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Jman13 wrote:
Even if the 5DSR resolves a bit more detail, I’d want the R5 for landscape works simply for the dramatically better dynamic range, which is two full stops better in the R5.

Heck, I’d rather use an R8 for landscape work because of the DR. Poor DR for landscape photos is just a royal pain to deal with in a lot of situations.


Certainly that's a matter of individual perspective and priority. I' ve seen the DR charts at DxOmarks and elsewhere based on the sensor analysis, of course. But personally, I have rarely experienced big problems and limitations in real life landscape photography because of the "poor" DR of the 5DsR. Of course, it's wise to pay attention to the correct exposure and follow the ETTR rule. So I usually have had no need to lift the shadows for 2 stops etc. And tools like Topaz, PureRaw etc do an excellent job for me to reduce shadow noise if actually required. In any case, I have not faced a lot of critical situations with the 5DsR, though.

However, I agree that the R5 is more forgiving because of the wider DR span, though, and thus it may require less attention to the exposure in very demanding scenarios and not much post processing either. And of course, the R5 is a very good camera for landscapes, too. So as mentioned in my comment above, it's a personal decision if the noticably higher detail resolution of the 5DsR is needed or advantageous for the work - given the superiority of the R5 in most other areas. And I have the R5, too. But at least for me, the 5DsR does the best job for pure landscape photography, though, - and btw would never exchange it for a 24 Mp R8 therefor, no matter of its DR on paper. Your approach can be different, of course.

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Jun 21, 2023 at 08:06 PM
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Jman13 wrote:
Even if the 5DSR resolves a bit more detail, I’d want the R5 for landscape works simply for the dramatically better dynamic range, which is two full stops better in the R5.

Heck, I’d rather use an R8 for landscape work because of the DR. Poor DR for landscape photos is just a royal pain to deal with in a lot of situations.


You must do very different landscapes than I do, perhaps into the sun or jacking up the shadow areas
I don't usually find the EFCS (13-bit) mode of the R5 to be limiting, but often necessary to avoid the vibrations of tele lenses at slower shutter speeds. The AF bracketing function uses the 12-bit mode and that is a little visible sometimes, but one of the inherent limitations of the R5. So the R5 may or may not have substantilly higher DR in operation than the 5DsR, but that's not the main differentiator and of course the the 5DsR has a lot of old baggage.

https://photonstophotos.net/Charts/PDR.htm#Canon%20EOS%205DS%20R,Canon%20EOS%20R5,Canon%20EOS%20R5(ES),Canon%20EOS%20R5(HS)

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Jun 21, 2023 at 11:01 PM
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EB-1 wrote:
You must do very different landscapes than I do, perhaps into the sun or jacking up the shadow areas
I don't usually find the EFCS (13-bit) mode of the R5 to be limiting, but often necessary to avoid the vibrations of tele lenses at slower shutter speeds. The AF bracketing function uses the 12-bit mode and that is a little visible sometimes, but one of the inherent limitations of the R5. So the R5 may or may not have substantilly higher DR in operation than the 5DsR, but that's not the main differentiator and of course the the 5DsR has a
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EFCS is 14 bit, only HS+ mechanical bursts (EFCS or Full Mechanical) are 13 bit, all electronic shutter modes are 12 bit. EFCS is on all the time for me.

You should certainly ALWAYS have it on when shooting telephoto landscapes.



Jun 21, 2023 at 11:18 PM
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p.3 #4 · p.3 #4 · Can’t decide


Just to cite my sources

From Canon Europe (it’s on Canon Japan too, and you can see it in raw file data)

https://www.canon-europe.com/cameras/eos-r5/specifications/


Still Image Type
JPEG: 2 compression options RAW: RAW, C-RAW 14 bit (14-bit with Mechanical shutter and Electronic 1st Curtain, 13-bit A/D conversion with H+ mode, 12-bit A/D conversion with Electronic shutter, Canon original RAW 3rd edition) HEIF: 10bit HEIF is available in HDR shooting with [HDR PQ] set to [Enable] Complies with Exif 2.31 and Design rule for Camera File system 2.0 Complies with Digital Print Order Format [DPOF] Version 1.1



Here is an archival link for posterity:

https://archive.is/eq1c6



Jun 21, 2023 at 11:45 PM
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eddieb wrote:
I’m thinking of selling my 1Dx, 5DSr, and 6D mark ii and picking up an R5. I’ve always been happy with my collection but don’t want to be left behind. Yes or no and why. Thanks.


