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Vendor keeps saying 'lens delivered' ignoring everything else. I've now escalated it to AliExpress themselves (how it's meant to be done) but the system if very convoluted and confusing until I finally found the right place to go.

Because of this experience, I would never use AliExpress again unless the item is super cheap. Their method of shipping takes a very long time, and involves a hand off where the package is re-labelled (which seems to be where mine got lost), but with no delivery signature/receipt required. So they just trust the process works.

Add to that a language barrier - they are using AliExpress translator - and unless you are fluent in Chinese this can be a huge problem.



Jul 17, 2023 at 12:22 PM
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Desmolicious wrote:
Vendor keeps saying 'lens delivered' ignoring everything else. I've now escalated it to AliExpress themselves (how it's meant to be done) but the system if very convoluted and confusing until I finally found the right place to go.

Because of this experience, I would never use AliExpress again unless the item is super cheap. Their method of shipping takes a very long time, and involves a hand off where the package is re-labelled (which seems to be where mine got lost), but with no delivery signature/receipt required. So they just trust the process works.

Add to that a language barrier - they
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Hopefully they will be able to figure it out. The store you bought it from has good reputation so this is perplexing to say the least.

I just ordered one from Funleader and they are having a 10% sale now:









Jul 17, 2023 at 12:42 PM
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Ordered. Looking forward to kicking this tiny tire!


Jul 17, 2023 at 01:02 PM
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The store you bought it from has good reputation so this is perplexing to say the least.



All they do is keep saying 'Item delivered' and are ignoring everything I've said. And all the screen caps I've sent, including the one from USPS saying they have not received the item for the claimed tracking number.

So for me it is hard to see a good reputation when they are basically saying 'no'.



Jul 17, 2023 at 01:15 PM
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p.s. that Funleader price is the same as the one from AliExpress, because while AliExpress shows $299, they add CA sales tax. Which to me seems very strange as how is CA getting that tax? AliExpress forwards that payment?


I understand collecting tax from an out of state purchase, but not out of country.



Jul 17, 2023 at 01:17 PM
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AliExpress seller SamPhoto is stonewalling me. Just refusing to respond in any way apart from saying "Item delivered".

Waiting to see what AliExpress themselves say.



Jul 18, 2023 at 10:48 AM
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just chargeback if you can, and sorry for linking aliexpress. didn't expect that to happen!


Jul 18, 2023 at 10:50 AM
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ftllens wrote:
just chargeback if you can, and sorry for linking aliexpress. didn't expect that to happen!


No worries - I didn't expect this to happen! Waiting to see what happens w step #2 - dealing w Aliexpress now that the seller has refused.



Jul 18, 2023 at 11:23 AM
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AliExpress has rejected my claim. I am "appealing". They too have completely ignored everything I have said:



It's as if they never bothered to read any of the materials/evidence I provided.



Jul 19, 2023 at 01:01 AM
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Desmolicious wrote:
AliExpress has rejected my claim. I am "appealing". They too have completely ignored everything I have said:

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/53056722385_bc5883a944_b.jpg

It's as if they never bothered to read any of the materials/evidence I provided.

Man I hope I am more lucky with my ebay case where someone sent me a VM 25mm 4.0 in "very good condition"
that is actually full of white dots inside the optical system, decentered to the moon and scratched on the outside,
yet the seller denies a refund with a bunch of bullshit arguments like "you wouldn't see the decentering on film, your fault to use this lens on a digital camera".








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I have asked AliExpress directly if they are reading any of my responses, and to confirm that they have. And why they are not paying attention to the tracking number that they sent me that says USPS has not received the package.
I am basically creating a paper trail for when I need to submit my claim with paypal.



Jul 19, 2023 at 11:07 AM
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Desmolicious wrote:
I have asked AliExpress directly if they are reading any of my responses, and to confirm that they have. And why they are not paying attention to the tracking number that they sent me that says USPS has not received the package.
I am basically creating a paper trail for when I need to submit my claim with paypal.


It sounds like you've had an incredibly frustrating experience with this process! I hope that Paypal will ultimately side with you in the dispute. When I make purchases from overseas websites, I typically rely on a credit card that offers favorable protections from my perspective, such as American Express, for instance.



Jul 19, 2023 at 11:23 AM
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BastianK wrote:
Man I hope I am more lucky with my ebay case where someone sent me a VM 25mm 4.0 in "very good condition"
that is actually full of white dots inside the optical system, decentered to the moon and scratched on the outside,
yet the seller denies a refund with a bunch of bullshit arguments like "you wouldn't see the decentering on film, your fault to use this lens on a digital camera".

https://phillipreeve.net/blog/wp-content/uploads/2023/07/A7R08216_1.jpg

https://phillipreeve.net/blog/wp-content/uploads/2023/07/Zustand.jpg

https://phillipreeve.net/blog/wp-content/uploads/2023/07/Dezentrierung.jpg


wow. It seems like the elements inside need to be cleaned to remove the haze and dust. The decentering problem could be fixed by adding shims to one side of the mount. But overall, you could win a dispute since it's definitely not as described.



