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p.2 #1 · p.2 #1 · R100

You have an R6. What kind of R100 kit would you put together? And would you?

May 25, 2023 at 07:20 PM

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p.2 #2 · p.2 #2 · R100

Jeff Nolten wrote:
You have an R6. What kind of R100 kit would you put together? And would you?

I'm probably not the target for an R100 but it would be a second camera so I'd probably just use my existing RF lenses in situations where I don't need wide angles. An RF 15-30 gives a 24-48 equivalent which could work if you need something decently wide and don't need to stop action in low light. The typical buyer of this camera will likely be plenty happy with the RF-S 18-45 and 55-210. I have an ancient Rebel XT and some version of the EF-S 18-45 and even that craps all over smart phone photos.

May 25, 2023 at 07:40 PM

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p.2 #3 · p.2 #3 · R100

Jeff Nolten wrote:
So what I don't get is Canon has the R7, R10, R50, and R100 but only one lens, the 18-150, that is decent and APS-C.

There are also the RF-S 18-45mm F4.5-6.3 IS STM and RF-S 55-210mm F5-7.1 IS STM lenses. Are those not decent? For the intended target market, these lenses will do a lot more, and a lot better, than can be done with a phone. Even with an old sensor, no IBIS, etc., shooting SOOC jpegs in a partially recycled body...

It would be nice to see the EF-M 32/1.4 ported over to RF-S and a few other nifty primes. But if Canon can address both FF and APS-C with lenses like the 28 pancake, 16/2.8, 50/1.8 that are small, then hopefully they'll keep the ball rolling with more small, interesting and reasonably priced lenses that can serve both sensor sizes.

May 25, 2023 at 09:11 PM

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p.2 #4 · p.2 #4 · R100

rscheffler wrote:
There are also the RF-S 18-45mm F4.5-6.3 IS STM and RF-S 55-210mm F5-7.1 IS STM lenses. Are those not decent? For the intended target market, these lenses will do a lot more, and a lot better, than can be done with a phone. Even with an old sensor, no IBIS, etc., shooting SOOC jpegs in a partially recycled body...

It would be nice to see the EF-M 32/1.4 ported over to RF-S and a few other nifty primes. But if Canon can address both FF and APS-C with lenses like the 28 pancake, 16/2.8, 50/1.8 that are small, then hopefully they'll...Show more →

The biggest missing RF-S lens is something like a 10-20. Ultrawide is the only range that can't be covered by a relatively compact existing or future RF lens. Once they have that, someone can cover 95% of the typical range with 2-3 affordable RF-S lenses. Anything else can be handled with RF lenses.

May 25, 2023 at 09:25 PM

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p.2 #5 · p.2 #5 · R100

EB-1 wrote:
The phone costs twice as much and comes with a lens but no tripod mount.

EBH

Wait a minute. I have one of these and it makes my S23 Ultra equal to a R3.

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0BM4G8H2G/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1

May 25, 2023 at 10:17 PM

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p.2 #6 · p.2 #6 · R100

Mike_5D wrote:
I'm probably not the target for an R100 but it would be a second camera so I'd probably just use my existing RF lenses in situations where I don't need wide angles. An RF 15-30 gives a 24-48 equivalent which could work if you need something decently wide and don't need to stop action in low light. The typical buyer of this camera will likely be plenty happy with the RF-S 18-45 and 55-210. I have an ancient Rebel XT and some version of the EF-S 18-45 and even that craps all over smart phone photos.

It comes down to how you will use the photos. If they are for viewing on a screen with 4k resolution, or less, then about any smartphone is acceptable for IQ and resolution. An image coming from an 8mp camera is basically 4k resolution. The S23 Ultra I have is rather impressive when considering its capabilities. After getting it and the R8, I no longer have a need for APS-C cameras because the Ultra covers so much of what an APS-C camera can do and in many cases it can exceed one. It does this with a vastly smaller form factor. I don't make large prints, view photos on greater than 4k screens and pixel peep rarely. For sharing via text, posting on Fakebook, InstaHam or Twatter or just capturing a mundane moment one doesn't need an ILC these days.

This is why smartphones are quickly eating up the ILC market segment. I am their latest victim with the Ultra making APS-C inconsequential for my needs. Then Canon sealed this by bringing out the R8 which is small, lightweight and very capable when using the consumer grade lenses like the RF 240-240mm, 100-400mm, 85mm f/2 and other primes. I would wager that the R8 stole more sales from Canon's APS-C camera line than Nikon and Sony combined.

May 25, 2023 at 10:38 PM

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p.2 #7 · p.2 #7 · R100

rscheffler wrote:
There are also the RF-S 18-45mm F4.5-6.3 IS STM and RF-S 55-210mm F5-7.1 IS STM lenses. Are those not decent? For the intended target market, these lenses will do a lot more, and a lot better, than can be done with a phone. Even with an old sensor, no IBIS, etc., shooting SOOC jpegs in a partially recycled body...

