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Official: Sony FE 70-200mm f/4 G OSS II Lens

  
 
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aCuria wrote:
By definition that’s what a TC does… it increases the magnification for any lens it’s attached to, by exactly the stated magnification factor, 1.4 or 2x depending on the TC you picked

However in theory on a sensor with unlimited resolution and a perfect TC, you can simply crop and get the same results as a TC.

In practice the TC is not perfect… there’s resolution loss to the additional optics. The way to think about this, is that the higher the sensor resolution, the less value the TC beings to the table

Personally it’s just annoying taking the TC
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Thank you for the explanation. I also hate taking the TC on and off. I had it glued to my A9, an have not yet used it with my A1. I will only use it for testing purposes on my A1 until I purchase a 400F2.8 or 600F4.



Jul 15, 2023 at 04:14 AM
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snappu wrote:
That's not the same as the F4 II that does 1:2 macro throughout the zoom range though. A 1:2 macro at 70mm, for example, is quite useful for product photos. Honestly I don't think I'd miss the F2.8 that much. All my other zooms are F4.


The “traditional” way of handling macro is to use a macro prime… the Sony 50/2.8 macro does 1:1 and is fairly inexpensive used! I have see some at ~$120 usd?

There’s also a big difference between a 1:1 macro and a 1:2 macro.

Owning both the 70-200/4 and the 70-180/2.8 is not very cost efficient compared to owning the GMii and a true macro prime imo



Jul 15, 2023 at 04:16 AM
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I would get a 50 macro at 120 bucks but the go for 350-400 here.
aCuria wrote:
The “traditional” way of handling macro is to use a macro prime… the Sony 50/2.8 macro does 1:1 and is fairly inexpensive used! I have see some at ~$120 usd?

There’s also a big difference between a 1:1 macro and a 1:2 macro.

Owning both the 70-200/4 and the 70-180/2.8 is not very cost efficient compared to owning the GMii and a true macro prime imo




Jul 15, 2023 at 04:24 AM
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lensfan wrote:
I would get a 50 macro at 120 bucks but the go for 350-400 here.



That steep, a new one goes for $450-500 here, I would buy new at $400

I don’t see any for near that price now, maybe what I saw was an A mount lens. $300-350 used seems possible though

I’m still using an adapted 90mm for macro



Jul 15, 2023 at 04:54 AM
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aCuria wrote:
The “traditional” way of handling macro is to use a macro prime… the Sony 50/2.8 macro does 1:1 and is fairly inexpensive used! I have see some at ~$120 usd?

There’s also a big difference between a 1:1 macro and a 1:2 macro.

Owning both the 70-200/4 and the 70-180/2.8 is not very cost efficient compared to owning the GMii and a true macro prime imo


I think you are missing the point. What makes the 70-200/4 macro intriguing is it's versatility. Zooms in general are considered versatile and convenient because they prevent the need to carry a bag full of primes and swap lenses out in the field. So your argument of using a 'speciality' lens such as a 1:1 macro, instead of a zoom, is off base for this comparison.

As for the versatility of this new lens, it checks more boxes than any other telephoto lens on the market.

Great image quality? Check
Lightweight? Check
Compact for travel? Check
Compatible with TC's? Check
Takes advantage of latest IS and AF tech? Check
Doubles as half macro? Check

I see you are a fan of the GM II, and I like mine too, but as with any lens choice, you can't have your cake and eat it too. F2.8 is nice to have for certain situations, but for the vast majority of my shooting, I prefer to have a lighter/smaller lens that take decent macro shots too.



Jul 15, 2023 at 08:57 AM
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Dustin Abbott writes that "it moves very smoothly for an externally zooming lens, with no hitches or spots of uneven tension. A full zoom from 70-200mm takes roughly 90° of rotation." (he wrote positively of the Tamron 70-180's zoom action too) and for the 70-200/2.8 GM II "It moves very smoothly in that unique way that externally zooming lenses can never quite match. Moving from 70-200mm is roughly 80° of rotation – quick and easy.".

I suppose it makes less difference in a shorter tele lens than a longer, usually (zoom travel time and ease from end to end) (internal zoom vs external).

And I wonder if the euro price is going to come down within a year (from 2000e). Possibly not, we'll see : )



Jul 15, 2023 at 10:44 AM
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Wrong thread,sorry.

Edited on Jul 15, 2023 at 12:58 PM · View previous versions



Jul 15, 2023 at 12:00 PM
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snappu wrote:
I think you are missing the point. What makes the 70-200/4 macro intriguing is it's versatility. Zooms in general are considered versatile and convenient because they prevent the need to carry a bag full of primes and swap lenses out in the field. So your argument of using a 'speciality' lens such as a 1:1 macro, instead of a zoom, is off base for this comparison.

As for the versatility of this new lens, it checks more boxes than any other telephoto lens on the market.

Great image quality? Check
Lightweight? Check
Compact for travel? Check
Compatible with TC's? Check
Takes advantage of latest IS
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My comment was in the context of owning both the 70-180 and 70-200/4.

My thinking is that owning a dedicated macro and the 70-200GMii is better



Jul 15, 2023 at 12:38 PM
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Peire wrote:
All images taken with 16mm extension ring attached to the lens.



