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You could do Portugal justice by just bringing the RF 35mm f1.8.

With this lens, you can do landscapes, architecture, interiors, foodie/drinkie, bars, environmental portraits, street.

Add in a 24-105L for the far stuff and that would be cream on top.

Don't leave your memories to an iPhone...I have the best one now the 14Pro Max, and as good as its camera is, I would rather use an RF FF body + RF lenses. And the kit does not have to be heavy, nor contain a lot of pieces.

Vacations are for capturing quality images, not dumbing them down with lesser kit.

PS don't forget to bring a Speedlite for environmental portraits!

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May 23, 2023 at 03:31 PM
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I travel all the time and would never think of going with just a 40mm anywhere, never mind Portugal. There are too many images to be made from super wide to tele and in between. Just did a month in Valencia, Spain, 2 bodies 14-35L/24-105L/70-300L/35mm f1.8 plus a Sony A6600 / 20mm pancake. All carried in an 18L backpack, with a daypack in my checked luggage, I just pick what i want for the day and put it in an ICU in the daypack. In 30+ years of travel worldwide the gear may change but what lens range I bring
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Yep, same here. The minimum I could ever travel with is two full frame bodies with a 35mm on one body and a 135mm on the other. That used to cover 90% of my needs. Now with RF, I've been using the RF 70-200 instead of the 135. If I need more reach, a big lens or 100-500 will get put in the bag too.



May 23, 2023 at 03:32 PM
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Yeah, I have the STM triplet, in fact I have all the STMís full stop. In total counting RF, EF, EF-m and EF-s I have probably 100 canon lenses that includes a dozen Lís - as I say I got carried away.
Iím not buying anything this year, Iíve made a vow to stop buying in 2023.

If I were to add another R body it would probably be the R8 as I really like the RP size and weight

But Iím not too bothered about selling stuff. Maybe next year or the year after but for now Iím gonna just chill and
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I agree, I've thought about suggesting a moratorium on purchases in your previous posts.

2 or 3 of the 10-18, 18-55, & 55-250 + the SL2 might be all you need. Potentially 16-400 mm ff equivalent, plus excellent macro imo



May 23, 2023 at 06:02 PM
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p.2 #4 · p.2 #4 · 6D + 40stm & iPhone for Portugal holiday??


Since size is a concern and you value good face detection AF, then I'd restrict the selection to your existing M system. Pick a body that works well for what you need, then decide on lenses. I'd probably go 32/1.4 and the 18-150. The zoom could be the one-and-done lens for when you want the range while the prime will give you a low light, shallow depth of field option. Stick with the iPhone for casual/documentation snaps, wide angle panoramas, etc.

For a body, my preference would be something that will allow charging the battery in-camera via a PD power bank. I did this traveling with the M6II, but missed not having an EVF (didn't have the slip on accessory EVF)... Otherwise I thought it was great for people photos with its eye detection capability. I much preferred using it over the similarly specced 90D.



May 23, 2023 at 06:38 PM
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Let me start by acknowledging that there's a large subjective component to the question of what one should take on international travel. There's no right answer, but there are perspectives and there are real world effects of various choices.

One question is how you think of the photography you do while traveling. Are you bring back pictures to share with family and friends? Are you posting your story on social media?

Or do you intend to use the photographs commercially? Are you going to make large prints of them?

Is photography the primary goal of the travel, is it one of many goals, or is it a way to grab some memories of the main event, the experience of travel?

On the spectrum between taking everything you might possibly need for any conceivable contingency to keeping the gear as small and light as possible, where do you sit?

My personal choice is to take good gear but minimize the size and weight. This is also influenced by my primary orientation to travel photography which is not that far from street photography. While I'm a landscape photographer to a great extent at home in the USA, that takes a backseat when I'm traveling unless the travel is specifically for photography, and the photography is the primary goal. (Even then I minimize to some extent.)

