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p.46 #1 · p.46 #1 · Let's talk about the Nikon Zf


Rwc1313 wrote:
So, and I understand this is a rookie question, would you say a lot of people would prefer a full frame 24 mp sensor over a crop sensor 40 mp? I figure that’s a matter of opinion to an extent as well


I think marketing makes people want more megapixels , then most will end up cropping or resizing the same image for social media, as most people just don't print. Everyone wants more, makes sense as a sudo zoom lens, but the quality is not the same as being closer, or a long lens. 24 is fine for most subjects , more can help but is overkill for most things, I have made 6' x 4' poster prints from a 10 megapixel D200 in the past.



Dec 04, 2023 at 05:53 AM
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p.46 #2 · p.46 #2 · Let's talk about the Nikon Zf


Rwc1313 wrote:
So, and I understand this is a rookie question, would you say a lot of people would prefer a full frame 24 mp sensor over a crop sensor 40 mp? I figure that’s a matter of opinion to an extent as well


A lot of people think they need full frame, because the camera makers (most of them) tell them that. Most people also think they need more megapixels for the same reason.
I have a Zf, and right now I still prefer using my Zfc, even though it is APS-C and only 20MP. I prefer the lighter weight and the images, in almost every case, are just as good. Actually, I most enjoy using my Df - its a very comfortable camera to shoot, and still makes great images.



Dec 04, 2023 at 09:54 AM
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p.46 #3 · p.46 #3 · Let's talk about the Nikon Zf


Rwc1313 wrote:
So, and I understand this is a rookie question, would you say a lot of people would prefer a full frame 24 mp sensor over a crop sensor 40 mp? I figure that’s a matter of opinion to an extent as well


That's dependent on what area your lenses cover. If the system contains mostly lenses with full-frame coverage, they're kind of wasted on a DX sensor (half the image area projected by the lens is simply dismissed and not recorded). 24 MP FX gives excellent low-light image quality and very good general purpose image quality. A higher resolution sensor is mainly needed when one intends to crop the images depending on the image (i.e. cannot predict and use a longer lens because one doesn't know exactly what one will need for the shot). 45 MP FX is also a good general purpose sensor but clearly more targeted towards high-end applications where the best image quality is desired and there is either plenty of natural light or adequate lighting is provided using artificial light. With the 24MP FX sensor you can record quite good image quality in next to no light (the 20 MP FX is still better in this niche but not available yet for Z cameras). This is nicely combined with the Zf's high sensitivity of AF in low light, advanced VR, and the way the screen can be folded towards the camera's back so almost no light is emitted from the camera (which could be distracting to people in an environment where there is very little light).

40 MP APS-C can be a good choice if you have the APS-C optimized lenses for it, and there is no reason to avoid it if the Fuji system meets your needs. I'm personally unconvinced by Fuji's autofocus especially for approaching subjects and high fps, when I've tested their cameras in this way the results have not been good. A Zf can handle most subjects approaching the camera and the Z8/Z9 are still better (more precise), and I have high confidence in these cameras in the situation where a human subject approaches the camera. With animals it's a different story and Nikon has some more work cut out for them in this area. However, if the Fuji meets your needs regarding AF then obviously money can be saved by choosing the smaller format. I have existing lenses that cover 35mm full frame and I like photographing people including indoors in very low-light environments (of course I prefer good light but sometimes it's better to get some images rather than none when the light is poor) and the Zf is great for that application, and I've grown very fond of the camera because of handling and the results.

I think choice of a camera should above all consider the overall system, which lenses are available, and what lenses you actually need or want, and is the total cost acceptable.



Dec 04, 2023 at 11:06 AM
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p.46 #4 · p.46 #4 · Let's talk about the Nikon Zf


Thank you, that is helpful and informative. I like low light shooting so that is something to consider.


Dec 04, 2023 at 12:10 PM
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p.46 #5 · p.46 #5 · Let's talk about the Nikon Zf


It finally arrived...
Most beautiful camera I have ever seen!




Dec 05, 2023 at 01:33 PM
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p.46 #6 · p.46 #6 · Let's talk about the Nikon Zf


I am proud of myself for not yet succumbing to the camera porn that is the ZF. I just have to keep reminding myself that I love the ergonomics of the Z8 (and Z6, to lesser extent), and that the amount of sexy would decrease precipitously when mounting my modern zoom lenses. :-)


Dec 05, 2023 at 01:36 PM
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p.46 #7 · p.46 #7 · Let's talk about the Nikon Zf


I love my Zf to death, but only use smaller primes.

The other day a friendly stranger let me feel his Z 600mm F4.0 on a Z9, and for his kind of work it was truly nice to hold and use.



Dec 05, 2023 at 01:53 PM
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Jepser wrote:
I love my Zf to death, but only use smaller primes.

The other day a friendly stranger let me feel his Z 600mm F4.0 on a Z9, and for his kind of work it was truly nice to hold and use.


Same here!

Its been couple of days now, but every time I reach for that camera and take photos, it feels great, I'm so happy with it.
10x time more happy than I was with Sony
After over a year with Sony a7c, Zf is fantastic - that EVF! Huge!, screen also bigger.
Smallrig grip isn't 100% match, but it feels great with it. I would love to get that Japanese grip - very simple but I have a feeling that it will be great.



