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6D + 40stm & iPhone for Portugal holiday??

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p.3 #1 · p.3 #1 · 6D + 40stm & iPhone for Portugal holiday??

I vote for your original idea to only bring the 6D and 40 f2.8. Although I typically travel with 2 cameras and 3-4 lenses, I also tried this exact combi in Scotland and the Netherlands and was very lucky with it. The IQ from the 40 is great (sharpness, flare resistance). And as someone who feels at home especially in wide and ultrawide viewing angles: the 40mm is also one of the best lenses to casually stitch images for wider panorama shots. Furthermore, the battery life from the 6D is fantastic, much better than from modern mirrorless cameras.

May 25, 2023 at 07:21 AM

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p.3 #2 · p.3 #2 · 6D + 40stm & iPhone for Portugal holiday??

Pixelpuffin wrote:
But to answer your question they are just memories of family holiday. I tend not to kid myself I’m some kind of virtuoso, I’m honest enough to realise my own ability these days - hence I’m just grateful if I catch the moment and it’s sharp too…everything else is a bonus.

The idea of hauling some big ass white zoom on a family holiday is the stuff of nightmares for me.

There are still options and you get to make the choice, but from what you write here I suspect that the solution lies somewhere between relying on the iPhone and using your M50, with the latter equipped with either a small prime or a single zoom.

Dan

May 25, 2023 at 10:02 AM

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p.3 #3 · p.3 #3 · 6D + 40stm & iPhone for Portugal holiday??

It seems this thread is another Rabbit Hole and typical of the kind that OP starts :-).

It seems the OP is not really into photography (although he loves the gear), and his replies are all over the map.

I would suggest the OP just bring the iPhone and have a good holiday.

May 25, 2023 at 11:55 AM

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p.3 #4 · p.3 #4 · 6D + 40stm & iPhone for Portugal holiday??

DailyShooter wrote:
It seems this thread is another Rabbit Hole and typical of the kind that OP starts :-).

It seems the OP is not really into photography (although he loves the gear), and his replies are all over the map.

I would suggest the OP just bring the iPhone and have a good holiday.

Wow, nasty??

To everyone else…
Thanks for all your comments and advice

I think I’m going to go with the original plan of the 6D/40stm ( I’ll also shove the Lumix TZ70 in the suitcase just incase) but I might change the 6D/40 combo last minute for the SL2/15-85, but I also do think that’s very unlikely. I just like the 6D too much.

So, for the next 4wks I will only use the 6d/40 to ensure I get familiar. My everyday camera is the 5d3 but that’s just too heavy and would definitely get left in the hotel room.

Also I’m going to shoot RAW, first time ever!! I took a few shots in the garden yesterday and opened them using windows picture editor to view. Everything seemed fine

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May 25, 2023 at 12:53 PM

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p.3 #5 · p.3 #5 · 6D + 40stm & iPhone for Portugal holiday??

Pixelpuffin wrote:
Wow, nasty??

To everyone else…
Thanks for all your comments and advice

I think I’m going to go with the original plan of the 6D/40stm ( I’ll also shove the Lumix TZ70 in the suitcase just incase) but I might change the 6D/40 combo last minute for the SL2/15-85, but I also do think that’s very unlikely. I just like the 6D too much.

Also I’m going to shoot RAW, first time ever!! I took a few shots in the garden yesterday and opened them using windows picture editor to view.

Not trying to be nasty...its just that your...nevermind, glad you found a solution...have a good holiday!

May 25, 2023 at 12:56 PM

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p.3 #6 · p.3 #6 · 6D + 40stm & iPhone for Portugal holiday??

Pixelpuffin wrote:
Also I’m going to shoot RAW, first time ever!! I took a few shots in the garden yesterday and opened them using windows picture editor to view. Everything seemed fine

A thought or two about shooting raw files.