I've had excellent results with a APS-C system (I happen to use Fujifilm) with a small set of prime lenses. This produces excellent results ó good enough that I can sell and license the work ó and makes me appear as less of the "American tourist with a big camera and a big bag of lenses." That gives me some photographic opportunities that I would otherwise not have.

As it turns out I will be in Portugal (and a bunch of other places) in the future. For my purposes, my primary system is a Fujifilm XT5, most often with their 27mm f/2.8 pancake lens attached. Often that will be the only lens that I carry when I go out. If I want more flexibility I will add a 14mm f/2.8 and/or a 90mm f/2 lens.

Because I also do night street photography, I also bring 23mm and 35mm f/1.4 lenses. (These are actual focal lengths so convert if you are trying to figure out FF focal lengths.)

I virtually never have all five lenses on my person except when traveling between locations. Most of the time I have one, and sometimes two. Carrying three is rare. I lock the remaining lenses in the hotel.

If I were going to Portugal with truly minimal gear, I would probably take the 27mm f/2.8 and the 14mm f/2.8 and try to squeeze in that 90mm f/2. I could get by with just the 27mm, but that's me.

Alternatively, for many people something like the ubiquitous 18-55mm zooms (or my 16-55mm f/2.8) could be a good all-in-one solution.

And, of course, some folks really prefer a single zoom with a wider focal length range. Some people will augment one lens like that with single slightly wide prime with a large aperture.

If your goal is mostly fun pictures to record the travels and the family, the iPhone option is actually pretty good. The image quality from the current iPhones is excellent in 13" x 19" prints and can go larger. Don't discount that possibility, especially if you like to travel light.



May 23, 2023 at 06:40 PM
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rscheffler wrote:
For a body, my preference would be something that will allow charging the battery in-camera via a PD power bank. I did this traveling with the M6II, but missed not having an EVF (didn't have the slip on accessory EVF)... Otherwise I thought it was great for people photos with its eye detection capability. I much preferred using it over the similarly specced 90D.


My understanding is that the 90D has eye AF (and probably a lot of other mirrorless stuff) in LV, if you're using the lcd anyway. Plus built in ovf so you'd have a vf



May 24, 2023 at 12:02 AM
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gdanmitchell wrote:
Let me start by acknowledging that there's a large subjective component to the question of what one should take on international travel. There's no right answer, but there are perspectives and there are real world effects of various choices.

One question is how you think of the photography you do while traveling. Are you bring back pictures to share with family and friends? Are you posting your story on social media?

Or do you intend to use the photographs commercially? Are you going to make large prints of them?

Is photography the primary goal of the travel, is it one
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Thatís a great reply
I used to be extremely serious about photography (30yrs ago) but found it sucked all the fun out. Now Iím older (probably not wiser) I just want memories nothing more. Whatever canera I take will be a hindrance that is a certainty. Iíd love to just take my phone and probably a M50 with no more than 2 lenses. I absolutely love my 6d, even tho itís old tech everything about that camera is a dream to use and hold, the silent shutter is beautifully soft, the battery lasts for ever, itís light and the files are simply stunning. But itís ff and thus necessitates ff lenses, big heavy chunks of glassÖugh!!
So Iím caught in a quandary do I opt for the lighter M50 knowing the images would have been so much better on the 6d or do I take the minimum 6d outfit knowing Iíd have nailed those missing shots had I brought the M50.
No, I wonít take both.
Obviously my phone goes absolutely everywhere with me.

But to answer your question they are just memories of family holiday. I tend not to kid myself Iím some kind of virtuoso, Iím honest enough to realise my own ability these days - hence Iím just grateful if I catch the moment and itís sharp tooÖeverything else is a bonus.

The idea of hauling some big ass white zoom on a family holiday is the stuff of nightmares for me.

On a separate topic, I think next year I may take a closer look at Fuji.



May 24, 2023 at 12:56 AM
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rscheffler wrote:
Since size is a concern and you value good face detection AF, then I'd restrict the selection to your existing M system. Pick a body that works well for what you need, then decide on lenses. I'd probably go 32/1.4 and the 18-150. The zoom could be the one-and-done lens for when you want the range while the prime will give you a low light, shallow depth of field option. Stick with the iPhone for casual/documentation snaps, wide angle panoramas, etc.

