
There are unseen lines directing the viewer to the kiss.
There are layers to the image.

I disagree with you on the gentleman being in the way is a bad thing.

I would throw a slight vignette on the image.
skin tones look spot on.

I find this an interesting response. Especially the part about being disappointing if it's the only one. What do you find disappointing in it? You only gave positive feedback.

The photo is a good photo. It's sharp it's well composed, the processing is clean and natural. I really like it. But the comment above made me think about it more....maybe I wouldn't want that other guy standing there if I was the couple. But as viewer (and not the couple) I really like it for other reasons Ziffl3 mentioned. The lines, the layers. I kinda want to say it's like the difference between a staged shot and a journalistic shot. This feels like a really good journalistic shot. Personally, I almost always play it safe on the kiss and put myself center aisle, but sometimes they sneak up on you out of position.

We as views also don't know the layout of the scene other than this shot. Maybe this was the best position to be in, maybe not. It's too bad that us photographers can't get more credit and pats on the back for the things people don't see. For all we know their was 4 trash cans, a porty pottie, and countless other unsightly things this photographer avoided. Anyway...nice shot.

Aug 18, 2023 at 04:13 PM

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p.1 #5 · p.1 #5 · The Kiss

Nathan Padgett wrote:
I find this an interesting response. Especially the part about being disappointing if it's the only one. What do you find disappointing in it? You only gave positive feedback.

The photo is a good photo. It's sharp it's well composed, the processing is clean and natural. I really like it. But the comment above made me think about it more....maybe I wouldn't want that other guy standing there if I was the couple. But as viewer (and not the couple) I really like it for other reasons Ziffl3 mentioned. The lines, the layers. I kinda want to say it's like...Show more →

I just said "little" disappointing .... meaning I would want a clean shot of just the couple for completeness.
Otherwise..... and I typed "reality".....

Aug 18, 2023 at 05:53 PM

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p.1 #6 · p.1 #6 · The Kiss

Nathan Padgett wrote:
I find this an interesting response. Especially the part about being disappointing if it's the only one. What do you find disappointing in it? You only gave positive feedback.

The photo is a good photo. It's sharp it's well composed, the processing is clean and natural. I really like it. But the comment above made me think about it more....maybe I wouldn't want that other guy standing there if I was the couple. But as viewer (and not the couple) I really like it for other reasons Ziffl3 mentioned. The lines, the layers. I kinda want to say it's like...Show more →
First of all thanks. as I was one of two second shooters plus the lead and also a video guy was present I was limited as to position especially not wanting to be in their way. The guy in front was the best man. This was my second time shooting a wedding and I quite enjoyed it.

[url=https://flic.kr/p/2oT7ao3]

5X2A1717 by Clyde Cornett

Aug 18, 2023 at 09:58 PM

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p.1 #7 · p.1 #7 · The Kiss

As a second shooter you captured great well composed alternative angles. Well done.

Sep 13, 2023 at 09:28 PM

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p.1 #8 · p.1 #8 · The Kiss

Great photo. Shooting the ceremony indoors, you don't always get the benefit of bright ambient light. The R6 is great at low light, better than most cameras for weddings where you need high ISO. I like the best man in the photo as he's part of their story. Being one of a few photographers, I'm sure the couple has the classic, down the aisle too. This angle simply adds value to the album. Nicely done.

Sep 15, 2023 at 07:18 AM

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p.1 #9 · p.1 #9 · The Kiss

crteach wrote:
Nice angle for the bride and groom. Too bad that guy got in front a bit (a groomsman?). The look on the pastor’s face is great!

I agree. One thing you never should do is overlap subjects. He can be in the frame but I would’ve moved to the left.

Not only do they overlap but then it’s a clump of people on the right and empty on the left. It’s unbalanced. The strange square crop may be an attempt to balance the photo and have everyone clumped more in the center.

Although I agree it’s a good moment. They may even like the picture.

Sep 16, 2023 at 06:22 PM

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p.1 #10 · p.1 #10 · The Kiss

I thought Carlos was banned.

