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BPsmith511 wrote:
Man, some people just can't be happy with anything I guess.


Man, I'm much happy with my Zeiss and Voigtlander lenses




Aug 08, 2023 at 07:23 AM
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https://nikonrumors.com/2023/08/08/the-shipping-date-of-the-new-nikon-nikkor-z-180-600mm-f-5-6-6-3-vr-lens-could-be-pushed-to-september.aspx/

Possibly pushed to September



Aug 09, 2023 at 06:27 AM
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Ripolini wrote:
In the meantime Tamron upgrades its 70-180/2.8 and we Nikonians get old rebranded Tamron lenses
https://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/1820007


This is announced one month after Nikon starts shipping the 70-180 f/2.8 for the first time? I would be curious if the Nikon branded 70-180 has the improved glass already, sure it doesn't have the VC of this new G2 version (Nikon may have felt their IBIS was good enough) but it would be odd if the G2 had a worthwhile improvement in IQ over the Nikon version just released. I'll be curious to see the reviews and comparisons once the G2 is in the field. This is interesting as well as posted by Nikon Rumors -
“This product is developed, manufactured, and sold under the license agreement with Nikon Corporation.”




Aug 09, 2023 at 08:23 AM
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wjmeyer wrote:
“This product is developed, manufactured, and sold under the license agreement with Nikon Corporation.”


Official announcement Tamron website was modified and does not contain anymore information about cooperation with Nikon:
https://www.tamron.com/global/consumer/news/detail/a065_20230809.html



Aug 09, 2023 at 09:36 AM
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Ripolini wrote:
Official announcement Tamron website was modified and does not contain anymore information about cooperation with Nikon:
https://www.tamron.com/global/consumer/news/detail/a065_20230809.html


I bet whoever wrote that copy/pasted the Nikon description and realized their mistake later haha.



Aug 09, 2023 at 09:50 AM
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wjmeyer wrote:
but it would be odd if the G2 had a worthwhile improvement in IQ over the Nikon version just released. I'll be curious to see the reviews and comparisons once the G2 is in the field.


The G2 versions of this series are a project of Tamron to take this important trinity upscale feature and performance wise. For this long FL, in lens stabilization adds great value in the same lighting and subject situations by allowing you to shoot at lower shutter speeds, therefore lower at ISO, improving IQ.

The usb driven lens configuration system is a very important evolution inside Tamron. In a recent presentation on lens designing Tamron made to its VIP members they said that this as the future of its lenses. It provides users with the same options and customizations that the advanced configurability of the most current high end camera bodies. The entire shooting experience should fell like the camera/lens was custom built just for you, and your current subject matter. It is going to be spread across its entire line. Soon lenses without this will feel like legacy lenses just like in camera bodies.

Tamron also announced that they are now the only lens line in existence that has full weather sealing, and fluorine coating on the front element of the entire line.

Having owned both generations , if this lens follows the path of the 28-75 G2 then there will be obvious optical/IQ improvements as well.

Finally Tamron lenses can be sent in for a full CLA for free annually for the duration of the 6 year warrantee period. This includes new weather sealing gaskets, and optically adjusting to new factory specs. The pay shipping as well one way. Turn around for me has always been between one and two weeks.

Finally Tamron has the best warrantee in the lens industry ranging from 6 years minimum up to lifetime depending on your membership in their free VIP program.

In my opinion it is unfortunate for the Nikon user base that Nikon has chosen to badge these lenses as OEM rather than just licensing Tamron to build for the Z mount. It looks like this decision just keeps the lenses a generation behind, reduces the warrantee and service package, and costs the consumer more. Hopefully, Nikon allowing a Tamron badged 35-150 lens indicates that they might be opening up more on this.

I think it is only fair to also point out that other manufactures are not completely open in this regard either. Sony limits FPS to 15, and won't allow TCs on third party lenses like Tamron. This has pushed me into a Sony lens instead of a Tamron on at least one FL. All companies have a bit of profit over customer in them...

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Having owned both generations , if this lens follows the path of the 28-75 G2 then there will be obvious optical/IQ improvements as well.

