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Official: Leica Q3 Unveiled, Now Open for Pre-Orders

  
 
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RustyRus wrote:
Said usually by people who either have never used one, can't afford one or have something different so the brand you are not using is bad.


There's definitely some truth to that though. I am in no way saying Leica doesn't make extremely high quality products. They do, and they are worth a premium price. However, some of that price is definitely the name. They make exceptional optics, but so do a lot of other makers for a fraction of the cost (look at the Voigtlander 50/2 APO vs the summicron 50 APO). Or the cameras that Leica and Panasonic have released that are identical except for the badge, where the Leica is 80% more expensive, and they are literally the same camera.

With something like the Q, or the M cameras, though, no one else makes anything quite up to that standard, so the premium is worth it for many people. But I do think they could also reduce prices a bit, increase volume and turn a similar profit.



May 25, 2023 at 07:47 PM
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Thatís too bad that there isnít a full screen readout of a crop and only frame lines.


As an M shooter I have gotten used to frame lines. Being able to see the environment around the image can be a big benefit at times.



May 25, 2023 at 08:12 PM
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RustyRus wrote:
Said usually by people who either have never used one, can't afford one or have something different so the brand you are not using is bad.


This level of defensiveness is absurd, lol. Sure, the original response was snarky, but there is absolutely a "Leica Tax." The things they do really well matter more to some people than they do to others.

The Q3 looks sick but it feels too close in price to a M11, which I'd rather have for the additional lens options. Going to rent one once they hit the rental houses and see how I like it.



May 25, 2023 at 08:15 PM
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One thing I got out of this release is related to my M11. The Q3 has a door on the side of the camera body for the two ports. The M11 has an open USB port on the bottom. I have been thinking that this was a silly place to put that port. But looking at the Q3 I don't think I would want the simple lines of my M11 interrupted on the sides by a door or port.


May 25, 2023 at 08:17 PM
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Jman13 wrote:
There's definitely some truth to that though. I am in no way saying Leica doesn't make extremely high quality products. They do, and they are worth a premium price. However, some of that price is definitely the name. They make exceptional optics, but so do a lot of other makers for a fraction of the cost (look at the Voigtlander 50/2 APO vs the summicron 50 APO). Or the cameras that Leica and Panasonic have released that are identical except for the badge, where the Leica is 80% more expensive, and they are literally the same camera.

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Yes, exactly my thought. 35mm and 50mm APO lenses vs CV's alternatives. It simply does not make sense. I have not tried Leica's variants but nicer handling for extra 10k+ sounds like a lot.



May 25, 2023 at 08:18 PM
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Jman13 wrote:
There's definitely some truth to that though. I am in no way saying Leica doesn't make extremely high quality products. They do, and they are worth a premium price. However, some of that price is definitely the name. They make exceptional optics, but so do a lot of other makers for a fraction of the cost (look at the Voigtlander 50/2 APO vs the summicron 50 APO). Or the cameras that Leica and Panasonic have released that are identical except for the badge, where the Leica is 80% more expensive, and they are literally the same camera.

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Nothing out of the ordinary in this at all.

Almost every class of product has similar structures of quality, exclusivity, and price. It is expected and normal. The relative price of Leica products to Societal averages hasn't changed since the very first Leica. A one lens Leica M kit is priced to cost between 2.5 and 3 times the average German Executive monthly Salary

Live in an exclusive area? Pay $2,000 a sqft while the average areas at $$500 sqft

Wear an exclusive watch? Pay more to keep the same time.

Drive an exclusive car? Pay much much more to travel the same roads at the same speeds.

What I do object to is when quality and/or service of an exclusive product doesn't live up to exclusive standards.



May 25, 2023 at 08:29 PM
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Some really cringe comments in this thread. Did this accidentally get cross-posted to the Sony forum?

The Q is a camera you canít overthink. Itís just an incredibly useful, incredibly enjoyable camera. Iíd much rather spend $6K on the Q3 than on a high end mirrorless camera and lens.



May 25, 2023 at 08:52 PM
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I've never heard of Darkroom until now. Looks like both Adobe and Darkroom are now integrated to FOTOS. Curious to know more about Darkroom and why. Perhaps a more user-friendly mobile video editor?


Just a guess but maybe a more friendly developer experience for Leica to customize integration with their app. In this relationship Leica is probably able to exert more control and is a kind of client Darkroom's developers could benefit from when marketing to other potential customers. I just can't see Leica being able to have such sway in their relationship with Adobe.

