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Rajan Parrikar wrote:
I am still on a fully loaded Intel-based iMac Pro from 2018 and thus far it holds up splendidly for both photo and video processing. I plan to upgrade next year to the Mac Studio with (hopefully) the 3nm process M3 chip.

Yes. That's my intended plan too. Next upgrade I do, will probably be to the 3nm M3 chip. I really like the Studio design/setup so hopefully the Studio M3 Ultra 3nm.

Jun 06, 2023 at 09:44 AM

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p.2 #2 · p.2 #2 · Mac Pro and Mac Studio Upgraded

Jun 06, 2023 at 11:22 AM

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p.2 #3 · p.2 #3 · Mac Pro and Mac Studio Upgraded

jhapeman wrote:
The new MP was a giant letdown. My M1 Max Studios run circles around my 2019 Mac Pros in Lightroom. Don't get me wrong, those guys still do great for 3.5-year-old machines, but the Studio cost half as much and is so much snappier and performant in general use even if things like AI masking are similar overall.

I ordered up on M2 Ultra Studio today. No need for the max RAM as I never can saturate the 128GB on my current M1 Max Studio, so all I got was 128GB, but I did max out the GPU cores. The...Show more →

Let us know how much faster the M2 Ultra Studio is in LRC. I wish I could have waited until now to migrate from my Hackintosh to the Ultra Mac Studio. I suspect it will be 20-25% faster for the AI stuff which is important. Perhaps Apple bribed Adobe to code some optimizations for the new Mac Pro and Studio to export, import, as well as save faster in PS. Those tasks are underwhelming for me with my M1 Ultra Studio. And I wonder if the internal SSDs are faster. Strange that nobody did benchmarks at the WWDC so we can see non-Apple supplied performance numbers.

Jun 07, 2023 at 12:48 PM

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p.2 #4 · p.2 #4 · Mac Pro and Mac Studio Upgraded

Waiting for some benchmarks before I order.

I'm okay with my 2017 Intel processor and for $3000 I'd expect to not experience any lag in LRC

Jun 07, 2023 at 12:52 PM

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p.2 #5 · p.2 #5 · Mac Pro and Mac Studio Upgraded

Maybe some leftover Mac Studio M1 will get discounted, otherwise I might get Mac Mini M2 Pro. My computer from 2009 with Windows 7 and Phenom II 945 X4 has been pushed to limit ever since I got a 20 megapixel camera a couple of years ago so I've started thinking about possibly replacing it.

Jun 07, 2023 at 02:49 PM

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p.2 #6 · p.2 #6 · Mac Pro and Mac Studio Upgraded

ptakeuchi wrote:
Let us know how much faster the M2 Ultra Studio is in LRC. I wish I could have waited until now to migrate from my Hackintosh to the Ultra Mac Studio. I suspect it will be 20-25% faster for the AI stuff which is important. Perhaps Apple bribed Adobe to code some optimizations for the new Mac Pro and Studio to export, import, as well as save faster in PS. Those tasks are underwhelming for me with my M1 Ultra Studio. And I wonder if the internal SSDs are faster. Strange that nobody did benchmarks at the WWDC so we...Show more →

It's almost impossible to get faster export and import than a M1 Ultra Studio right now. I have some extremely powerful PCs at work with top of the line Nvidia cards and Intel Xeon and AMD Threadripper CPUs and they aren't even close. My M1 Ultra is 50% faster than my loaded 28-core 2019 Mac Pro on exports and over 100% faster than my 32-core and 64-core AMD Threadrippers, both with top of the line Nvidia RTX cards. I think you expect too much if you're not happy with what the M1 Ultra for these tasks; I don't think anything is better right now, except the upcoming M2 Ultra. We will know very soon when I get mine and do some tests--I should have it in a week.

Jun 07, 2023 at 02:55 PM

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p.2 #7 · p.2 #7 · Mac Pro and Mac Studio Upgraded

IrishDino wrote:
Waiting for some benchmarks before I order.

I'm okay with my 2017 Intel processor and for $3000 I'd expect to not experience any lag in LRC

The most performant computer I've ever used with Lightroom classic is the M1 Ultra; I expect the M2 Ultra to be slightly better, but the M2 Max in my MBP is no slouch either. No lag at all.

Jun 07, 2023 at 02:57 PM

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p.2 #8 · p.2 #8 · Mac Pro and Mac Studio Upgraded

doady wrote:
Maybe some leftover Mac Studio M1 will get discounted, otherwise I might get Mac Mini M2 Pro. My computer from 2009 with Windows 7 and Phenom II 945 X4 has been pushed to limit ever since I got a 20 megapixel camera a couple of years ago so I've started thinking about possibly replacing it.

There were discounts on M1 Studios with Costco in the last few weeks, not sure there's much extra stock left. You can always save money buying Apple certified refurb, too. I buy a lot that way, its just like new.

