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R7 for general bird photography: my take

  
 
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p.1 #1 · p.1 #1 · R7 for general bird photography: my take


My overall experience with the R7 has been pretty positive, especially in light of its $1500 price point. I use it pretty much exclusively for bird photography and with long telephoto lenses.

The main lens I’ve been using the camera with is the original EF 500mm f/4L IS USM that’s more than 20 years old. The particular unit I’ve been using was manufactured back in 2005. I’ve also used it a good bit with the EF 400mm f/4 DO IS USM from around the same time period. The other lenses I’ve used with the R7 are modern RF lenses (RF 100-500L, RF 100-400 and RF 800mm f/11).

My main interest is general bird photography typically in the environment (not so much at feeders/setups) and while I do some in-flight photography, it’s not my primary interest though it is of interest..

Overall I am pleased with the image quality from the R7 as long as I remember that it is a crop sensor camera and don’t push the ISO too far and also avoid underexposed images. I’m not big on de-noise software and generally try to stick with ISO 1600 or less and think that has served me well so far. I’m sure the camera can be pushed farther in terms of ISO and coupled with de-noise software with good results but I don’t really have much personal experience doing that as post processing isn’t really my strength.

I generally like the control layout of the R7 and if it was the only camera I use I’m sure I’d love it. However, if you’re using other R cameras alongside the R7 like I do the unique control layout can be frustrating at times. I do, however, really like that the R7 shares the same battery as the R6 and R5. In my experience the battery life with the R7 is quite good and in my opinion this is one of the strengths of the camera. I find that I’ve never needed more than two batteries for a full day of photography and most of the time I get through the day on a single battery.

The sensor readout speed on the R7 is a bit disappointing to me though it doesn’t keep the camera from being very useful. You just have to keep in mind its limitations. I love the ability to have a silent shutter and for static subjects I find the electronic shutter works well. I believe the images are “only” 12-bit in ES mode vs 14-bit with the mechanical shutter but I haven’t really noticed it being a big issue in my photography. Where I do notice the limitations of the ES is when I’m photographing action or particularly when I’m panning with a moving subject. Rolling shutter effects can definitely be obvious and annoying with the R7 in ES mode, often in the form of slanted objects in the background. I have also noticed some wild distortions when photographing hummingbirds using the ES.

The obvious answer to the rolling shutter problem is to use Mechanical Shutter or Electronic First Curtain Shutter. This drastically reduces rolling shutter effects though I believe you still get reduced bit-depth in EFCS mode. The other potential issue with these shutter modes is shutter shock. This typically shows up at slower shutter speeds in the 1/25s - 1/200s range. I’ve definitely observed shutter shock when using the R7, even in EFCS mode when the drive mode is set to 15 fps. Not all lenses are affected equally though I have noticed shutter shock In EFCS and 15fps for all three of the RF lenses that I’ve used with the R7. At slower frame rates I haven’t noticed any obvious signs of shutter shock in EFCS. This indicates to me that the workaround is to simply avoid max fps or use ES when in the shutter speed range of 1/25s - 1/200 sec. This isn’t usually a big deal because I’m not usually trying to photograph action sequences at these sorts of shutter speeds and I really don’t need 15fps for a static subject nor do I experience rolling shutter for static subjects. This could potentially be an issue for panning shots however.

Another area where I’ve sometimes encountered frustration with the R7 is with the buffer. In general I haven’t been challenged with the buffer on the R7 but when I have maxed out the buffer it has been maddening. I’ve tried to stick with v60 and v90 SD cards with the R7 which helps, but when you do fill the buffer, it can feel like an eternity for the buffer to clear. I’ve found that the R7 tends to sputter more than any other camera I’ve used when the buffer fills. I appreciate that Canon needed to hold back some for product segmentation and the buffer is one of the places I really notice it. For this reason, I tend to try to not be so free-wheeling with the bursts and this not only helps avoid buffer fits but also means less photos to delete when I get home.

One thing I’ve been very pleased about with the R7 is that I am able to get the full 15fps In EFCS mode even when using my old EF lenses. I do still get a reduced AF area but overall the camera allows me to extend the life of the old lenses nicely. In ES I’ve found that I am limited to 15fps with the old lenses. Interestingly enough, when using ES I have to switch to H drive mode to get 15fps as if I leave the camera in H+ i only get around 6fps instead of 30fps. It can be a little annoying when switching back and forth between EFCS and MS but since I’m usually only using ES for static subjects it’s actually a bit of a blessing as I don’t really want a bunch of the exact same image. I’ve set up the DOF preview button to toggle between EFCS and silent mode (ES) so I can quickly change mode if a bird flies past and then switch back to ES for the slower moving stuff…

I am for the most part very pleased with the AF of the R7. I do very much appreciate the features inherited from the R3 and in general find the AF experience better with the R7 than with the R5 and R6. The exception, in my experience is with really fast/erratic subjects (think swallows flying around). For those most challenging subjects I do think the R5 still has an edge though it’s really difficult to do a systematic comparison. My guess is that the difference in performance here is likely a consequence of the slow readout speed of the R7. I am pleasantly surprised by how much performance Canon does offer in a $1500 body.

