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One big purchase opportunity, what would you choose?

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p.2 #1 · p.2 #1 · One big purchase opportunity, what would you choose?

Forget about the R1 or R5II. We have no idea what those bodies will be.

Take that burning hot cash and treat yourself to a super nice RF 500mm f/4.5 (still fictional for a couple more months) or grab the RF 100-300 plus both RF TC's.
Either of those lenses would serve you well for the rest of your life regardless of your daughter only playing for a couple more years. If you go with the 100-300, I'd sell your aging 100-400II to help reduce the pain a little.
Don't forget, you can always sell said lenses several years down the road for minimal loss so long as you take good care of them.

Aug 03, 2023 at 09:38 AM

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p.2 #2 · p.2 #2 · One big purchase opportunity, what would you choose?

Robin Smith wrote:
I would probably get the R5ii. If you can't really think of why you need a lens, you don't need it. As others say your daughter will not be playing soccer for much longer. It is not as though you must have shots of her from a long way away rather than closer, they won't necessarily be any better, and let's be honest how many shots do you need? I have probably 1000 good shots of my son playing basketball. He doesn't look at them. I only need to see a max of 20-100 going forward. He no longer...Show more →

I shoot the whole team while they play. Normally with my EF 100-400 II and very often with the 1.4x. Haven't really been wishing for more resolution, but I rented a 120-300 2.8 and really liked the depth of field. Just a little short. The 400 2.8 would rock, but I think I'd miss the zoom. 200-400 is a well designed middleground. The 100-300 with the rumored variable TC would be the best, but outside of the budget by a large margin. Again, none of this is a need, but a splurge.

Can they hurry up and release the R5II specs already!!?!?!? lol

-Brian

Aug 03, 2023 at 09:50 AM

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p.2 #3 · p.2 #3 · One big purchase opportunity, what would you choose?

PicGuy wrote:
It seems to me that, for you, the R5/2 is the camera to wait for. It will likely get a big bump in resolution, AF ability and sensor performance among may other improvements. If I were in your position I would use the bulk of your fund to go to places that will give you the photo opportunities you desire if this is feasible. You could buy a camera and just sit tight until you find something compelling enough to spend your money on. Also, when I find myself having a hard time making a decision, it is best for...Show more →

I'm not in a hurry. R5II and R1 not even announced yet....so I'm in the 'planning' phase - which my wife alternately refers to as the 'obsessing' phase and the 'over-thinking' phase.

-Brian

Aug 03, 2023 at 09:52 AM

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p.2 #4 · p.2 #4 · One big purchase opportunity, what would you choose?

lighthound wrote:
Forget about the R1 or R5II. We have no idea what those bodies will be.

Take that burning hot cash and treat yourself to a super nice RF 500mm f/4.5 (still fictional for a couple more months) or grab the RF 100-300 plus both RF TC's.
Either of those lenses would serve you well for the rest of your life regardless of your daughter only playing for a couple more years. If you go with the 100-300, I'd sell your aging 100-400II to help reduce the pain a little.
Don't forget, you can always sell said lenses several years down the road...Show more →

I'm sure that 500 4.5 will be close to $10k. Outside of budget, like the 100-300, which with a variable TC would be absolutely awesome.

People better start leaking info on all this stuff though....I got plans to make.

Brian.

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Aug 03, 2023 at 10:15 AM

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p.2 #5 · p.2 #5 · One big purchase opportunity, what would you choose?

jedibrain wrote:
I shoot the whole team while they play. Normally with my EF 100-400 II and very often with the 1.4x. Haven't really been wishing for more resolution, but I rented a 120-300 2.8 and really liked the depth of field. Just a little short. The 400 2.8 would rock, but I think I'd miss the zoom. 200-400 is a well designed middleground. The 100-300 with the rumored variable TC would be the best, but outside of the budget by a large margin. Again, none of this is a need, but a splurge.

