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p.1 #1 · p.1 #1 · High res Sony R bodies over standard series


What are the advantages of the higher resolution bodies, compared to those standard ones?
I understand that higher res gives us possibility to crop.
What are the purpose of those high res bodies? I guess landscapes, or big prints of anything - is there anything else?
When do you guys use high res and when do you just go with standard?
Jul 25, 2023 at 11:35 AM
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p.1 #2 · p.1 #2 · High res Sony R bodies over standard series


I only have an A7riv... I like the flexibility to crop, knowing I have tons of resolution overhead so that in good light conditions, my minimal lens kit is very flexible. Hi res body = more flexibility with lenses. I've become pretty dependent on this so wouldn't move back to a lower res body. Had an A7C for a bit which made me realize how much I've come to rely on resolution overhead.
Jul 25, 2023 at 11:58 AM
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p.1 #3 · p.1 #3 · High res Sony R bodies over standard series


darrellc wrote:
I only have an A7riv... I like the flexibility to crop, knowing I have tons of resolution overhead so that in good light conditions, my minimal lens kit is very flexible. Hi res body = more flexibility with lenses. I've become pretty dependent on this so wouldn't move back to a lower res body. Had an A7C for a bit which made me realize how much I've come to rely on resolution overhead.

What high res has to do with lens?
Jul 25, 2023 at 12:33 PM
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p.1 #4 · p.1 #4 · High res Sony R bodies over standard series


You can carry less of them.

phinix wrote:
What high res has to do with lens?
Jul 25, 2023 at 12:52 PM
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p.1 #5 · p.1 #5 · High res Sony R bodies over standard series


Because I can substitute crop for physical lenses to cover more focal lengths. So a 24mm lens can cover 24 and 35mm focal lengths if I'm OK with ~26mp of resolution at ~35mm with a hi res Sony body.
Jul 25, 2023 at 12:55 PM
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p.1 #6 · p.1 #6 · High res Sony R bodies over standard series


I love to see the fine details of images, even if they are never really noticeable at screen resolution for posting.

Cropping versatility comes in as well. But being somewhat a resolution maniac, I value being able to merge two images from rectangular toward square format for even higher resolution than the a7R4's impressive 61MP. Sort of like the fascination of viewing subjects through a microscope, then zooming out to life-size. I never get tired of it.

I find larger MP images are better for me in post-production editing/merging to get the most tonality and impact from scenes and objects.

I certainly appreciate and study the photographers here who take the time to produce the best images possible. The greater pixel content is an important part of that presentation and sharing.

That said, I'm still impressed when I take one of my older, lower-MP bodies out for a spin! I repurchased a used Canon 20D a while back, and love to see the results from such a humble camera that I did a fair amount of professional work with during the transition from film to digital.


Jul 25, 2023 at 02:03 PM
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p.1 #7 · p.1 #7 · High res Sony R bodies over standard series


The high res sensors don't have low pass filters that destroy detail. This plus the higher resolution make a photo that is shot at high resolution and then downsampled to the resolution of a low res sensor will look better.

The cropping ability is also amazing, beyond anything I had expected. All lenses now have a built in 1.4TC that you can decide to use or not in post.
Jul 25, 2023 at 02:21 PM
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p.1 #8 · p.1 #8 · High res Sony R bodies over standard series


As others have said, the biggest advantage for most people is cropping. I can get a 1.5x (or even 2x) extension of my focal length, and still have plenty of resolution for my needs. That lets me carry fewer lenses, and lighter zoom lenses. Megapixels weigh less than glass.


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Jul 25, 2023 at 03:05 PM
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p.1 #9 · p.1 #9 · High res Sony R bodies over standard series


darrellc wrote:
Because I can substitute crop for physical lenses to cover more focal lengths. So a 24mm lens can cover 24 and 35mm focal lengths if I'm OK with ~26mp of resolution at ~35mm with a hi res Sony body.

Now I understand, thanks, didn't think of that



Jul 25, 2023 at 04:41 PM
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p.1 #10 · p.1 #10 · High res Sony R bodies over standard series


How about that 33MP of A7IV - is it considered high res or not yet?
I wonder, cause if they release a7cII, it would probably be 33MP, would be an upgrade for me for my a7c.
Or would a7rIII be better upgrade? I cannot afford anything higher.
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phinix wrote:
How about that 33MP of A7IV - is it considered high res or not yet?
I wonder, cause if they release a7cII, it would probably be 33MP, would be an upgrade for me for my a7c.
Or would a7rIII be better upgrade? I cannot afford anything higher.

My main body right now is an A7IV. 33MP is way more than enough for the people-photos I usually shoot. I don't think I've ever run out of pixels when cropping, and the people I snap for don't print big enough (if at all) to matter.

My older A7RIII has like 10 more megapixels... the end results are about the same. You probably wouldn't be able to tell which camera took which photos.
Jul 25, 2023 at 05:06 PM
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phinix wrote:
How about that 33MP of A7IV - is it considered high res or not yet?
I wonder, cause if they release a7cII, it would probably be 33MP, would be an upgrade for me for my a7c.
Or would a7rIII be better upgrade? I cannot afford anything higher.

Are you looking at used cameras? To me they make a ton of sense. When I upgraded I went from 24mp to 60 and that was a big jump. It cost about $1000 for me to make that move between buying used and selling the old body. I also spent some time testing side by side to determine if the extra cost was worth it.

The sensor in the riii has a great reputation. There are other things I value in a body besides the sensor. Autofocus and white balance are both important to me. The best sensor and lens doesn’t matter if the focus is off. For this reason I would tend to favor newer bodies. But if you shoot landscape and that doesn’t matter the riii would be a great choice.
Jul 25, 2023 at 05:12 PM
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p.1 #13 · p.1 #13 · High res Sony R bodies over standard series



What high res has to do with lens?