One last thing I think is worth mentioning is that the sound of the shutter on the R7 is rather obvious. It reminds me of being back in the SLR days and it definitely gets attention from others when I’m not out by myself. I’d gotten used to a quieter shutter with the R5 & R6 so the R7 shutter sound was a bit jarring when I first started using it though I have gotten used to it now and I don’t think it’s any worse than the noise the flapping mirror made with my SLRs.

Overall, I’m pleased with the R7. I’d have gladly paid more for a bigger buffer and a faster readout speed (even the readout speed of the R5 or R8 would have been a nice improvement). At the end of the day this is a $1500 camera and I’m impressed with how little Canon held back.



May 22, 2023 at 03:54 PM
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p.1 #2 · p.1 #2 · R7 for general bird photography: my take


Nice review that mirrors my experience with the R7 so far. Thanks for posting.


May 23, 2023 at 10:08 AM
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I wish my R7 had the same layout as my R5 had and my R6II has. I used Fv for a while and switched back to M so I could map the rear dial for EV. Aperture is the adjustment I do the least so I moved that to the lens ring. Still not a fan of that. You can't map the magnify button for AF so I assigned the DOF for spot AF. My least used mode and I also never liked the DOF location for anything. With the layout getting to the magnify button when the body is at you eye would not have that easy anyway.

I don't like the sound of the clunky shutter. Some have mentioned the EVF is not as smooth but it has not bothered me in any way.

Before getting it I was a little concerned about the AF after some mixed reviews here. I'm finding it pretty amazing. It just finds the subject and locks on. I got several nice BIF with my 100-500 and the 1.4. As I understand it is like the other ML's it has an intelligent learning system so it gets better the more you use it? Gets to know your style.

Last week. 1st shot. This was too far away but no matter how many times I went to focus it locked on this duck. I didn't override eye detect with a manual AF mode. 2nd shot. A few months ago in Portugal I shooting ducks in with reeds behind them. 3rd shot it is flying flying away from me but it locked and through the burst sequence just kept tracking.

Either Canon stacks the sensor and/or has a smoother shutter I won't upgrade to the Mark II. Better buffer would help. I'd take this over a stacked sensor if it kept my costs down. 14 bit.














  Canon EOS R7    RF100-500mm F4.5-7.1 L IS USM + EXTENDER RF1.4x lens    700mm    f/10.0    1/3200s    1600 ISO    0.0 EV  






  Canon EOS R7    RF100-500mm F4.5-7.1 L IS USM lens    500mm    f/8.0    1/3200s    800 ISO    -0.3 EV  




May 23, 2023 at 11:14 AM
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One thing I don't like about the R7, and presumably other recent mirrorless, is that there is no one button solution to turn off tracking when you've turned in on in the menus. With the R5 I just select a non-tracking AF mode which can be assigned to a button or wheel. The only workaround I've found is to turn off tracking in the menus and then assign start/stop tracking to a button. This is what I've done in my default Av mode which my wife and I use for general photography. The start/stop tracking button can take me into tracking mode when I need it. I had a hard time figuring out that start/stop tracking only works when tracking is off in the menus. Thought I'd repeat that here.

I have the C1 custom mode set up for tracking and higher frame rate for wildlife use. C2 is electronic shutter. Also, I use CRAW as this gets me a better frame buffer.



May 23, 2023 at 01:57 PM
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Jeff Nolten wrote:
One thing I don't like about the R7, and presumably other recent mirrorless, is that there is no one button solution to turn off tracking when you've turned in on in the menus. With the R5 I just select a non-tracking AF mode which can be assigned to a button or wheel. The only workaround I've found is to turn off tracking in the menus and then assign start/stop tracking to a button. This is what I've done in my default Av mode which my wife and I use for general photography. The start/stop tracking button can take me
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Tracking in general or eye tracking?



May 23, 2023 at 02:25 PM
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Tracking in general. Eye tracking is assignable, I know. If you or anyone knows another solution for tracking in general I'd like to hear it. Don't mean to steal the thread.


May 23, 2023 at 02:29 PM
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p.1 #7 · p.1 #7 · R7 for general bird photography: my take


I thought I would post a few sample shots that I've taken with the R7 so far. I'm WAAAAY behind on post processing

http://Riverside Wren by Greg Lavaty, on Flickr


http://Northern Jacana by Greg Lavaty, on Flickr


http://American Pygmy Kingfisher by Greg Lavaty, on Flickr


http://Baird's Tapir by Greg Lavaty, on Flickr


http://Gray-breasted Wood-Wren by Greg Lavaty, on Flickr




http://Pale-billed Woodpecker by Greg Lavaty, on Flickr


http://Resplendent Quetzal by Greg Lavaty, on Flickr


http://Olive-backed Euphonia by Greg Lavaty, on Flickr


http://Southern Lapwing by Greg Lavaty, on Flickr


http://Northern Jacana by Greg Lavaty, on Flickr


http://Gray-throated Chat by Greg Lavaty, on Flickr


http://American Flamingo by Greg Lavaty, on Flickr


http://Short-eared Owl by Greg Lavaty, on Flickr


http://Eastern Meadowlark by Greg Lavaty, on Flickr


http://Mourning Dove by Greg Lavaty, on Flickr


http://Great Egret by Greg Lavaty, on Flickr


http://Roseate Spoonbill by Greg Lavaty, on Flickr


http://American Oystercatcher by Greg Lavaty, on Flickr


http://Lesser Yellowlegs by Greg Lavaty, on Flickr


http://Painted Bunting by Greg Lavaty, on Flickr


http://Blackburnian Warbler by Greg Lavaty, on Flickr
http://Spangle-cheeked Tanager by Greg Lavaty, on Flickr