For a body, my preference would be something that will allow charging the battery in-camera via a PD power
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How did you find the M6ii lcd in bright sunlight?
I do have the sigmaís 1.4 trio 16/30/56
I suppose that could be a contender?? I find the clip on EVF (both versions) to be a pita as constantly aware of the fragility of it.



May 24, 2023 at 03:31 AM
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Pixelpuffin wrote:
Thatís a great reply
I used to be extremely serious about photography (30yrs ago) but found it sucked all the fun out. Now Iím older (probably not wiser) I just want memories nothing more.


Take your M50 and 22mm f2 and call it a day 🎤drop



May 24, 2023 at 05:46 AM
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SL2 + 18-55 is very light. You'd have a short tele, fairly wide. Very versatile and light, plus if you use raw put it through DLO in DPP for extra performance.

If you have 28-70 II for the 6D, that's only 285g/10-11oz or so. You might think Canon could use 30+ years of improvements in optical manufacturing, CAD, etc to improve the optics, then put an excellent f/4-is 28-70 in a quality plastic kit zoom type mount. Could be a very light excellent and useful ff lens.

But instead everyone, it seemed, bought 2.8 zooms and other massive lenses, decided, duh, this stuff is heavy, got sick of carrying it and migrated, en masse, to mirrorless. Instead of just buying lighter lenses to begin with. And Canon came up 24-105 that needs a computer to fix it, more or less, and doesn't cover the frame (in parts of the range) like the 50+ year old lens I bought off ebay <$20.



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AmbientMike wrote:
SL2 + 18-55 is very light. You'd have a short tele, fairly wide. Very versatile and light, plus if you use raw put it through DLO in DPP for extra performance.

If you have 28-70 II for the 6D, that's only 285g/10-11oz or so. You might think Canon could use 30+ years of improvements in optical manufacturing, CAD, etc to improve the optics, then put an excellent f/4-is 28-70 in a quality plastic kit zoom type mount. Could be a very light excellent and useful ff lens.

But instead everyone, it seemed, bought 2.8 zooms and other massive lenses, decided, duh, this
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I agree
The older 24-85 3.5-4.5 is a great performer as is the even older EF 28-70 3.5-4.5ii arc drive ( is that what you were referring to?) yes I own both. Not used either for 20 odd years but theyíve been stored properly so no reasons why they wouldnít still work.
By the time I get in from work Iím too shattered to go out testing different comboís but Friday is early finish for me, so will decide what to compare.
Now youíve reminded me of that 28-70ii (sure it has aspherical elements?? ) thatís going on my shortlist

6D + 40stm + 28-70ii (or 24-85 / 24-105stm ??)
Vs
M50 + 22stm + 18-55stm (or 18-150stm ??)
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RP + 50 + 16 (poss EF 70-300isii + control ring)
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SL2 + 24stm + 18-55 stm (or 15-85 / 17-55 ??)

I think they would all be good travel set ups.


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Any of those would work. I am going to Portugal in a couple of weeks. I was wondering about M6 or 100D, but decided on R10 with 18-150 and 100-400. I am thinking of also taking RP with 16 and 35. I get full frame and a bit of reach for any nature opportunities. Compared to what I used to lug around that is fairly light!. Itís a holiday at the end of the day and I can leave most of it in the hotel!


May 24, 2023 at 03:44 PM
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annacarty wrote:
Any of those would work. I am going to Portugal in a couple of weeks. I was wondering about M6 or 100D, but decided on R10 with 18-150 and 100-400. I am thinking of also taking RP with 16 and 35. I get full frame and a bit of reach for any nature opportunities. Compared to what I used to lug around that is fairly light!. Itís a holiday at the end of the day and I can leave most of it in the hotel!


2 bodyís & 4 lenses?? Phew !!
Iíd be inclined to take the RP + 16 + 35 + 100-400 and leave the rest at home

If I could get my hands on that new RF 28mm pancake that would seriously skew my decision making.