Dec 13, 2023 at 06:22 PM
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p.46 #9 · p.46 #9 · Let's talk about the Nikon Zf


I started using that Smallrig grip with my Zf. Being such a nice heavy solid piece of equipment, it feels like some kind of medium format camera


Dec 18, 2023 at 06:48 PM
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I'm a wildlife and landscape shooter that has been using the Z9/Z6II bodies. The Z9 stays glued to my 400 f2.8S and the Z6II has been used with both the 24-120 and 180-600. Today I made the decision to sell my Z6II and replace it with the Zf because of the AF system in the new camera. While it will be nice to have a camera that is a little FE/F3-ish, I made the decision for the AF system.
Honestly, I am not interested in a buying another $5400 (or $4000) camera, but I want/need an af system that is more sophisticated than my Z6II... I've got a big trip planned for the end of January and can't wait for the Z6III or some other $2000 option... fingers crossed that the Zf won't disappoint.

For those using the Zf, is it easy to switch between AF modes... like for 3D to singly point AF?... Can this be programmed into a function button?

bruce



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p.46 #11 · p.46 #11 · Let's talk about the Nikon Zf


OwlsEyes wrote:
I'm a wildlife and landscape shooter that has been using the Z9/Z6II bodies. The Z9 stays glued to my 400 f2.8S and the Z6II has been used with both the 24-120 and 180-600. Today I made the decision to sell my Z6II and replace it with the Zf because of the AF system in the new camera. While it will be nice to have a camera that is a little FE/F3-ish, I made the decision for the AF system.
Honestly, I am not interested in a buying another $5400 (or $4000) camera, but I want/need an af system that is
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Yes it can , you just don't have many buttons to choose from. I bring mine on the daily hikes with the dogs , but I don't have any of the super long tele lenses.. for now.




  NIKON Z f    VR 300mm f/4E lens    300mm    f/4.0    1/60s    200 ISO    0.0 EV  






  NIKON Z f    AF-S NIKKOR 500mm f/5.6E PF ED VR lens    500mm    f/5.6    1/1000s    450 ISO    0.0 EV  




Dec 18, 2023 at 09:50 PM
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p.46 #12 · p.46 #12 · Let's talk about the Nikon Zf


I concur. I'm delighted with my rental of a Zf (I love LensRentals) but man, even something small-for-what-it-is in the Tamron 70-180 was very unpleasant with an ungripped Zf.

The 35 S + Zf is fine but even my 105 Z, light as it is for as big as it is, is uncomfortable.

Beautiful camera that's just not for me. Glad it's a rental!



Dec 20, 2023 at 10:11 AM
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p.46 #13 · p.46 #13 · Let's talk about the Nikon Zf


I tried to make my ZF work without a grip. I just couldn't get used to it so after about a month I upgraded to the nikon zf-gr1 grip (ordered from Japan through buyee auction. Very easy to do). The grip has made a huge difference for me and it really maintains the look of the ZF.


Dec 20, 2023 at 10:45 AM
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p.46 #14 · p.46 #14 · Let's talk about the Nikon Zf


Can someone with a Zf please perform a quick experiment for me?

1) Using a native Z-Mount lens, preferably the 50S f/1.8, set the camera to silent mode, manual exposure, shutter speed of 1 second, and the aperture wide-open

2) Take a single photo while looking into the lens. Please let me know if you see the aperture blades move for the exposure.



Dec 20, 2023 at 11:01 AM
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p.46 #15 · p.46 #15 · Let's talk about the Nikon Zf


I’m thinking of swapping my Z7 II for the Zf. My Z8 is my main body and I’m thinking that the Zf would get more regular use than the Z7 II.


Dec 20, 2023 at 12:05 PM
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p.46 #16 · p.46 #16 · Let's talk about the Nikon Zf


snapsy wrote:
Can someone with a Zf please perform a quick experiment for me?

1) Using a native Z-Mount lens, preferably the 50S f/1.8, set the camera to silent mode, manual exposure, shutter speed of 1 second, and the aperture wide-open

2) Take a single photo while looking into the lens. Please let me know if you see the aperture blades move for the exposure.


I just tried this with the 50/1.8S and didn't see any movement at all. Hopefully someone else can try it too and either back me up or tell me I did it wrong!




Dec 20, 2023 at 12:23 PM
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p.46 #17 · p.46 #17 · Let's talk about the Nikon Zf


No movement here. 85 1.8S.


Dec 20, 2023 at 12:27 PM
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p.46 #18 · p.46 #18 · Let's talk about the Nikon Zf


No movement with 50 f/2.8 MC or 24-70 f/4S.


Dec 20, 2023 at 12:37 PM
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p.46 #19 · p.46 #19 · Let's talk about the Nikon Zf


Thanks @supatyke, @scalanc2, and @OffTrail! This was for my Great Z Aperture Mystery thread on Dpreview.


Dec 20, 2023 at 01:50 PM
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p.46 #20 · p.46 #20 · Let's talk about the Nikon Zf


And....I got one. This is a beautiful camera, especially with my Voigtlander 35/2 APO.


Dec 20, 2023 at 02:03 PM
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