First, no harm in doing that. If you are the sort who will want to process in post for best results, it can be useful to have the raw files available. For example, some in-camera jpg files with issues like underexposure may not be fully recoverable, but if the raw is available you may be able to recover the image.

If you are the sort who doesn't necessarily enjoy messing with files in post — which I suspect might be the case based on some things you have written in this thread — jpg files may be fine in many cases. And they don't likely require much if any processing before you share them.

(Note also that raw files are not necessarily going to automatically be optimized... and they won't look their best until you do at least some basic operations like sharpening in post.)

One option is to put your camera in the "raw+jpg" mode, where it writes two versions of each file to cards: one is the raw file and the other is the jpg. In many case, the jpg may be fine for quick sharing and so forth without much or any further work. But you'll still have the raw file as backup in case you need to do more extensive processing.

Some photographers will, if their camera allows, use a large capacity card for the raw files and a lower capacity card, in the second slot, for the jpg images.

Dan

(I'm thinking about this after an experience yesterday in Yosemite. I was back at my car after making a photograph, packing up my gear, when a person approached. I had seen her earlier, looking a bit troubled about something with her camera, but I didn't want to be "that guy," so I didn't say anything. But she asked if I could figure out why her card was full. I said I'd take a look. Despite the menus on the camera being in French — she was from that country — I figured out pretty quickly that the card was indeed full. I noted that she was using the "raw+jpg" mode and momentarily thought that could be part of the problem — but realized that the jpg files would be so small that deleting all of them wold make little difference. Turns out that she was making photographs, copying them to her laptop, but never deleting them from the card!)

May 25, 2023 at 01:20 PM

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p.3 #7 · p.3 #7 · 6D + 40stm & iPhone for Portugal holiday??

DailyShooter wrote:
Not trying to be nasty...its just that your...nevermind, glad you found a solution...have a good holiday!

…”It’s just that your”……all over the place??
Yes, I am, hence why I posted the query in the first place. Sorry I thought this was a forum to interact with others that may or may not offer advice or solutions?? May have had the same predicament themselves??

For those of you unsure what this spat is about I’m assuming?? it’s basically me and my vocal love/hate relationship (another thread) with canon R system . Not so much M but definitely the R system. A lot of my posts prompted others to suggest I sell everything and go for the R5/6, not just on this forum but elsewhere too. The result is I will now categorically definitely not be going for either R5/6….. The crazy notion of dropping £4-6K on. body & lens combo to take family snaps (or snaps of pets!!) is almost laughable. It seems I’ve ruffled a lot of feathers. I tried to let it blow over, clearly that strategy didn’t work.

Sorry if I’ve offended any of you. Fully intend to get the new RF28 pancake to go with my RP plus 16 & 50. But that’s where I draw the line. The R8 might tempt me but tbh the RP does a fine job as a point & shoot and that’s basically all I’m looking for these days.

May 25, 2023 at 01:35 PM

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p.3 #8 · p.3 #8 · 6D + 40stm & iPhone for Portugal holiday??

Pixelpuffin wrote:
…”It’s just that your”……all over the place??
Yes, I am, hence why I posted the query in the first place. Sorry I thought this was a forum to interact with others that may or may not offer advice or solutions?? May have had the same predicament themselves??

For those of you unsure what this spat is about I’m assuming?? it’s basically me and my vocal love/hate relationship (another thread) with canon R system . Not so much M but definitely the R system. A lot of my posts prompted others to suggest I sell everything and go for the R5/6, not...Show more →

No one's feathers are ruffled, nor has anyone felt insulted... it's just that you're... never mind...have a good holiday, and keep on collecting a lot of gear, if that makes you happy.

May 25, 2023 at 02:08 PM

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p.3 #9 · p.3 #9 · 6D + 40stm & iPhone for Portugal holiday??

DailyShooter wrote:
No one's feathers are ruffled, nor has anyone felt insulted... it's just that you're... never mind...have a good holiday, and keep on collecting a lot of gear, if that makes you happy.