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I can believe this. I expect the G2 to be significantly better than the G1 otherwise there would be no point to it besides VR. Nikon wanted a cheaper version of a 70mm+ f/2.8 lens(possibly cheaper to license/brand OEM too) without having to build one themselves. (S)he who buys the Nikon G1 must just accept and live with the compromise(s) of not buying an S lens. It's still not a bad deal, in my opinion. It's just missing the bragging rights .




Aug 09, 2023 at 11:47 AM
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SiMuMe wrote:
I can believe this. I expect the G2 to be significantly better than the G1 otherwise there would be no point to it besides VR. Nikon wanted a cheaper version of a 70mm+ f/2.8 lens(possibly cheaper to license/brand OEM too) without having to build one themselves. (S)he who buys the Nikon G1 must just accept and live with the compromise(s) of not buying an S lens. It's still not a bad deal, in my opinion. It's just missing the bragging rights .



I did have the G1 version for Sony. It is an excellent lens. I am sure many in the Nikon community will benefit from it. I sold it and got the 70-200 GM II when it became available. It is the best zoom I have ever shot. It takes the TC so well I was also able to sell my Sony 100-400 G so no out of pocket money for the upgrade.



Aug 09, 2023 at 11:57 AM
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saaketham wrote:
https://nikonrumors.com/2023/08/08/the-shipping-date-of-the-new-nikon-nikkor-z-180-600mm-f-5-6-6-3-vr-lens-could-be-pushed-to-september.aspx/

Possibly pushed to September


Bummer. I had one of my local stores put me on a list for the 180-600 last week, and I said to him, "I know I'll likely be waiting a while" because I figured I'd be way down on orders, but I don't think they have placed all that many orders at that store. He told me that he didn't think I'd be waiting very long at all. But if Nikon delays shipment, of course, that'd be out of their control.



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1bwana1 wrote:
The G2 versions of this series are a project of Tamron to take this important trinity upscale feature and performance wise. For this long FL, in lens stabilization adds great value in the same lighting and subject situations by allowing you to shoot at lower shutter speeds, therefore lower at ISO, improving IQ.

The usb driven lens configuration system is a very important evolution inside Tamron. In a recent presentation on lens designing Tamron made to its VIP members they said that this as the future of its lenses. It provides users with the same options and customizations that the advanced
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Interesting perspective Steve. I am very happy that Nikon is providing the 70-180 f/2.8 and while I can see the advantages of having the newer version for me having the older version that Nikon is providing fits my need better than the newer version that is coming for Sony E mount for four reasons. First, this lens is on the border of what I am willing to put up with in terms of size and keeping it smaller, even if it just a little smaller is an advantage for the Nikon version. Second, for my use of the lens VR isn't really useful. I will be using it the most for sports (indoor basketball shots of my son) where VR won't help at all because I will need high shutter speeds, and almost all my other use will be portraits where two stops of VR is really all that is useful and I can easily get that with the IBIS in the camera. Third, for the sports shooting I will appreciate having 20 fps over 15 fps at times, and fourth for some outdoor portraiture and occasional wildlife shooting I will appreciate being able to add a 1.4X TC for a 100-250 f/4 lens. Sure you gain OS (i.e., VR) with the Sony lens and you might get a bit better optics (but honestly the first Sony version is quite good optically), but I would rather have the slightly smaller size, the ability to shoot at higher fps, and the ability to use a TC that the Nikon version provides. Of course different people might very well have different perspectives, but I think this is a really nice lens and a really nice price for Nikon users.



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Steve Spencer wrote:
But I think this is a really nice lens and a really nice price for Nikon users.


Well I guess version 1 may be a better fit for you. But it would have been possible to have version two with TC and full FPS for the Z mount as that is just listening issues that are free to implement.

The fact is that the Nikon version is getting less features, , configurability, warrantee, and support, for more money just to put the Nikon name on the lens. Pay more for less, plenty of ways to rationalize that proposition.

By the way, the new version is only about 50gms heavier, and 6.5mm longer. Hardly noticeable unless holding side by side. That is for the e-mount version. Do we know what the final weight and length of the old version adapted to the larger Z mount is?




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Can't compare Z mount to E mount...everyone knows that wider mount is much superior.


Aug 10, 2023 at 10:32 AM
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mogul wrote:
Can't compare Z mount to E mount...everyone knows that wider mount is much superior.


Of course it is. Marketing has said so...