Jun 07, 2023 at 02:58 PM

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p.2 #9 · p.2 #9 · Mac Pro and Mac Studio Upgraded

Curious to hear from folks if the M2 Ultra is really worth it over the M2 Max for Lightroom and Photoshop purposes? It's a pretty hefty price difference but the benchmarks I've seen previously didn't show that big of a difference in LR usage (like exporting or preview generation).

Jun 07, 2023 at 02:58 PM

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LBJ2 wrote:
Apparently M1 was a watershed seller for Apple. Big shift in the industry and probably brought in a lot of new or returning Apple customers.

I think that's true. A lot of people who knew the new generation of chips were coming had put off replacing older gear, not wanting to make the mistake of ending up with the end-of-the-line non-Apple processor rather than the first-in-line M processor. On top of that, there was a lot of buzz about the speed from the new Apple silicon that raised the visibility of the new products.

(I got caught though. I had no choice but to replace my old-reliable 27" iMac that could no longer properly support OS updates... and my well-worn and beaten-up 11" MacBook Air... right before Apple silicon versions of both were released. Sigh. Fortunately the replacement iMac still handles Photoshop quite well, and I don't rely on the new Air for that very much.)

Jun 07, 2023 at 03:14 PM

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p.2 #11 · p.2 #11 · Mac Pro and Mac Studio Upgraded

TheEyesHaveIt wrote:
Curious to hear from folks if the M2 Ultra is really worth it over the M2 Max for Lightroom and Photoshop purposes? It's a pretty hefty price difference but the benchmarks I've seen previously didn't show that big of a difference in LR usage (like exporting or preview generation).

Even the M1 Max is just fine and dandy for LR and PS. There's no average use of either that necessitates the Ultra.

Jun 07, 2023 at 03:37 PM

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p.2 #12 · p.2 #12 · Mac Pro and Mac Studio Upgraded

This article from April 2022 is now old news, but maybe still a reference for some to consider:

"It seems that photo editors who rely on Lightroom are going to see the biggest performance improvement if they upgrade from the M1 Max to the M1 Ultra, while video editors using either Final Cut Pro or Premiere Pro will have to settle for a smaller performance bump."

https://www.dpreview.com/articles/6821380037/apple-m1-ultra-vs-m1-max-head-to-head-shootout

Like many others, I'm looking for similar comparison reviews for M2 Max vs M2 Ultra.

Interestingly for me when I run https://browserbench.org/Speedometer2.0/ on my M1 Ultra Studio computer compared to my M1 Max MBP, I see higher Safari browser scores on the M1 Max MBP 🤷🏽‍♂️

Jun 07, 2023 at 03:45 PM

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p.2 #13 · p.2 #13 · Mac Pro and Mac Studio Upgraded

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I think that's true. A lot of people who knew the new generation of chips were coming had put off replacing older gear, not wanting to make the mistake of ending up with the end-of-the-line non-Apple processor rather than the first-in-line M processor. On top of that, there was a lot of buzz about the speed from the new Apple silicon that raised the visibility of the new products.

(I got caught though. I had no choice but to replace my old-reliable 27" iMac that could no longer properly support OS updates... and my well-worn and beaten-up 11" MacBook Air......Show more →

The last couple of Intel iMac 27" are still very good and powerful photo editing machines and from my experience can last a very long time. Not to mention those still gorgeous 27" 5K panels.

Jun 07, 2023 at 04:48 PM

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p.2 #14 · p.2 #14 · Mac Pro and Mac Studio Upgraded

LBJ2 wrote:
This article from April 2022 is now old news, but maybe still a reference for some to consider:

"It seems that photo editors who rely on Lightroom are going to see the biggest performance improvement if they upgrade from the M1 Max to the M1 Ultra, while video editors using either Final Cut Pro or Premiere Pro will have to settle for a smaller performance bump."

https://www.dpreview.com/articles/6821380037/apple-m1-ultra-vs-m1-max-head-to-head-shootout

Like many others, I'm looking for similar comparison reviews for M2 Max vs M2 Ultra.

Interestingly for me when I run https://browserbench.org/Speedometer2.0/ on my M1 Ultra Studio computer compared to my M1 Max MBP, I see higher...Show more →

I have three, two Ultras and a Max, as well as Max versions of the M1 and M2 MacBook Pros. I have to say that you only really notice the extra power of the Ultra for photography on certain tasks, like large batch imports and exports, and AI apps like the new DeNoise in Lightroom and the Topaz apps. For 99% of people the Max is more than enough, but if you have the money or are doing big batches of images, then the Ultra will give a small boost for certain tasks. IMO the one thing that everyone using them for photography should do is get 64GB of RAM--that's a sweet spot for both now and future-proofing for continued growth of things like AI processing, where memory available to the GPU and Neural Engines does have a significant benefit.

