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a6700+200-600 vs 500PF for bird photography

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p.1 #1 · p.1 #1 · a6700+200-600 vs 500PF for bird photography

Hello, my first thread

I run a7rIII with few primes:
20 g
35 GM
CV 50/1.2
Laowa 90 APO macro
Samyang 135/1.8
E 70-350

I also own couple of Z lenses:
14-30
24-120

Currently I have money to add a birding kit (they cost the same):
Either a6700 + 200-600
Or 500 PF

My question:
Do you see any pro and cons of choosing one over the other?

Thanks
G Arun

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Jul 15, 2023 at 06:38 AM

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p.1 #2 · p.1 #2 · a6700+200-600 vs 500PF for bird photography

I don’t understand why you would run 2 systems that do the same thing, FF Sony and FF Nikon offer the same give or take a few features, I would consolidate to one system,

The 6700 is not a stacked sensor, it may have a great auto focus system but you find the hit rate greatly reduced for BIF, I would wait to see real world reviews reviews before opting for this as a dedicated birding camera,

Z8 is supposed to be excellent for birding, Nikon have the pf lenses Sony don’t have an equivalent yet, though the 100-400 and 200-600 are excellent,
Personally I would wait to see what the A9iii offers before splashing out on a A6700

Jul 15, 2023 at 06:57 AM

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p.1 #3 · p.1 #3 · a6700+200-600 vs 500PF for bird photography

First of all, you're so lucky to live in one of the most gorgeous places on the planet!!
I too shoot Sony and Nikon brands and enjoy the variety.

If you read this review and view the photos, you'll see the 500 PF is more than awesome for your needs.
https://photographylife.com/nikon-500mm-f-5-6e-pf-vr-initial-impressions

My recommendations though ..
- Sony a9/a9ii + 200-600 G (and upscale in software if you need to crop/enlarge) OR
- Nikon z8 + the soon-to-be-available z 180-600

Jul 15, 2023 at 07:10 AM

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p.1 #4 · p.1 #4 · a6700+200-600 vs 500PF for bird photography

500PF does not adapt well to Sony. It barely autofocuses and needs consistent MF help to even get it to start to do AF.

500PF only if you have a Nikon body (DSLR or Z).

Z8/500PF is a better birding system than A6700/200-600 because of the stacked sensor. If you value a zoom then I'd sell 500PF and buy Z180-600 to save some $$. It would be a bit more of a toss up between A9/200-600 and Z8/500PF but you get a lot more resolution from the Z8 and a more modern camera. The original A9 is getting a bit dated.

Jul 15, 2023 at 07:56 AM

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p.1 #5 · p.1 #5 · a6700+200-600 vs 500PF for bird photography

Seems like one system would make sense vs two. To clarify your thinking you might think about what you would do for an ideal system if you were starting from scratch. As far as birds are you thinking birds in flight or perched? If perched the Sony AI processor seems to be ideal. If it is in flight then seems like a stacked sensor would be desired. The Nikon zooms could be replaced with the 16-35 pz and 24-105G, but seems like the Nikon versions might be slightly better. Sony doesn’t have anything comparable to the 500 so if that is key, seems like it guides toward Nikon.

Instead of the 6700 I would consider selling the Riii and picking up an Rv. It will do everything the 6700 can and act as an upgrade for the riii. This is assuming perched birds. If it is flying and you need reach to 750-900 mm, then a high resolution stacked sensor and the z8 with 500mm seems like the right choice.

Jul 15, 2023 at 09:40 AM

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p.1 #6 · p.1 #6 · a6700+200-600 vs 500PF for bird photography

I keep Sony system mainly for primes.

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Jul 15, 2023 at 11:59 AM

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p.1 #7 · p.1 #7 · a6700+200-600 vs 500PF for bird photography

Garuna wrote:
Hello, my first post

I run a7rIII with few primes:
20 g
35 GM
CV 50/1.2
Laowa 90 APO macro
Samyang 135/1.8
E 70-350

I also own couple of Z lenses, but not a camera. I intend to buy Z8 when this recall stuff dies down:
14-30
24-120

Currently I have money to add a birding kit (they cost the same):
Either a6700 + 200-600
Or 500 PF

If i do the first, it doesn’t make sense to later buy a Z8 or keep those lenses. But if i go for 500 PF, i will still need to buy a Z8 later. In the Sony option, i will have to buy at...Show more →

For the stacked sensor and 20fps I'd go with the Nikon Z8. And get the new 180-600 when it's available. You could also add the Nikon 70-180 which you can use teleconverters on vs a no go on the Sony/Tamron version.

Jul 15, 2023 at 12:28 PM

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p.1 #8 · p.1 #8 · a6700+200-600 vs 500PF for bird photography

Sounds like a Nikon z8 would be a good fit. Does your current Sony body do what you want with the primes? I’m not sure what your role for the 70-350? I have one as well and for me it’s a long zoom that is small enough I will actually bring it places. Is that pretty much your roll for it as well, or was it acting as your long lens until you got something faster?

Jul 15, 2023 at 12:38 PM

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p.1 #9 · p.1 #9 · a6700+200-600 vs 500PF for bird photography

Seems like a lot of mixing and mismatching. You're talking about using an adapter no matter what to put the 500mm PF lens on a mirrorless body. For outright performance, native mount camera and lens combos are typically going to be faster and more reliable. I'd stick with either all Sony E-mount or all Nikon Z-mount rather than adapting. A Z8 + 180-600mm lens would be comparable to an a9 + 200-600..

Jul 15, 2023 at 01:28 PM

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p.1 #10 · p.1 #10 · a6700+200-600 vs 500PF for bird photography

@jeffbuzz@@ Thanks much appreciate

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Jul 16, 2023 at 12:58 AM

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p.1 #11 · p.1 #11 · a6700+200-600 vs 500PF for bird photography

@tschopp@@

Yes my current Sony body more than does what i want.

70-350:
I keep it for the same reason. The area i live in has many walks, and I carry this lens regardless of whether i am out photographing or not.

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Jul 16, 2023 at 01:08 AM

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p.1 #12 · p.1 #12 · a6700+200-600 vs 500PF for bird photography

@saaketham@@ thanks, yes of course the place is really nice.

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Jul 16, 2023 at 01:22 AM

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p.1 #13 · p.1 #13 · a6700+200-600 vs 500PF for bird photography

@arbitrage@@@ assuming a6700 had a stacked sensor will you still prefer a full frame over a crop body?

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Jul 16, 2023 at 07:48 AM

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p.1 #14 · p.1 #14 · a6700+200-600 vs 500PF for bird photography

Garuna wrote:
@arbitrage@@ assuming a6700 was a stacked sensor (suppose tomorrow we get to know the sensor read speed is good enough), will you still prefer a full frame stacked sensor over a crop body?

As my primary camera I'd still want a high MP FF camera like A1. Because I want to have 50MP when I can and make use of the full width of my lens focal length when I can.

Also to be my main camera the A6700 would need to have a control layout like the FF bodies with centred EVF (and higher resolution).

As a secondary camera I'd certainly be more likely to go for the A6700 if it had a stacked sensor.

Jul 16, 2023 at 08:04 PM


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