Sep 16, 2023 at 09:10 PM

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p.1 #11 · p.1 #11 · The Kiss

+1 that the role of the second shooter is to produce the more PJ (main shooter can only be in one place at a time) or environmental shots, than the "classic" or "by the book" shots of main shooter. As a main shooter (long ago, i.e. '80s), I had my shot list, and of course, the kiss was on that list. Outside of that list, the "freedom to roam" was a secondary function.

With that understanding of the OP's mission (what it was vs. what it was NOT), it isn't the role of the second shooter to replicate the shots of the main shooter, rather to augment. If folks look at this shot as though the OP was the main shooter, they may think "half empty". Taking the shot into consideration as the role of second shooter, folks should be thinking "3/4 or full" (imo).

Bearing in mind, that the second shooter has clear instructions to NOT be in the way of the main shooter ... the second shooter MUST choose alternate lines from which to shoot. The second shooter, therefore should NOT PRODUCE the same idyllic shot that is the mission of the main shooter. What we don't know is what options were available. I'm of the perspective that if there had been a different line available, the OP would have done so.

That said ... I would love to see the OP in monochrome conversion (and maybe a portrait orientation crop for the vertically implied lines), as this is a very nice capture of the moment in time, and with the environmental context the groomsman provides. Harness what the groomsman offers, rather than dismiss it, or fight it. If the (foreground) mass of the groomsman has a bit of pull, there are editing options to help contend with that.

Nicely seen, timed and captured. 1st shooter is in your future.

Sep 17, 2023 at 07:45 AM

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p.1 #12 · p.1 #12 · The Kiss

About overlapping subjects? Well Meyerowitz and Robert Frank are two of many that did it. The first image you have the out of focus guy applauding in the foreground. That subject placement gives the image a depth it wouldn't have otherwise. It also shows how he and thus the crowd approves of the kiss and thus the ceremony. But keeping the focus clearly on the couple. There is a famous Robert Frank photograph "Movie Premiere, Hollywood, 1956" that has a similar approach.

Overlappping subjects? See Robert Franks "Motorcycle Rider, Newburgh, New York (from The Americans), Listen to God, New York 1955, just to point out a few and Meyerowitz has many images that have overlapping subjects. There are so many more examples that can be shown and from many different great photographers so take a lot of online advice with a grain of salt.

Like Kent I like the first image. I think it shows the emotion of not only the couple but the people watching. Well done..

Allen

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Sep 17, 2023 at 09:01 AM

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p.1 #13 · p.1 #13 · The Kiss

Thanks guys this means a lot coming from such talented photographers. This was my second time as a second shooter as he called me back to help out. Getting to know how he operates it's only common sense to know not to "get" in the way. The other shooter was knelling in front as I was 3/4 down the right aisle and the main and video guy were in the rear. Yes he gives instructions and I follow without question as it should be. The best man couldn't be avoided and yes I think he adds depth to the shot. This was my third position during the ceremony. Again thanks for the kind words!

This is for Allen

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5X2A1635-Enhanced-NR by Clyde Cornett, on Flickr[/url]

Sep 18, 2023 at 08:46 AM

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p.1 #14 · p.1 #14 · The Kiss

Well done.

Sep 18, 2023 at 09:15 AM

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p.1 #15 · p.1 #15 · The Kiss

Nice work from a fellow wedding photographer (NYC)!

May 09, 2024 at 07:33 PM

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p.1 #16 · p.1 #16 · The Kiss

Nice.

If I didn't have the RF 85mm 1.2, the Tamron 85mm you wrote about would be my choice. Likewise if I ever decide to lighten my kit with a smaller 85mm. That lens is wonderful.

May 25, 2024 at 11:10 PM

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p.1 #17 · p.1 #17 · The Kiss

if you were the primary then this might have been disappointing but as a second when you are limited to where you can stand and you dont want to duplicate what the primary is doing then this is excellent, If I got bored I'd edit out the best man and see how that looks as well. But it is a very nice shot.

May 29, 2024 at 08:33 PM

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p.1 #18 · p.1 #18 · The Kiss

Excellent photos from a second shooter. I'd be happy with these delivered to me!

Jul 24, 2024 at 12:34 AM


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