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Yes, exactly my thought. 35mm and 50mm APO lenses vs CV's alternatives. It simply does not make sense. I have not tried Leica's variants but nicer handling for extra 10k+ sounds like a lot.


After using the M system for just over 12 years, and having owned many Zeiss ZM, Voigtlander VM and Leica M lenses, I do feel the 'user experience' with Leica's lenses is better. The ergonomics are more consistent when switching between multiple lenses from the same generation. The optical differences between ZM, VM and M are more subtle and if this is your primary criteria, then yes, I can see your point. That said, at least in respect to the two 35 APOs, based strictly on what I've seen posted over the years, I definitely prefer the 'look' of the Cron over the VM across a wider range of scenarios. If you're just shooting deep focus scenes with everything sharply focused, then the VM will be fine. But if you want smoother background blur at certain camera to subject to background distance ratios, then IMO the Cron APO is the one to get (if you can find and afford one). There's also a notable size difference between the two, likely a reason for Leica's significant premium. They designed the 35 Cron AA with rangefinder use first and foremost in mind and sized it accordingly. Cosina on the other hand appeared to prioritize optical performance over harmonious M system integration. It's a long lens, longer than the 50 Lux ASPH. But as a 35 with the wider frame lines, significantly cuts into the field of view. That's kind of a big deal for some M users.

As I've stated for years, Leica will never win an 'on paper' spec shootout against other mainstream camera brands or other lens brands compatible with their systems. It's really something that has to be experienced to evaluate whether or not it makes sense for you. It also helps to be able to completely disregard the amount of money you spent to assemble such a system.



May 25, 2023 at 08:56 PM
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Just a guess but maybe a more friendly developer experience for Leica to customize integration with their app. In this relationship Leica is probably able to exert more control and is a kind of client Darkroom's developers could benefit from when marketing to other potential customers. I just can't see Leica being able to have such sway in their relationship with Adobe.

After using the M system for just over 12 years, and having owned many Zeiss ZM, Voigtlander VM and Leica M lenses, I do feel the 'user experience' with Leica's lenses is better. The ergonomics are more consistent when
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Not that many that can disregard the cost of assembling a Leica based system. Just like not that many can disregard mortgaging to the hilt to live in that $10,000,000 home on the ocean bluff.



May 25, 2023 at 09:04 PM
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chez wrote:
Not that many that can disregard the cost of assembling a Leica based system. Just like not that many can disregard mortgaging to the hilt to live in that $10,000,000 home on the ocean bluff.


I live in a neighborhood full of $10,000,000 homes, and know many people who live in them. I just sold one of the ones I owned as an investment property. People who live in $10,000,000 homes, including the nice couple who bought the one I sold, don't generally have mortgages. They are almost always paid for in cash. It is the mid priced homes and below generally where people are mortgaged to the hilt.



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RustyRus wrote:
Honestly though for most people who buy this camera, putting a flash or something on this camera isn't all that common. We should run a poll on who has used a flash on a Q camera. My guess is sub 20%.

That still may be high.


Sure, but wouldn't you feel better about spending the money on the OEM offering if it still allowed for the option of using an on-camera strobe or a remote for strobes? I understand it's not "that camera" for most, but they're charging quite a bit to unnecessarily remove that option.



May 25, 2023 at 09:25 PM
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Does it feel like a proper M camera and M lens?


May 25, 2023 at 09:29 PM
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1bwana1 wrote:
One thing I got out of this release is related to my M11. The Q3 has a door on the side of the camera body for the two ports. The M11 has an open USB port on the bottom. I have been thinking that this was a silly place to put that port. But looking at the Q3 I don't think I would want the simple lines of my M11 interrupted on the sides by a door or port.


Absolutely! Personally, I wouldn't like a plastic door on my M camera's side, even though it might work well for the Q model.
I must say, Leica deserves credit for what they did with the M11. They managed to introduce numerous new features while maintaining a simple menu system and preserving the iconic appearance of the camera body, particularly the rangefinder experience.



May 25, 2023 at 10:04 PM
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chez wrote:
Not that many that can disregard the cost of assembling a Leica based system.


Might also depend on how long it takes to assemble and how one assembles it. I probably averaged $5k/year for a while, which is easy to do for any camera system. I also bought a significant percentage used.