If my M2 Ultra arrives by Wednesday I might be able to get in some basic testing, but I leave Saturday for two weeks of bird photography in the jungles of Ecuador, so if it arrives Thursday or Friday odds are I won't have much time for testing. I do expect it to perform better on some tasks just from comparing the M1 Max and M2 Max versions of the 16" MacBook Pro. I think the biggest noticeable boost in LR will come when the ANE bug is addressed and Adobe can let DeNoise use the neural engines. The base M chips through the Max versions all only have 16 neural engines, but the Ultra has 32. How well that will scale will be very interesting to see!

Jun 08, 2023 at 07:37 AM

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p.2 #15 · p.2 #15 · Mac Pro and Mac Studio Upgraded

jhapeman wrote:
I have three, two Ultras and a Max, as well as Max versions of the M1 and M2 MacBook Pros. I have to say that you only really notice the extra power of the Ultra for photography on certain tasks, like large batch imports and exports, and AI apps like the new DeNoise in Lightroom and the Topaz apps. For 99% of people the Max is more than enough, but if you have the money or are doing big batches of images, then the Ultra will give a small boost for certain tasks. IMO the one thing that everyone using...Show more →

What is the ANE bug. Where can I read about this?

Jun 08, 2023 at 10:26 AM

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p.2 #16 · p.2 #16 · Mac Pro and Mac Studio Upgraded

LBJ2 wrote:
What is the ANE bug. Where can I read about this?

There's not a lot out there. All we know is that in the Adobe support forums they have confirmed that there is a bug in the software for the ANE--it's not a hardware bug--and they had to disable it's use for DeNoise until Apple addresses it, and they expect significant performance gains when they can turn it back on. It's speculated it's the same bug that has been mentioned by DxO that causes a color shift when using the ANE for denoise. It is I believe restricted to MacOS Ventura.

Jun 08, 2023 at 10:38 AM

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p.2 #17 · p.2 #17 · Mac Pro and Mac Studio Upgraded

jhapeman wrote:
There's not a lot out there. All we know is that in the Adobe support forums they have confirmed that there is a bug in the software for the ANE--it's not a hardware bug--and they had to disable it's use for DeNoise until Apple addresses it, and they expect significant performance gains when they can turn it back on. It's speculated it's the same bug that has been mentioned by DxO that causes a color shift when using the ANE for denoise. It is I believe restricted to MacOS Ventura.

Phew. Took me some googling to find out what ANE means. Apple Neural Engine 🤪

"Both Adobe and DXO say they cannot use the Neural Engine because it has a bug. This is a longstanding issue that seems to have been introduced in Ventura and still has not been fixed. :-("

https://discussions.apple.com/thread/254833581

I thought I saw a bug fix note when I updated DXO PhotoLab 6 to ver 6.6.0 build 50, I think it said something about deploying a work-around, but not fixed.

" Bug fixes
• Temporary solution for Magenta color cast on Apple Ventura while using DeepPrime and DeepPrime XD.
• Temporary solution for chessboard patterns on Apple Monterey & Ventura for Xtrans with DeepPrime XD
processing.
o Those temporary solutions will be updated when Apple will deliver its own fix for macOS."

Jun 08, 2023 at 12:51 PM

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p.2 #18 · p.2 #18 · Mac Pro and Mac Studio Upgraded

gdanmitchell wrote:
and my well-worn and beaten-up 11" MacBook Air...

OT, but I also very much like the 11" MBA form factor. Unfortunately Apple has abandoned it and perhaps expects the iPad Pro to fill the gap. But IMO iPadOS doesn't replace MacOS. Even though I got a 14" MBP M1 Pro, I'm still traveling with the 2011 11" MBA if I don't need the horsepower or RAW processing of newer camera models. Needless to say I was disappointed that a 15" MBA was announced - size is going in the wrong direction, for me.

@jhapeman - looking forward to your M2 Ultra Studio numbers! (Even if it takes a few weeks.)

Jun 10, 2023 at 06:45 PM

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p.2 #19 · p.2 #19 · Mac Pro and Mac Studio Upgraded

Pugetbench tests run on a high end M2 Ultra Studio
https://petapixel.com/2023/06/12/apple-m2-ultra-mac-studio-review-it-shreds-through-photo-and-video-edits/

Jun 12, 2023 at 02:57 PM

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p.2 #20 · p.2 #20 · Mac Pro and Mac Studio Upgraded

Gonna to buy a Studio - thinking Max as I am just a hobbyist.

Anyone willing to throw out your prefered specs?

Thinking upgraded CPU, 64 GB ram, 4 TB storage.

(or should I get the ultra?)

Jun 13, 2023 at 09:44 AM

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