May 24, 2023 at 04:20 PM
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I used to do lots of safaris so the R10 is the smallest crop body I have. Got to admit, I did wonder if the new 28 was available yet in UK but alasÖ


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I thought pretty seriously about doing a big trip with only the 40mm f/2.8, but could never do it. 40mm was just a little too long for a lot of the shooting I do. I ended up bringing just my 17-40L with 5D on many many trips and that worked out.

I'm also now contemplating a similar decision as I prepare for a trip to Europe here in few weeks. I may end up bringing 3 lenses on this trip and I can already feel the regret.

On a related note, this new RF28 pancake is pretty appealing. I could maybe do an entire trip with just 28mm.



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rscheffler wrote:
For a body, my preference would be something that will allow charging the battery in-camera via a PD power bank. I did this traveling with the M6II, but missed not having an EVF (didn't have the slip on accessory EVF)... Otherwise I thought it was great for people photos with its eye detection capability. I much preferred using it over the similarly specced 90D.

AmbientMike wrote:
My understanding is that the 90D has eye AF (and probably a lot of other mirrorless stuff) in LV, if you're using the lcd anyway. Plus built in ovf so you'd have a vf


Yes, and that's how I primarily used it - in live view. But it's significantly larger than the M6II. If the camera's going to be stuffed in a small daypack along with other things at the beach, etc, I'd rather it be as small as possible.

rscheffler wrote:
Since size is a concern and you value good face detection AF, then I'd restrict the selection to your existing M system. Pick a body that works well for what you need, then decide on lenses. I'd probably go 32/1.4 and the 18-150. The zoom could be the one-and-done lens for when you want the range while the prime will give you a low light, shallow depth of field option. Stick with the iPhone for casual/documentation snaps, wide angle panoramas, etc.

For a body, my preference would be something that will allow charging the battery in-camera via a PD power
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How did you find the M6ii lcd in bright sunlight?
I do have the sigmaís 1.4 trio 16/30/56
I suppose that could be a contender?? I find the clip on EVF (both versions) to be a pita as constantly aware of the fragility of it.


Unfortunately the trip I took the M6II on was in the winter, so didn't use it in bright conditions (weather was mostly overcast). I'm guessing, but think it will be a significant problem. It's a good point to raise and another reason for an EVF. Maybe the M5 or M50? But during my brief time with the M5, I didn't think it held a candle to the M6II in respect to subject detection/tracking AF.

The Sigma trio is compelling, but now you're back to carrying multiple lenses rolling around a daypack. IIRC, the 16 is not very small.

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And Canon came up 24-105 that needs a computer to fix it, more or less, and doesn't cover the frame (in parts of the range) like the 50+ year old lens I bought off ebay <$20.


I have that RF 24-105 STM and yes, at 24mm it needs correction and suffers some image quality degradation. But from 28mm it's startlingly good. Almost excellent TBH. Same at 35mm. There's probably copy variation at play too. Mine goes a bit soft on one side in the 50-70mm range and is very good again at 105mm.


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Now youíve reminded me of that 28-70ii (sure it has aspherical elements?? ) thatís going on my shortlist


Yes, it does according to this Canon page.



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I agree
The older 24-85 3.5-4.5 is a great performer as is the even older EF 28-70 3.5-4.5ii arc drive ( is that what you were referring to?) yes I own both. Not used either for 20 odd years but theyíve been stored properly so no reasons why they wouldnít still work.
By the time I get in from work Iím too shattered to go out testing different comboís but Friday is early finish for me, so will decide what to compare.
Now youíve reminded me of that 28-70ii (sure it has aspherical elements?? ) thatís going on my shortlist

6D +
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24-105/3.5-5.6 STM is supposed to be good. That might be your solution. The opticallimits test is good, and I've heard good things on here. Might be better than the L, even. On top if that I thought about getting one and adapting to mirrorless. Price at/over $400!! Seems unlikely people pay that for a poor plastic lens. 24-105 certainly covers lots of ground.