May 25, 2023 at 10:31 PM
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Absolutely! Personally, I wouldn't like a plastic door on my M camera's side, even though it might work well for the Q model.
I must say, Leica deserves credit for what they did with the M11. They managed to introduce numerous new features while maintaining a simple menu system and preserving the iconic appearance of the camera body, particularly the rangefinder experience.


Yes, Leica executed brilliantly in that respect. Additional when they felt it appropriate to have a couple more programable buttons and dials available to maximize the usability of new features, they didn't accomplish that by adding more buttons and dials. That would junk up the camera's appearance. . Instead they made the existing dials dual purpose. direct scroll plus Click and scroll, Click and hold, creative things like that. Leica seems committed to maintain the pre-digital look, feel, and haptics of their classic M (and the Q the emulates that) cameras. I very much appreciate that esthetic.



May 25, 2023 at 10:51 PM
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rscheffler wrote:
Might also depend on how long it takes to assemble and how one assembles it. I probably averaged $5k/year for a while, which is easy to do for any camera system. I also bought a significant percentage used.


Buying used Leica is not so much a matter of spending money. It is more a reallocation of equity. You get your money back if you choose wisely, buy deliberately, and take care of your purchases. It is possible that managed correctly a Leica system will be the lowest net cost camera system you can own.



May 25, 2023 at 10:54 PM
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chez wrote:
Not that many that can disregard the cost of assembling a Leica based system. Just like not that many can disregard mortgaging to the hilt to live in that $10,000,000 home on the ocean bluff.


You can put together a pretty amazing Leica M system for not that much money.

For less than $5,000 you can pick up:

Leica M240 - $2,500
Voigtlander 28 f/2 - $900 (new)
Voigtlander 50 f/2 APO - $750 (used)
Voigtlander 90 f/2.8 APO - $550 (used)

Total $4,700 with lets you buy an extra battery and a nice strap

That is a pretty classic and high performing kit.

For $7,500 you can upgrade the camera to an M10 and maybe add a nice wide angle like the Voigtlander 21 f/1.4. The point is that you can now get a very capable Leica M kit and it doesn't have to break the bank.



May 26, 2023 at 06:04 AM
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1bwana1 wrote:
As an M shooter I have gotten used to frame lines. Being able to see the environment around the image can be a big benefit at times.


I've owned a Q2 and now shoot with a Q2M...and also used an M10 for a couple of years. I routinely shot my Q2 and Q2M at 28/35/50 using the crop button (I shoot in DNG to preserve the full size image). I love the ability to see outside the frame line when composing and shooting and think there's a great compromise that Leica could use on the Q3, likely easily accomplished via firmware update.

When shooting at 35mm on the Q, seeing the 28mm FOV is perfect - pretty much like you get on an M body. Some have proposed zooming in to the full cropped image when using 35/50/75/90. I think it would be perfect if when zooming to 50mm, the full viewfinder gave you the 35mm FOV. Likewise, when at 75mm (which may actually be useable on the Q3), have the viewfinder give you the 50mm FOV. To me, it seems like the best of both worlds. You still get to see outside the desired shooting focal length, but when you are shooting at 50mm or 75mm, you get a better feel for what is in the frame because you're zoomed in further. The same holds with 90mm (VF FOV of 75mm), though personally, I'd only use that in a pinch.

Of course, since I shoot in DNG, I'd still get the full image file to edit a crop later if so desired. The benefit would be that I get to frame my composition in camera at the focal length field of view I desire.

Steve



May 26, 2023 at 07:02 AM
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One would hope that this particular forum is a place where one wouldn't need to justify or rationalize buying a Leica. Let's leave the guilt/shaming/value discussions out of it and focus (pun intended) on discussing the experiences, pros & cons, and tips regarding using the new Leica Q3. Namaste!


May 26, 2023 at 07:25 AM
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This would be great as well. Please send your suggestions to Leica and hopefully they will listen.

Steve Miller wrote:
I've owned a Q2 and now shoot with a Q2M...and also used an M10 for a couple of years. I routinely shot my Q2 and Q2M at 28/35/50 using the crop button (I shoot in DNG to preserve the full size image). I love the ability to see outside the frame line when composing and shooting and think there's a great compromise that Leica could use on the Q3, likely easily accomplished via firmware update.

When shooting at 35mm on the Q, seeing the 28mm FOV is perfect - pretty much like you get on an M body. Some have
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