You'd have to decide if you want to sell 3 bodies that you're happy with. Doesn't sound like something I'd do myself but you'd have to figure out if you are interested in doing this

Looking at 5DsR prices recently, keh had them over $1400. I thought refurbished <$1k but apparently they've increased lately. 5D4 made the top 10 at lens rentals last year. None of the Sony or Nikon stills cameras did, really. DSLR's still seem really popular, so I doubt you'd get left behind.



Jun 22, 2023 at 01:41 AM
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Unless you need the faster fps or the superior AF, my main fear would be going from three bodies to one.

Whenever there might be something of interest I take one body with tele and one for wide angle. If I feel lazy, I´ll take the 24-240 on either the R5 and lack reach, or on the R7 and lack wide angle.

The decider for me is if I´m not using a body anymore, if it just gathers dust. Then I start considering what to do with it. That FOMO is a real thing though, usually driven by excessive consumption of forums or tubes. Here EB-1 does a great job at cooling desire down.



Jun 22, 2023 at 02:20 AM
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Jesse Evans wrote:
EFCS is 14 bit, only HS+ mechanical bursts (EFCS or Full Mechanical) are 13 bit, all electronic shutter modes are 12 bit. EFCS is on all the time for me.


I just want to point out that the OP’s 1DX is 14 bit all the time. Its mechanical shutter does 12fps, doesn’t have the bokeh problems of EFCS, and doesn’t show the rolling shutter of full electronic shutter on the non-stacked sensors.



Jun 22, 2023 at 02:41 AM
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I did similar (1D4, 1D3, 5D3 & 7D2) because the R5 is all those cameras in 1 package...for me. I can carry 1 camera and get the best of all worlds. I don't regret it at all. I will even consider the R5II if it makes sense...for me. However, I kept the 1DX because I have mostly EF lenses. I just don't want or need a collection of cameras anymore because I don't typical use them.


Jun 22, 2023 at 05:15 AM
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Since you have 3 cameras already, which to me is overkill, you should at least get rid of one. If you can get by with 1 camera then go for the R5, but remember it will cost you a lot more by the time you start deciding you need extra batteries, grip, right angle bracket, and of course RF lenses ("I'll just buy one to see...").


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melcat wrote:
I just want to point out that the OP’s 1DX is 14 bit all the time. Its mechanical shutter does 12fps, doesn’t have the bokeh problems of EFCS, and doesn’t show the rolling shutter of full electronic shutter on the non-stacked sensors.


And yet, even when in 12fps mechanical, the R5 has better dynamic range with 13 bits than the 1dx with 14. Also, there was all of the issues with mirror slap causing image stabilizer issues on some lenses (donno if the OP uses those lenses tho).

As you can see here, the 1DX series tops out at about the same available DR as the R5 in electronic shutter mode, while high speed+ mechanical is about 3/4 stop better than the 1DX II and III, and 2.5 stops better than the 1DX.

https://photonstophotos.net/Charts/PDR.htm#Canon%20EOS%201D%20X,Canon%20EOS%201D%20X%20Mark%20II,Canon%20EOS%201D%20X%20Mark%20III,Canon%20EOS%20R5(ES),Canon%20EOS%20R5(HS)

Granted, there is more to bit depth than dynamic range, but it is the biggest indicator of expected quality.