Aug 10, 2023 at 10:43 AM
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Everyone was happy with G1, Sony users included, they even said how much the G1 didn't need VC/VR. Now Tamron released the G2. We are not going to stop hearing how much the Nikon people are missing out, how much we're going to overpay. Guys, shoot your shots over there at Sony, let us shoot ours over here at Nikon. We are fine, really.


Aug 10, 2023 at 10:52 AM
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1bwana1 wrote:
Well I guess version 1 may be a better fit for you. But it would have been possible to have version two with TC and full FPS for the Z mount as that is just listening issues that are free to implement.

The fact is that the Nikon version is getting less features, , configurability, warrantee, and support, for more money just to put the Nikon name on the lens. Pay more for less, plenty of ways to rationalize that proposition.

By the way, the new version is only about 50gms heavier, and 6.5mm longer. Hardly noticeable unless holding side by side.
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The Nikon version is actually slightly lighter than the Sony Version I coming in at 795g. See this link at Nikon for the specs: https://imaging.nikon.com/imaging/lineup/lens/z-mount/z_70-180mmf28/

Like I said, I would rather have the lighter lens without VR for my uses than the heavier lens with VR. Of course other people will have other preferences. I also personally couldn't care less about configurability, but again that might matter to some.

So for me I am glad Nikon decided on an adaptation of the Version I. It fits my needs better, but of course other people will feel differently.



Aug 10, 2023 at 10:59 AM
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That is a more meaningful difference in weight. Like I have said I very much enjoyed the v1 when I owned it. It sounds like it will work well for your use case.


Aug 10, 2023 at 01:18 PM
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SiMuMe wrote:
Everyone was happy with G1, Sony users included, they even said how much the G1 didn't need VC/VR. Now Tamron released the G2. We are not going to stop hearing how much the Nikon people are missing out, how much we're going to overpay. Guys, shoot your shots over there at Sony, let us shoot ours over here at Nikon. We are fine, really.


I was pretty much happy with the v1 while I owned it. But for me stabilization, and TC use was an important omission for my use case. So I switched to an OEM when another lens without those compromises became available.

I wish you guys would stop seeing the World in a Sony vs Nikon mindset. This is not a discussion comparing Sony to Nikon at all. It is about how manufactures are managing third party lens relationships. Both Sony and Nikon have made decisions that affect their user base. As I mentioned earlier, Sony limits FPS and TC use. I wish they wouldn't.

Steve Spencer is viewing these compromises from the perspective of his particular use case. I am viewing them from mine. I have essential tremors so stabilization is of particular interest to me. I also like to travel light these days. The use of TCs enables me to leave a very large and heavy 100-400 at home and still have that FL covered. That is huge to me.

In all cases I would prefer to have a Tamron lens that is also Tamron branded. There are so many valuable features and services that Tamron offers that are lost when Nikon puts their name on the lens.

Once again, it is about third party compromises, not camera brand.

For the first time Nikon is allowing Tamron to release the 35-150 f/2-2.8 as a native Z mount Tamron badged lens. This affords Nikon users the full benefits that Tamron offers. I hope to see Nikon go this way more in the future.



Aug 10, 2023 at 01:31 PM
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Apparently Japan has now announced the shipping date to be August 31st


Aug 10, 2023 at 07:50 PM
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1bwana1 wrote:
I was pretty much happy with the v1 while I owned it. But for me stabilization, and TC use was an important omission for my use case. ...
In all cases I would prefer to have a Tamron lens that is also Tamron branded. There are so many valuable features and services that Tamron offers that are lost when Nikon puts their name on the lens.


The first thorough review of Z 70-180/2.8 I am aware of is from CameraLabs:
https://www.cameralabs.com/nikon-z-70-180mm-f2-8-review/
They compared the lens to the E-mount version, and tested it with Z TCs.
Their results are not so encouraging ...
Did they test a lemon?



Aug 11, 2023 at 10:48 AM
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I sure hope it’s just a bad copy. Would be really weird if the Nikon version was appreciably worse than the Tamron. If Gordon had tested on a Z7 II I might chalk it up to the sensor, as I have noticed the Z7 II needs more sharpening than my previous Canon or Sony bodies, but the Z8 (which Gordon used) seems to be as sharp out of the gate in RAW as competitors.


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