Can they hurry up and release the R5II...Show more →

The only lens that will make a difference in your images is one with large apertures so if you are against 300II or 400II then the best option is the 200-400. Upgrading to anything else like the 100-500 is just more of the same. A slow zoom is a slow zoom, the 100-300 is too expensive and short, and you want a zoom so the 200-400 is the answer. A new body with your current lenses isn't going to change much.

Aug 03, 2023 at 11:23 AM

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p.2 #6 · p.2 #6 · One big purchase opportunity, what would you choose?

An old 300/2.8 is less than the 100 500, 120 300 only got discontinued in the last year or so, and had been like $3700 brand new. Possibly older versions but seeing really inexpensive 120 300 used. So definitely possible.

200 500 rumored next year not sure how that affects 200 400 price.

Aug 03, 2023 at 12:05 PM

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p.2 #7 · p.2 #7 · One big purchase opportunity, what would you choose?

AmbientMike wrote:
An old 300/2.8 is less than the 100 500, 120 300 only got discontinued in the last year or so, and had been like $3700 brand new. Possibly older versions but seeing really inexpensive 120 300 used. So definitely possible.

200 500 rumored next year not sure how that affects 200 400 price. I

I tried the SIgma 120-300 2.8 on a rental. It was great at native focal length, but couldn't take a TC at all. At least not a Canon TC. It fit physically, but the image suffered greatly. Its just not long enough for me to replace the 100-400/+TC. If I used a 70-200 a lot, I'd buy it in place of that, but my 70-200 barely sees any use.

200-500, if true, would be $14k. Probably little to no downward pressure on the 200-400 used market as a result. All speculation of course.

-Brian

Aug 03, 2023 at 12:15 PM

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p.2 #8 · p.2 #8 · One big purchase opportunity, what would you choose?

artsupreme wrote:
A slow zoom is a slow zoom, the 100-300 is too expensive and short, and you want a zoom so the 200-400 is the answer. A new body with your current lenses isn't going to change much.

Yes and No; Yes aperture is the same.

No, you get much better IS and handholdablity (matters in low light non-fast moving wildlife/landscape), takes 1.4x really well & AF is outstanding when paired with R5. To the degree that I practically stopped using 500 F4 once I got the 100-500 (had the 100-400 II before, which I never preferred to 500 F4 when I took both on a trip). When mine broke, I purchased the 2nd one pretty much as soon as Canon confirmed they cannot repair it. 100-500 is an outstandingly versatile lens when paired with high ISO performance of R5 + software.

Aug 03, 2023 at 12:42 PM

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p.2 #9 · p.2 #9 · One big purchase opportunity, what would you choose?

jedibrain wrote:
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I tried the SIgma 120-300 2.8 on a rental. It was great at native focal length, but couldn't take a TC at all. At least not a Canon TC. It fit physically, but the image suffered greatly. Its just not long enough for me to replace the 100-400/+TC. If I used a 70-200 a lot, I'd buy it in place of that, but my 70-200 barely sees any use.

200-500, if true, would be $14k. Probably little to no downward pressure on the 200-400 used market as a result. All speculation of course.

-Brian

Interesting. I remember seeing a really sharp image using a tc one time, possibly on an older version 120 300. They used to say use the same brand of tc as lens, so I bought a Tamron tc to go with my 180, maybe try Sigma 1.4, did you stop down to improve the quality?

My gut says $3500 in 3 years on the 200 400. I think it gets more affordable over time, if you can't get one today might get easier later. 200 500 could drive up price though too, if people look at the $5k 200-400 instead

Aug 03, 2023 at 12:45 PM

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p.2 #10 · p.2 #10 · One big purchase opportunity, what would you choose?

artsupreme wrote:
The only lens that will make a difference in your images is one with large apertures so if you are against 300II or 400II then the best option is the 200-400. Upgrading to anything else like the 100-500 is just more of the same. A slow zoom is a slow zoom, the 100-300 is too expensive and short, and you want a zoom so the 200-400 is the answer. A new body with your current lenses isn't going to change much.