Jun 22, 2023 at 08:44 AM
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Robin Smith wrote:
Since you have 3 cameras already, which to me is overkill, you should at least get rid of one. If you can get by with 1 camera then go for the R5, but remember it will cost you a lot more by the time you start deciding you need extra batteries, grip, right angle bracket, and of course RF lenses ("I'll just buy one to see...").


The OP likely has batteries already, as he owns two other cameras which use compatible batteries (5DsR and 6DII)



Jun 22, 2023 at 09:27 AM
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AmbientMike wrote:
Looking at 5DsR prices recently, keh had them over $1400. I thought refurbished <$1k but apparently they've increased lately. 5D4 made the top 10 at lens rentals last year. None of the Sony or Nikon stills cameras did, really. DSLR's still seem really popular, so I doubt you'd get left behind.


I think the vast majority of people out there in the real world that just want to take pictures simply cannot justify the crazy prices of canons R system (it’s akin to the E-bike vs Pedal bike) the dslr is now the biggest bargain ever.
Personally I think the dslr will become the new “film camera” amongst the hippie crowd and those fancying a cheap way in to photography, maybe film cameras will slowly fade away - it’s just too expensive these days not to mention limiting. It’s like watching vhs, who the hell does that any more?



Jun 24, 2023 at 12:43 AM
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Thinking about grabbing a 6Dii while there’s still some lightly used inventory around. Love the R system and take it almost everywhere. A rugged DSLR at bargain prices is attractive, opening up possibilities too risky for the new / expensive stuff.


Jun 24, 2023 at 09:07 AM
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Not everybody can afford to keep up with Canon’s calendar of new camera introductions. The 1DX is a great camera and does what it’s supposed to do. Take pictures. I guess I’m talking myself into holding off selling perfectly good cameras. Might just wait for the R5 ll and see what Canon comes up with.

okafoja wrote:
I didn't know people still shoot with 1DX. I just googled and discovered that you can still get $500 or more for it. Better to get rid of it now that it's still worth something than wait.

You may think you are happy now, but wait until you try R5. After switching, you will wonder why it took you so long.




Jun 24, 2023 at 11:08 AM
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Hi Eddie, I think you should sell the DSLR and move to R5.

I had 1Dx2 and 5DsR back then. Sold the 1Dx for Sony A9 for the AF performance and was thinking to go all out Sony system. But thank God Canon announced and gave us R5 so sold the Sony lot for R5. I still have the 5DsR as my go-to landscape camera as I hate not having 50mp. Not long after acquiring the R5, I decided that the 5DsR need to go to a new home. Now I only left with R5 only and let's see what the R5 II would be like. I am hoping for an improvement on AF (R3) and stack sensor.

Regarding the lock-up, I may have it once or twice in my 2 years of mileage. I'm not sure if it is firmware related but I vaguely remember once on v1.5 and another one on v1.3. Since having the v1.8.1 I have not encountered any yet, fingers crossed it will stay this way.

YMMV you can only decide for yourself.



Jun 24, 2023 at 11:29 AM
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p.3 #16 · p.3 #16 · Can’t decide


eddieb wrote:
I’m thinking of selling my 1Dx, 5DSr, and 6D mark ii and picking up an R5. I’ve always been happy with my collection but don’t want to be left behind. Yes or no and why. Thanks.


Sorry to refer you to a link.
https://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/1814161/0#16282989..
90D, IDsMKII
Dan.



Jul 01, 2023 at 12:55 PM
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robinlee wrote:
Hi Eddie, I think you should sell the DSLR and move to R5.

I had 1Dx2 and 5DsR back then. Sold the 1Dx for Sony A9 for the AF performance and was thinking to go all out Sony system. But thank God Canon announced and gave us R5 so sold the Sony lot for R5. I still have the 5DsR as my go-to landscape camera as I hate not having 50mp. Not long after acquiring the R5, I decided that the 5DsR need to go to a new home. Now I only left with R5 only and let's see what
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Danpbphoto wrote:
Sorry to refer you to a link.
https://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/1814161/0#16282989..
90D, IDsMKII
Dan.

Nice input mate!
Dan



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