Again!!
Absolutely no need for the snide comment.

May 26, 2023 at 06:00 AM

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p.3 #10 · p.3 #10 · 6D + 40stm & iPhone for Portugal holiday??

Pixelpuffin wrote:
I agree
The older 24-85 3.5-4.5 is a great performer as is the even older EF 28-70 3.5-4.5ii arc drive ( is that what you were referring to?) yes I own both. Not used either for 20 odd years but they’ve been stored properly so no reasons why they wouldn’t still work.
By the time I get in from work I’m too shattered to go out testing different combo’s but Friday is early finish for me, so will decide what to compare.
Now you’ve reminded me of that 28-70ii (sure it has aspherical elements?? ) that’s going on my shortlist

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For travel I would go with the 24-105mm + 40mm. The other zooms are nice, but stabilization is better.

Pixelpuffin wrote:
Vs
M50 + 22stm + 18-55stm (or 18-150stm ??)

With my M50 I was using the EF 35mm f/2.0 IS USM because the lack of options giving both stabilization and a large aperture, but it's not a compact option that way. The zooms are o.k. for travel, but compared to full frame IQ it's a step down.

Pixelpuffin wrote:
Vs
RP + 50 + 16 (poss EF 70-300isii + control ring)

the gap between 50mm and 16mm would be too large for me.
Pixelpuffin wrote:
Vs
SL2 + 24stm + 18-55 stm (or 15-85 / 17-55 ??)

For the 15-85mm I would choose the M50, but that's probably me.
Pixelpuffin wrote:
I think they would all be good travel set ups.

When going 6D + 40mm I would add the 24 or 28mm f/2.8 IS USM.

A next trip you could do R6 + RF 28mm f/2.8 + RF 50mm f/1.8. Two light weight compact lenses covering a lot of basic stuff, and IBIS does the job of stabilization.

May 26, 2023 at 06:23 AM

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steamtrain wrote:
For travel I would go with the 24-105mm + 40mm. The other zooms are nice, but stabilization is better.

With my M50 I was using the EF 35mm f/2.0 IS USM because the lack of options giving both stabilization and a large aperture, but it's not a compact option that way. The zooms are o.k. for travel, but compared to full frame IQ it's a step down.

the gap between 50mm and 16mm would be too large for me.

For the 15-85mm I would choose the M50, but that's probably me.

When going 6D + 40mm I would add the...Show more →

I’ve just tried the 15-85 on the M50 with adapter…Woah!! Way too front heavy. It’s hugely out of proportion.
I’d much rather choose the new R8 over the R6 and still keep my RP, I’ve just enquired at my local canon dealer about the delivery date on the new 28mm pancake….sometime in July. We’ll be back by then 😩
I’m off out walking for a few hours (woods) taking the 6d/40 & M50/15-45. I really dislike the 15-45 but desperately want 15mm minimum wide angle without resorting to either 11-22 or 10-18 adapted

Yes I have the last generation of canons ff wide primes 24is, 28is & 35is. I might shove the older ef 28mm 2.8 in my bag to see how I like the framing on the 6D. But actually as my phone is 28mm equivalent and that is used almost daily, framing should come second nature??

May 26, 2023 at 08:12 AM

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p.3 #12 · p.3 #12 · 6D + 40stm & iPhone for Portugal holiday??

steamtrain wrote:
...but compared to full frame IQ it's a step down.

Every choice for travel is a "step down" in some way, assuming that the top rung otherwise would be a system with very high resolution, a large format, a plethora of lenses to cover a wide range of possibilities... and greater weight and bulk.

When it comes to travel photography, it is all about choices.

Thinking about the OP's own description of the goals of his photography, I think there's a good case to be made that smaller and lighter may be more important than a larger format, and that more than enough quality is available from APS-C cameras in this case.