E.g., my Tamron 35-150 mm lens gains the extended reach to 225 mm F4 20 MP on A1 - very useful.


Jul 25, 2023 at 07:12 PM
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p.1 #14 · p.1 #14 · High res Sony R bodies over standard series


I think standard is plenty, and the noise is less with high ISO. Plus the files are smaller and more manageable. Higher rez works for many though.

phinix wrote:
What are the advantages of the higher resolution bodies, compared to those standard ones?
I understand that higher res gives us possibility to crop.
What are the purpose of those high res bodies? I guess landscapes, or big prints of anything - is there anything else?
When do you guys use high res and when do you just go with standard?
Jul 25, 2023 at 08:03 PM
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p.1 #15 · p.1 #15 · High res Sony R bodies over standard series


The 61mpx Sony sensor can be very effecient. The way it has been implemented through pixel binning allows three different resolutions. The binned resolution actually increases dynamic range. Between that and cropping you have a lot of usefull options. It almost turns primes into a number of useful focal lengths. Of course you must understand the compromises involved.

As with the Leica M11 and Q3 cameras this could be an ideal sensor for a small, simple Sony camera as rumored.
Jul 25, 2023 at 09:28 PM
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p.1 #16 · p.1 #16 · High res Sony R bodies over standard series


you already mentioned these advantages of high resolution camera. It also comes with some disadvantages that is when you will consider in using the standard ones. Like it will get more noise when you use higher ISO in low light environment, larger file size not good for continuous shooting, less focus points for high speed shooting.


Jul 26, 2023 at 08:34 AM
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p.1 #17 · p.1 #17 · High res Sony R bodies over standard series


phinix wrote:
How about that 33MP of A7IV - is it considered high res or not yet?
I wonder, cause if they release a7cII, it would probably be 33MP, would be an upgrade for me for my a7c.
Or would a7rIII be better upgrade? I cannot afford anything higher.

I have the A7IV and find I can crop generously with the 33mp sensor. Far better than the A7III I previously shot with.

I never cared for the higher rez of the RIV. But that's on me for not having the right settings I'm guessing.
Jul 26, 2023 at 08:39 AM
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p.1 #18 · p.1 #18 · High res Sony R bodies over standard series


There's no real penalty to using the higher megapixel bodies (unless you do action), so why not get the best data you can? it may come in handy someday.

In the past, before the high res bodies were available, I had pixel anxiety. I.e. I was always worried that I'd get ask to make a bigger print and not have enough detail. Once I moved to 40+ mp camera that mostly went away.
Jul 26, 2023 at 09:44 AM
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p.1 #19 · p.1 #19 · High res Sony R bodies over standard series


phinix wrote:
How about that 33MP of A7IV - is it considered high res or not yet?
I wonder, cause if they release a7cII, it would probably be 33MP, would be an upgrade for me for my a7c.
Or would a7rIII be better upgrade? I cannot afford anything higher.

These days, a 33mp sensor is kind of replacing the very common 24mp sensors as the "standard." But in the earliest days of digital, resolutions were much lower. I had an early Fuji with about a 3.1 mp sensor, then 6 mp, 10, 16 then 24 mps. So the 36mp D800 was a monster in those days. The 33mp does offer a bit more potential print size or cropping compared to 24mp but it may not be that big a difference in practice for most users.

The A7Riii is higher resolution but compared to 33mp, again, may not have that much impact from a resolution standpoint. Comparing the A7Riii and A7C or A7Cii is much more than the resolution. The 42mp was considered "high resolution" when compared to the 24s. The A7Riii body is bigger (not as big as the A7Riv generation) and retains features that weren't included when it came to making the A7C a smaller camera so some might say easier to use, and the viewfinder is probably going to bemuch nicer, too. That's kind of subjective, some folks dislike the A7C finder so much, they won't buy/use the camera. Others like the smaller size and weight and get along fine with it. that's an individual hands-on kind of thing.
Jul 26, 2023 at 10:22 AM
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p.1 #20 · p.1 #20 · High res Sony R bodies over standard series


As an owner of a 61MP unit, the real-world primary advantages can be summarized as follows:
Large print images (gallery, prosumer work, or otherwise) are great (30" @ 300 dpi, 36" @ 250, etc) and seldom need significant enlargement, barring extreme dimensions. And even then, you have the pixels to do that without the image falling apart or AI artifacts.
Extra cropping room. Putting aside the "purists", having room for editing is huge. Life is not perfect.
Having the pixels to overwhelm ISO noise is huge. Couple this with LR and Topaz is amazing.
For personal shots (e.g., family daily life) I do drop the resolution down or just use the phone.
In short, needs determine solutions.
BUT I do caution that high resolution is not as important with the advancement of tools like LR and Topaz. Unless you have an absolute demand for no more than lightly-processed, wide dimensions photos, take a serious look at the 30-ish mp camera line and invest in the tools and how to use them.
ADDENDUM: Off on a another tangent last night looking at the Fuji TX-1 panorama film camera, I discovered another use: it effectivwly replaces that camera (and the costly and bothersome film). At a rough 5.6K pixel resoluton for film (see https://www.filmfix.com/blog.asp?post=599#:~:text=Thirty%2Dfive%2Dmillimeter%20film%20has,depends%20on%20its%20%E2%80%9Cgrain%E2%80%9D. - I'm not arguing over minutiae) and 65mmx24mm film dimensions, an A7R IV covers 97% of the width, without enlargement. Not bad at all!
Jul 27, 2023 at 08:43 AM







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