I didn't realize that the 28-70 v2 had an aspherical element! Not bad for probably late 80's or so. Could probably put one or more in, in a redesign now. Used to have a pretty good name on here bought one once had to return it though. Opticallimits test OK surprised only 285g. I've heard on here 24-85 is good. Might have some good, or even great options, there for the 6D if that's your favorite camera



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rscheffler wrote:
Yes, and that's how I primarily used it - in live view. But it's significantly larger than the M6II. If the camera's going to be stuffed in a small daypack along with other things at the beach, etc, I'd rather it be as small as possible.


Unfortunately the trip I took the M6II on was in the winter, so didn't use it in bright conditions (weather was mostly overcast). I'm guessing, but think it will be a significant problem. It's a good point to raise and another reason for an EVF. Maybe the M5 or M50? But during my brief time
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I go back and forth, if I've been using a light Rebel more the more solid body can be nice, and vice versa. The inexpensive RF 24-105 STM is at the same time a lens I might be OK using, once I tried it, and a lens that made it less likely I got RF, seeing the stuff going on there. A step back from the EF version. If they'd done an excellent 28-70, I might be looking at mirrorless a lot more. But they didn't. Rf 24 105 L looks good, if the cost gets to $600-700 used, less of an obstacle to mirrorless. Even 35-105 on the RF STM still useful though.



May 24, 2023 at 11:56 PM
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Weíve booked a week away to Portugal in 4wks time, will probably be going somewhere else later in the year.
Ok, normally for foreign holidays I take my phone and the Panasonic Lumix TZ70 travel camera. But I always regret not bringing a better camera despite the fact the travel zoom always delivers.
Iím not confident to trust my RP not had it long and already I find I dislike using the EVF in bright sunlight, the viewfinder image looks nothing like what my eyes see, yet in shade, overcast or indoors itís amazing.

Iíve ruled out crop (SL2, 70d, 80d, 7dii
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Your second-to-last line suggests this isn't a trip dedicated to serious photography. Therefore, iPhone or its equivalent will suffice. If you have the urge to carry something heavier, I suggest a full-frame body with the 24-105 zoom. (Added for benefit of the 2 year old: It is of course possible to do 'serious' photography with iPhone or any other camera.)

It is hard to fully address your query without knowing your subject interests, style, where in Portugal you will be, and so on. I have been all over Portugal even before I took up photography (as I have family there) and am very fond of it. But it is not my photographic focus and while I have photographed there, it was in the spirit of 'by the way.' Portugal offers superb opportunities for city shooting - Lisboa & surrounds, Coimbra, Porto, Braga, etc - street and architecture (interior and exterior) photography, rural interior as well as coastal landscape photography. Serious photography necessarily entails pain in terms of managing gear with travel, but for casual photography what I cited above should do.

Take a look at Paulo's blog for how a local sees his land -

https://blog.paulobizarro.com






May 25, 2023 at 03:32 AM
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Cheers for the replies
All vacations are family vacations, I canít relate to going away on holiday just to shoot picturesÖthat thought is totally alien to me.
Iíve pondered it some more over the past 24hrs and Iím now wondering whether to just pick up a used compact like a G1x ii ?
All Iím after is family grab shots, maybe Iíll see a scene and take a snap, but for the record no photos of scenes are up on our walls, just family members.
Both partner and son are totally disinterested in any aspect of photography,Öbores them both to tears, hence stealth grab shots is normally the approach adopted.
All I want is to capture fleeting memories. Iím quietly confident that should a scene present itself I would capture it regardless what camera I had, so long as I can control the exposure.
@AmbientMike The ef 24-105 stm is outstanding for what it is. The speed of focus is blisteringly fast, silent and the IS is eerily effective. The build quality is not a patch on the 24-105L but owning both I much prefer the STM. Likewise the 15-85usn (24-135 equiv FF) is also fabulous. I own so many fantastic lenses Iím pretty much spoilt for choice.




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