Yes and you will not believe how easy it is to switch the 200-400 to 560mm/f5.6 - it is a great lens. I took pictures of son's football with 600 and had to hang a second body (with 70-200) around my neck for close in. The 200-400 solves this - and on a monopod the weight is great. Its great.

Aug 03, 2023 at 03:19 PM

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p.2 #11 · p.2 #11 · One big purchase opportunity, what would you choose?

thedutt wrote:
Yes and No; Yes aperture is the same.

No, you get much better IS and handholdablity (matters in low light non-fast moving wildlife/landscape), takes 1.4x really well & AF is outstanding when paired with R5. To the degree that I practically stopped using 500 F4 once I got the 100-500 (had the 100-400 II before, which I never preferred to 500 F4 when I took both on a trip). When mine broke, I purchased the 2nd one pretty much as soon as Canon confirmed they cannot repair it. 100-500 is an outstandingly versatile lens when paired with high ISO performance of...Show more →

I own it and I've owned both 100-400 variants. I use the RF 100-500 only when I have to. It comes down to a personal preference and how important bokeh is to you in your images. I did use it last week on a horseback trip because weight/size were a factor. It's versatile yes, but also usually boring with it's small apertures. But just like last week, sometimes a boring lens is the best option you can carry. On the other hand I took it to Africa and it was my least used lens:

https://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/1734990/16

This whole thread seems to be about someone wanting to improve their images with more bokeh, and the 100-500 isn't going to do that over his 100-400. He got a taste of 300 at 2.8 and got the itch. Large apertures are a slippery, expensive slope.

Aug 03, 2023 at 03:29 PM

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p.2 #12 · p.2 #12 · One big purchase opportunity, what would you choose?

Scott Stoness wrote:
Yes and you will not believe how easy it is to switch the 200-400 to 560mm/f5.6 - it is a great lens. I took pictures of son's football with 600 and had to hang a second body (with 70-200) around my neck for close in. The 200-400 solves this - and on a monopod the weight is great. Its great.

I shot one for years and just sold my last copy. It's a great lens that cannot be beat right now for $4000-$4500, but it is a beast to handhold all day. I used it occasionally with a monopod or tripod but often handheld the beast. Very sharp wide open through the range and pretty sharp with TC engaged as well.

Aug 03, 2023 at 03:34 PM

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p.2 #13 · p.2 #13 · One big purchase opportunity, what would you choose?

Oh, idk. I'd like to compare the 55-250 to some of the fast 35mm or 50/1.2's sometime. F/5.6 at 250mm requires a larger front element than 50/1.2, and usually the longer FL gets rid if a bg better, so in theory the 55-250 should be better at blurring a bad bg than some expenaive lenses. 55-250 seems really similar to the rf 100 400, one is more aps, one does ff (and aps, too.)

So obviously a 300/2.8 or 400/4 gets rid of a bg more, but 400/8 is pretty similar to 250/5.6, not bad for bokeh imo.

Aug 03, 2023 at 04:29 PM

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p.2 #14 · p.2 #14 · One big purchase opportunity, what would you choose?

jedibrain wrote:
I'm not in a hurry. R5II and R1 not even announced yet....so I'm in the 'planning' phase - which my wife alternately refers to as the 'obsessing' phase and the 'over-thinking' phase.

I understand. I just went through an evaluation of what roll I want photography to play in my life and made some big changes as a result. So far, I am very pleased with the direction I am taking. I hope this continues. Good luck with finding your path forward.

Aug 03, 2023 at 07:11 PM

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p.2 #15 · p.2 #15 · One big purchase opportunity, what would you choose?

It it would have to be the RF 600 f/4.

EDIT: Cameras come and go. RF will be around for many years. That lens would last my lifetime.

Aug 03, 2023 at 08:18 PM

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p.2 #16 · p.2 #16 · One big purchase opportunity, what would you choose?

lighthound wrote:
Forget about the R1 or R5II. We have no idea what those bodies will be.