It would be nice to see the EF-M 32/1.4 ported over to RF-S and a few other nifty primes. But if Canon can address both FF and APS-C with lenses like the 28 pancake, 16/2.8, 50/1.8 that are small, then hopefully they'll...Show more →

I wonder if Canon released the R100 to completely own the extreme low, low end MILC ILC market segment moving forward that the other camera makers have ignored. Once the initial launch passes I bet they will regularly put this camera body on sale for under $400. Since DSLRs and the M system are approaching extermination, putting out the R100 might make a lot more sense than we realize.

May 25, 2023 at 10:50 PM

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p.2 #8 · p.2 #8 · R100

Don't you people think that Canon has a marketing dept. that figured out many months ago what price and capabilites the camera needed?

EBH

May 25, 2023 at 11:32 PM

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p.2 #9 · p.2 #9 · R100

rscheffler wrote:
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Mike_5D wrote:
The biggest missing RF-S lens is something like a 10-20. Ultrawide is the only range that can't be covered by a relatively compact existing or future RF lens. Once they have that, someone can cover 95% of the typical range with 2-3 affordable RF-S lenses. Anything else can be handled with RF lenses.

My original point is that Canon has released four APS-C R bodies and only three RF-S lenses. Two of those bodies, the R7 and R10 are fairly high end and deserve better than the likes of an 18-45 or 55-210. The two better bodies at least deserve something like the EF-S 55-250 f4-5.6 to cover near telephoto range. My G1X3 covers 15-45 f2.8-5.6 with far better IQ than the 15/18-45/55 variants and has the same 24 MP sensor.

I'm sure all these bodies take fine images. I admit the 18-150 is not bad if slow, like the RF 100-400. Other than those two lenses, I use adapted EF-S lenses on my R7 like I did with the M. We shall see what Canon does to support APS-C but I'm not optimistic.

May 26, 2023 at 09:39 AM

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p.2 #10 · p.2 #10 · R100

PicGuy wrote:
I wonder if Canon released the R100 to completely own the extreme low, low end MILC ILC market segment moving forward that the other camera makers have ignored. Once the initial launch passes I bet they will regularly put this camera body on sale for under $400. Since DSLRs and the M system are approaching extermination, putting out the R100 might make a lot more sense than we realize.

Some years ago one of the high-level Canon USA execs stated that the cost of entry barrier was still too high for a significant market segment to be encouraged to buy ILCs more or less on impulse, and wanted to bring it down even lower than where the R100 has been introduced. It appears that with mirrorless this is becoming more likely. Based on his comments, the R100's $500-800 range (body only, or kits), is still too high. I wonder if we might eventually see an R1000, too?

May 26, 2023 at 09:50 AM

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p.2 #11 · p.2 #11 · R100

rscheffler wrote:
Some years ago one of the high-level Canon USA execs stated that the cost of entry barrier was still too high for a significant market segment to be encouraged to buy ILCs more or less on impulse, and wanted to bring it down even lower than where the R100 has been introduced. It appears that with mirrorless this is becoming more likely. Based on his comments, the R100's $500-800 range (body only, or kits), is still too high. I wonder if we might eventually see an R1000, too?

I think Canon needs to offer a whole new genre of camera because ILCs are becoming more of a niche product as time passes. They should take a camera like the V10 and throw all the smartphone tech at it that they have available. Then let Android be its OS and run apps from the Play Store. Give it a decent 10x optical zoom lens with the 1" BSI sensor. Oh and give it SIMM capability too. This camera would be a smash hit with a wide variety of people from ILC users, to smartphone users and everyone in between. In fact, it might be too good and be competitive with too many ILC models. I would buy one of these in a second. Seeing what Samsung gets from a tiny sensor and lens in the S23 Ultra I can't imagine what the results would be from a 1" sensor and large optical lens. It would probably nullify APS-C cameras for all use cases but birding. Maybe this is why we aren't seeing this type of camera yet from one of the major ILC makers.

May 26, 2023 at 03:19 PM

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p.2 #12 · p.2 #12 · R100

I wish Canon would offer a pro body with more than 2008 resolution instead of competing with a cell phone.

EBH

May 26, 2023 at 03:26 PM

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p.2 #13 · p.2 #13 · R100

The R100 will sell, as customers don't do their research, just care a bout zoom range, and don't know about full frame equivalent apertures.

For crop DSLR's you could use the compact 24mm, but it was only f/2.8. You could also use the 40mm, but that was just f/2.8 too. The 50mm was f/1.8, but it was pretty soft wider than f/2.8, so that was effectively f/2.8 as well. The equivalent aperture is darker than just one f/4.0 zoom on a full frame body.

The M system came with some very nice f/1.4 options, Canons 32mm, the Sigma 16,30 and 56mm, and especially that last one was a stunning small portrait lens for travel. That was just once in history, it will never happen again. We're back in the crop DSLR days, with too much bodies, and too dark or too expensive primes. Of course you can mount an RF 24mm f/1.8 IS stm, but it's price tag compared to an R50 or R100 is waaaay too high. And even if it's worth it for you, there's still no nice 85mm-ish field of view portrait prime available. Of course there's the RF 50mm f/1.8 stm, but it's not sharp at wider apertures than f/2.8 (your full f/4.0 zoom on a full frame camera will do better), and the bokeh is pretty bad with complex back grounds. A low price doesn't make your pictures any better.

May 27, 2023 at 03:15 AM

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