Very nice Peire, I have extension tubes for EF but not FE mount, looks like it may be worth picking up some tubes.

Any recommendations for tubes?



Jul 15, 2023 at 12:40 PM
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Thank you.This was Viltrox 16mm extension tube and I apparently have mistaken the thread.Sorry for that.


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p.7 #11 · p.7 #11 · Official: Sony FE 70-200mm f/4 G OSS II Lens


Any reason to not have the Full time DMF switch turned on all the time?


Jul 15, 2023 at 01:49 PM
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jon.pictures wrote:
Any reason to not have the Full time DMF switch turned on all the time?


To eliminate unintended manual focus?

It seems like full-time DMF could have been available since the beginning of E-mount. I certainly thought it was weird that a manual focus-by-wire system wouldn't have it. Konica-Minolta's original Alpha SSM lenses had it back in 2003. It would be nice if Sony retroactively added it as an option via firmware update to older camera bodies. I am not very excited about features limited to dedicated switches on particular lenses.



Jul 15, 2023 at 02:27 PM
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snappu wrote:
I think you are missing the point. What makes the 70-200/4 macro intriguing is it's versatility. Zooms in general are considered versatile and convenient because they prevent the need to carry a bag full of primes and swap lenses out in the field. So your argument of using a 'speciality' lens such as a 1:1 macro, instead of a zoom, is off base for this comparison.

As for the versatility of this new lens, it checks more boxes than any other telephoto lens on the market.

Great image quality? Check
Lightweight? Check
Compact for travel? Check
Compatible with TC's? Check
Takes advantage of latest IS
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Except the 100-400 is similar. .33 macro isn't far off from .5. It goes way farther and so works for wildlife, landscape, and semi macro. If this were 1:1, sure this would be great. But for long trips where you have to maximize space, the 100-400 is more versatile imo.



Jul 17, 2023 at 06:03 AM
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shadow9d9 wrote:
Except the 100-400 is similar. .33 macro isn't far off from .5. It goes way farther and so works for wildlife, landscape, and semi macro. If this were 1:1, sure this would be great. But for long trips where you have to maximize space, the 100-400 is more versatile imo.


Not really similar when you consider weight and bulk.



Jul 17, 2023 at 06:14 AM
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p.7 #15 · p.7 #15 · Official: Sony FE 70-200mm f/4 G OSS II Lens


SONY promises to deliver the best compact 70-200mm zoom at a price; at 2.000 euros so it should be good. Looking back at 70-200mm Vivitar Series 1 comparing size and weight it seems modern lenses take-up a lot of space for electronics and magnets; so much engineering reflected in the retail price.


Jul 17, 2023 at 06:56 AM
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aCuria wrote:
My comment was in the context of owning both the 70-180 and 70-200/4.

My thinking is that owning a dedicated macro and the 70-200GMii is better


Right, and I prefer to carry one small lens that is great at both macro and telephoto. I don't expect it to be the best, as I know the consequences of expecting more out of my set up. (ie more weight) I just traded in my GM II for the F4 macro. I also traded in my 24-70 GM for the 20-70 earlier this year. I now have a range of 20-600mm (apsc) with 2 small lenses and a 2x TC. That kind of versatility is more important to me than absolute IQ.

I hope someone else will get more use out of the GM II than I did.



Jul 18, 2023 at 07:31 PM
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chez wrote:
Not really similar when you consider weight and bulk.


Exactly, it's puzzling why some folks don't even consider size and weight.

My new 2 lens set up of 20-70 + 70-200 f4 II is lighter (1282g) than just the 100-400 (1395g)




Jul 18, 2023 at 07:39 PM
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chez wrote:
Not really similar when you consider weight and bulk.


I mean, one has the ability to do semi macro, landscape, and wildlife. The other just semi macro and landscape. The size difference isn't significant. I spend 1/4 to 1/3 of the year travelling abroad. The pure functionality difference is massive.



Jul 18, 2023 at 11:57 PM
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snappu wrote:
Exactly, it's puzzling why some folks don't even consider size and weight.

My new 2 lens set up of 20-70 + 70-200 f4 II is lighter (1282g) than just the 100-400 (1395g)



I very much value both. The size is not significantly different when packed. As for weight, in this case, is worth it to allow for wildlife photography. A 70-200 does not work for that at all, sp you have to account for an entirely extra telephoto lens in addition. So, take the 70-200 and add in a 100-400. Is that less than the 100-400 by itself? I'd never leave the country without the 100-400.



Jul 18, 2023 at 11:59 PM
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snappu wrote:
Right, and I prefer to carry one small lens that is great at both macro and telephoto. I don't expect it to be the best, as I know the consequences of expecting more out of my set up. (ie more weight) I just traded in my GM II for the F4 macro. I also traded in my 24-70 GM for the 20-70 earlier this year. I now have a range of 20-600mm (apsc) with 2 small lenses and a 2x TC. That kind of versatility is more important to me than absolute IQ.

I hope someone else will get more use
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Everyone is different. I stopped using even the 1.4x tc years ago. I didn't like the image degradation. Forget about the 2x.

I travel with 3 cameras and 5 lenses usually. In Mongolia right now. Japan before that.



Jul 19, 2023 at 12:02 AM
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