Take that burning hot cash and treat yourself to a super nice RF 500mm f/4.5 (still fictional for a couple more months) or grab the RF 100-300 plus both RF TC's.
Either of those lenses would serve you well for the rest of your life regardless of your daughter only playing for a couple more years. If you go with the 100-300, I'd sell your aging 100-400II to help reduce the pain a little.
Don't forget, you can always sell said lenses several years down the road...Show more →

RF 500mm f/4.5 (still fictional for a couple more months), I never saw this rumor..... I guess you meant the rumored RF 200-500 F4.....

Aug 04, 2023 at 07:08 AM

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p.2 #17 · p.2 #17 · One big purchase opportunity, what would you choose?

action99 wrote:
RF 500mm f/4.5 (still fictional for a couple more months), I never saw this rumor..... I guess you meant the rumored RF 200-500 F4.....

No, I meant the RF 500mm prime that many including myself have been wanting/lusting over for a very long time.
It's been discussed here numerous times but never anything concrete, thus the reason I said "Fictional".

https://www.canonrumors.com/new-rumor-of-supertelephoto-dos-and-the-r1-cr2/

Aug 04, 2023 at 07:44 AM

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p.2 #18 · p.2 #18 · One big purchase opportunity, what would you choose?

I shoot the whole team while they play.

Yes, so did I. If you want a new fancy lens I would just buy it! We all attempt to rationalize our purchases.

Aug 04, 2023 at 09:19 AM

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p.2 #19 · p.2 #19 · One big purchase opportunity, what would you choose?

artsupreme wrote:
I own it and I've owned both 100-400 variants. I use the RF 100-500 only when I have to. It comes down to a personal preference and how important bokeh is to you in your images.

I did use it last week on a horseback trip because weight/size were a factor. It's versatile yes, but also usually boring with it's small apertures. But just like last week, sometimes a boring lens is the best option you can carry. On the other hand I took it to Africa and it was my least used lens:

https://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/1734990/16

This whole thread seems to be about...Show more →

I have the 400 2.8 RF, that is what I use a lot now vs the 500 F4, so I understand the appeal of better IQ of higher glass. With that said, if I could only have 100-500 or 400 f2.8, I would keep 100-500.

Why? Lack of bokeh doesn't make a picture boring. It really depends on what you are shooting. 100-500 gives you an option to shoot landscape with a wildlife subject better than any other lens, well, ethically at least. The large primes give you a great option to get superb portraits (and occasional outstanding environmental shots). End of the day, Useablity makes a far great difference than any other factors in the field. Unless you are going for award winning shots, that require a lot more prep and you never go in with just one lens / body anyways, I would argue that the "boring" aspect of 100-500 is what makes it so darn sexy

Aug 04, 2023 at 10:02 AM

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p.2 #20 · p.2 #20 · One big purchase opportunity, what would you choose?

artsupreme wrote:
I shot one for years and just sold my last copy. It's a great lens that cannot be beat right now for $4000-$4500, but it is a beast to handhold all day. I used it occasionally with a monopod or tripod but often handheld the beast. Very sharp wide open through the range and pretty sharp with TC engaged as well.

It's all about what you plan to do with the lens. On a monopod it's fantastic. And for 15 minutes it's great too. But if you are holding it for an hour, you have to be strong.

But primes like 300 (too short often), 400 (does not zoom back), and 600 (too long lots) are heavy too and have their downsides. And 100-500 is not as good in low light and has less reach.

That's why the perfect combination is 100-400 (which the op already has I think) and 200-400.

I think for what the op does (sports an other) - a zoom is the ticket and 100-500 or 200-400 are the best tools.

100-500 if you usually have enough light. And 200-400 if you are dusk and dawn (like I am) or inside. Additionally if you are about animals it depends on whether you are pursuing them (bears) and on foot or car (safer) and where you are (closed in mountains with trees or Yellowstone). Thus I land on 600/1.4x (eg long shots in Yellowstone)and 200-400 (medium shots where the subject is moving eg bears) with the rf 100-400 for driving (hard to drive with a 200-400 in your lap).

Aug 04, 2023 at 10:17 AM

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