A larger FF system with a lens or lenses covering a greater range of possibilities is "better" in some senses, but worse in others from the travel perspective. The idea of carrying one or two small primes has its own set of pluses and minuses. In the end, I think it comes down to what the OP is willing to sacrifice and it what proportions: format size, gear weight and bulk, lens coverage, etc.

It isn't a question of what will be photographically "perfect" gear. It is about finding a personal balance between some obviously competing priorities.

Footnote: How about a couple of you take your interpersonal beef to PMs? Or better yet, knock it off. The rest of us are not interested.

May 26, 2023 at 09:30 AM

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p.3 #13 · p.3 #13 · 6D + 40stm & iPhone for Portugal holiday??

I could probably find a place in a carry-on for the 28-70 II or 24-85. One is 10 Oz one 12.7 Oz, neither should take up much room. Even if you have to use ~f/8 should greatly expand your capabilities

DLO in DPP ought to have lens corrections for those to improve corners etc if you shoot raw.

May 26, 2023 at 09:46 AM

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p.3 #14 · p.3 #14 · 6D + 40stm & iPhone for Portugal holiday??

Pixelpuffin wrote:
I really dislike the 15-45 but desperately want 15mm minimum wide angle without resorting to either 11-22 or 10-18 adapted

That's a new requirement actually. First 40mm only was good enough, and now I'm doing the suggestion to add a 28mm you want 24mm full frame equivalent readily available in the standard zoom.

Pixelpuffin wrote:
Yes I have the last generation of canons ff wide primes 24is, 28is & 35is. I might shove the older ef 28mm 2.8 in my bag to see how I like the framing on the 6D. But actually as my phone is 28mm equivalent and that is used almost daily, framing should come second nature??

If you own the 24mm, just use that one in stead of the 28mm, and use a zoom on the M50 starting at 18mm in stead of 15mm.

May 26, 2023 at 09:51 AM

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steamtrain wrote:
That's a new requirement actually. First 40mm only was good enough, and now I'm doing the suggestion to add a 28mm you want 24mm full frame equivalent readily available in the standard zoom.

If you own the 24mm, just use that one in stead of the 28mm, and use a zoom on the M50 starting at 18mm in stead of 15mm.

Sorry for the contradiction… my head is all over the place😂
I have such a soft spot for the 6d, for me it’s just perfect…I love it so much. But the big lenses (more than 50mm) spoil the whole lightness and enjoyment. The 40 is probably a small as I can go weight/bulk wise. However the 28mm viewing angle (iPhone) is such a versatile focal length, but completely useless should my son decide to go in the sea and I want to photograph him. Likewise the new RF 28mm pancake is on my radar and I’ll get one as soon as they hit the shops here in the UK, hence why I thought of trying the 28mm on the 6d to see if I really can live with that focal length. I even found out my bargain ef 135mm 2.8 SF ( bought it boxed, never used £40!! Bargain!!) I had a silly idea of taking the 28 & 135 (drop the 40) but again it doesn’t feel right although the 6d sensor loves them both. I’ll say this the lenshood for the 28 works perfectly on the 135!!

Ef-m 15-45 or 18-55 stm
Yes got both. I prefer the build quality of the older 18-55 but that 3mm difference is basically like 24mm vs 28mm. The M50 foldout screen goes hand in hand with the wider lens for more dramatic lowdown pictures.

Just found both my G16 & G12, both batteries are currently being charged. I’m going to try both them over the weekend too.

Last night I was so utterly fed up of the whole dilemma I went searching for a compromise.
Did I find it?? Canon G3x ?? 1” sensor 24-600mm 2.8-5.6 reviews are good. Maybe a used mint copy might be all I need??

Sorry I know I’ve derailed the whole thread, just shows how messed up my head is 😳
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May 26, 2023 at 10:50 AM

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p.3 #16 · p.3 #16 · 6D + 40stm & iPhone for Portugal holiday??

G3X: how will that rear screen work in bright sunlight? But apparently it will take an external EVF (I know you're not a fan of them), which maybe you already have? I'd rather look into Sony RX-10 or Panasonic FZ1000 versions.