May 23, 2023 at 10:52 PM
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Jeff Nolten wrote:
Tracking in general. Eye tracking is assignable, I know. If you or anyone knows another solution for tracking in general I'd like to hear it. Don't mean to steal the thread.


I wish I knew, I pretty much use eye-tracking all the time.



May 23, 2023 at 10:55 PM
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The shutter sound, both mechanical and EFCS, is enough to scare songbirds and hummingbirds as I experienced today. Silent shutter is unusable for anything that moves.

Cheers

George



Aug 30, 2023 at 08:04 PM
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Many of the OPS findings are the same as what I have encountered with my R7. I use it only for birds and wildlife 95% of the time with my Sigma 500mm F4. I shoot in all three modes, handheld, on a monopod and once a while on a tripod with a gimbal.

I started off using the electronic first curtain but have slowly migrated to using electronic a greater percentage of the time. I recently had an encounter with Hummingbirds and stayed in electronic mode the whole time. The results were very good even when they were in flight hovering above a flower. If I am shooting birds in flight where I am panning I willl use electronic first curtain.

I find that the files are excellent when it comes to post processing and the noise cleans up nicely in Lightroom.

My friend and I both agree that we would pay twice as much for a professional level crop camera, but I don't think that Canon will ever release one.



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dhlewis wrote:
My friend and I both agree that we would pay twice as much for a professional level crop camera, but I don't think that Canon will ever release one.


They just need to make a MK II with a faster sensor, CFe cards, and implement the traditional rear dial rather than that awful tiny ring around the joystick.
It really should not cost much more than the 7D/7D II with maybe some inflation. An expensive APS-C body is not going to sell well when a company has superior FX/FF bodies for everything but reach.

EBH



Aug 31, 2023 at 05:34 PM
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This was my Hummingbird experience yesterday in electronic mode, with camera and lens on a gimbal on monopod.




  Canon EOS R7    RF100-500mm F4.5-7.1 L IS USM lens    428mm    f/6.3    1/1600s    640 ISO    0.0 EV  




Aug 31, 2023 at 07:24 PM
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I always use MS for hummers to avoid those artifacts.

EBH



Sep 01, 2023 at 06:19 AM
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If the R7 had the same control layout as my R5, I would have bought one.

It doesn't, so I didn't.



Sep 01, 2023 at 08:33 AM
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p.1 #15 · p.1 #15 · R7 for general bird photography: my take


Love the R7, use mine more than anything at the moment for a lot of reasons. It'll be in the bag even after the R1 comes to be.




Sep 01, 2023 at 08:48 AM
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Sy Sez wrote:
If the R7 had the same control layout as my R5, I would have bought one.
It doesn't, so I didn't.


I actually like the top layout of the R7 better than my R5. I like the on/off switch position because it is so easy to flip it on as I brings it up to my eye - have to stop and look on the R5. Because of the mirrorless need for power, I keep them turned off when not in active use. I also prefer the joy stick position and surrounding exposure adjust wheel. Took some getting used to but its right there under my thumb.

The R5 has more real estate for the rear wheel but the R7's toggle is unassigned by default. I use both to select among focus areas, and mode in the R5's case. The wheel is more natural for this but both get the job done.

Finally I prefer the old style mode dial of the R7. The button + wheel + LCD is more fiddly. Yes it allows for custom modes for video but I don't take advantage of that.

After configuration and familiarity, both cameras do their jobs well. IMHO.



Sep 01, 2023 at 12:35 PM
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EB-1 wrote:
I always use MS for hummers to avoid those artifacts.

EBH


This was the Hummingbird reaction in MS shutter mode as it was startled and left

Cheers

George







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George Welch wrote:
This was my Hummingbird experience yesterday in electronic mode, with camera and lens on a gimbal on monopod.


In cases like that there is no reason not to shoot at your camera's highest burst rate in electronic mode. That way you are certain to get some images that show no sign of rolling-shutter effect. At least with the R6 II.

Yes there are many birds that get spooked from shutter-sound.



Sep 02, 2023 at 10:42 AM
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Hi Tony,

Thanks for the comment. That would be the case with the R5. I don't use ES for that because it is only silent and hard to tell how many exposures you are making.

For the R7, I only showed one shot of the burst, and all were affected.

George



Sep 02, 2023 at 10:51 AM
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After a while the hummers should get used to the shutter, but the R7 is louder than some and the rolling shutter is bad. The R5 runs out of butter fairly quickly on ES yet it will get a decent number with the OK wings. The R5 II should solve some of the limitations.

EBH



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