But I'm sticking with my EOS-M system recommendation.

May 26, 2023 at 11:08 AM

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p.3 #17 · p.3 #17 · 6D + 40stm & iPhone for Portugal holiday??

gdanmitchell wrote:
Every choice for travel is a "step down" in some way, assuming that the top rung otherwise would be a system with very high resolution, a large format, a plethora of lenses to cover a wide range of possibilities... and greater weight and bulk.

When it comes to travel photography, it is all about choices.
Yes, and I was pointing out the downside op this option.

May 26, 2023 at 11:20 AM

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p.3 #18 · p.3 #18 · 6D + 40stm & iPhone for Portugal holiday??

Pixelpuffin wrote:
Sorry for the contradiction… my head is all over the place😂
I have such a soft spot for the 6d, for me it’s just perfect…I love it so much. But the big lenses (more than 50mm) spoil the whole lightness and enjoyment. The 40 is probably a small as I can go weight/bulk wise. However the 28mm viewing angle (iPhone) is such a versatile focal length, but completely useless should my son decide to go in the sea and I want to photograph him. Likewise the new RF 28mm pancake is on my radar and I’ll get one as soon as...Show more →
If you like the 6D, 24mm and want something long as well, you might just go with the 6D, 40mm + EF 24-105mm IS stm?
For size and weight adding just that one lens doesn't add much more than an ef-m lens + an extra M body. That extra M body itself is killing the advantage of the compact lens anyway.
A compact 135mm f/2.8 is nice, but the EF 24-105mm IS stm is stabilized, compact as well, and it doesn't require lens changes. The 40mm is nice for ultra compactness and a bit more light to work with. Just those two lenses and a 6D. Done.

May 26, 2023 at 11:29 AM

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p.3 #19 · p.3 #19 · 6D + 40stm & iPhone for Portugal holiday??

To our OP:

You and we are now going in circles. No option is perfect for all things so... every option has a problem. You cannot possibly resolve that — there is no option that solves all of them. You have to compromise something: Format? Lens coverage? Size? Weight? Cost? Etc...

In the end, determining the value of each of these things to YOUR photography while YOU travel is up to YOU.

You have a lot of information now. It is easy to get sucked into a never-ending (and possibly virtually panicked) state of confusion.

I urge you to make a list of the options that you currently have. Perhaps a spreadsheet might help if you are the sort who likes using them to organize your thoughts.

List the options the pluses and minuses of each. Look at that list and think about the photography you have done on previous travels, then try to decide which option(s) make the best sense for YOU, while recognizing that none will be perfect.

From my own travel photography experience, I think I've learned that we can tie ourselves in knots trying to find the perfect solution to every issue AND that once on the trip we tend to make what we have work. I might see something that could best be covered with the 100-400 zoom on the camera that I did not bring... but then I find that there is a way to photograph it with the gear that I do have.

You have lots of options here. Now it is time to sit down on your own, comb though them, and make a choice.

May 26, 2023 at 11:45 AM

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p.3 #20 · p.3 #20 · 6D + 40stm & iPhone for Portugal holiday??

I think the op is the more creative type like hopefully many of us on here. So, I mean, logic might not be the best solution.

That said I'll provide a rational solution

I think I'd go nuts only having a 40, and I'm not the biggest fan of phone photography. That said, I suppose 28 & 40 could cover a lot. But to expand on my point above, if you decide to take 40+ phone about the biggest problem on the 28-70 & 24-85 is forgetting it's in your carry on etc and dropping it. Not something you'd like to happen, for sure, but you haven't used it in 20 years. And you seem to have spares

It'd be great to have to use on landscape etc if you get there, and it's gorgeous. Beats "oh I wish I had a different lens." I remember using alt 28-70 on 5D and thinking it really covered a lot. More than you'd expect from a limited-sounding range

May 26, 2023 at 12:35 PM

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