Jul 19, 2023 at 11:28 AM
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@BastianK

This is a condition called Schneideritis. It’s cosmetic and Doesn’t affect IQ.

I’ve never bought anything on eBay and never will. Better be a part of a photography or Leica group on Facebook and buy directly from someone with a good reputation. There are a lot of great groups especially Leica groups.

Lenses and cameras I always buy from the dealer.



Jul 20, 2023 at 12:14 PM
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Renez wrote:
@BastianK@

This is a condition called Schneideritis. It’s cosmetic and Doesn’t affect IQ.


My VM 15/4.5 III shows this too, but only as deep as the first element, from what I can tell. It appeared after it inadvertently got water in it from a leaked water bottle that was in the same non-camera bag with it (didn't have room for the VM in my camera bag that outing and had tucked it in my EDC bag). I don't recall the exact situation now, but I think water had been sitting on the front element for a bit of time before I noticed, therefore some may have seeped in at the edge of the front element. Kind of thought the lens would be toast so didn't do much about it other than let it dry out. But that was at least a few years ago and it seems to still work normally (in respect to image quality).

I had a quick look at my other Voigtlander lenses... an old 12/5.6 LTM does not show it. A fairly old 40/1.4 might, but the spots are a lot finer and appear like a metallic shimmer. It's difficult to tell though with this lens. My nearly 8 year old VM 35/1.7 also appears to show signs of this, in the manner of the 40/1.4 (very fine metallic shimmer), as deep as the first front group. The white spots in the 15/4.5 are less numerous but larger and look more like grains of sand around the edge of the front element (which it isn't - it just looks like it). A recently acquired used 28/2 v2 does not appear to show it.

It just makes me wonder if it could be a sign of moisture penetration around the edge of the optics? It only showed up in my 15 after it got wet and the 35/1.7 has been my go-to 35 for most if the time I've had it, therefore it has been used in wet conditions (rain and snow) over the years, where exposure to humidity may be a factor. The 40 I'm less sure about because I have not used it a lot even though I've had it probably at least 10 years. I bought it used (from a reputable shop), albeit at somewhat of a discount because it had a less smooth focusing ring that tended to 'squeak' at times. So I don't know it's full use history. With the 35 and 40 I only just noticed this effect now because I specifically looked for it. No idea when it may have developed in either lens. Nor can I say that I've noticed any image quality degradation.

Considering the white spots in the 25/4 you purchased appear to go pretty deep into the optics, it would make me wonder about the age of the lens and whether it has had a hard life.

Regarding the decentering/tilt: my recollection is this lens and the 21/4 have a poor reputation for consistent across frame sharpness.



Jul 20, 2023 at 09:04 PM
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Ebay ruled in my favor which wasn't all that surprising giving the condition of this lens and how far that was from the description.

After my disastrous experiences with 2 samples of the 25mm 4.0 and 2 samples of the 21mm 1.8 I decided to stay away from all the older CV lenses.



Jul 21, 2023 at 12:37 AM
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BastianK wrote:
Ebay ruled in my favor which wasn't all that surprising giving the condition of this lens and how far that was from the description.

After my disastrous experiences with 2 samples of the 25mm 4.0 and 2 samples of the 21mm 1.8 I decided to stay away from all the older CV lenses.


Good for you.

AliExpress again denied my claim and refused my request to comment on why they do not check the tracking number that they provided.
I have given up responding to them and filed a charge back claim with Paypal, including the lengthy string of conversation between me and AliExpress where I repeatedly ask them to comment on how their tracking number shows not delivered.

It seems cut n dry in my favor, right? But who knows because AliExpress is a much bigger business partner for Paypal than I am.

What I do know is I will never buy anything from AliExpress again, because if something goes wrong they just give you the finger.



Jul 21, 2023 at 10:27 AM
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BastianK wrote:
Ebay ruled in my favor which wasn't all that surprising giving the condition of this lens and how far that was from the description.

After my disastrous experiences with 2 samples of the 25mm 4.0 and 2 samples of the 21mm 1.8 I decided to stay away from all the older CV lenses.


I had a feeling this would happen. I'm glad you were able to this lens refunded.



Jul 21, 2023 at 10:53 AM
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Desmolicious wrote:
Good for you.

What I do know is I will never buy anything from AliExpress again, because if something goes wrong they just give you the finger.


I have bought cheaper accessories from they before but after your experience, never again. Hopefully Paypal will decide in your favor when you start a dispute.

I ordered the 28/2.8 from Funleader about 5 or 6 days ago but so far no progress on my order. They mentioned it may take a week or so to ship it.




Jul 21, 2023 at 10:54 AM
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BastianK wrote:
Ebay ruled in my favor which wasn't all that surprising giving the condition of this lens and how far that was from the description.

After my disastrous experiences with 2 samples of the 25mm 4.0 and 2 samples of the 21mm 1.8 I decided to stay away from all the older CV lenses.


Glad it worked out for you.

Too bad about the 21/1.8. I had one and though it was a 'transition' lens for Cosina's Voigltander line. It performed favorably (somewhat better) than the 21 Lux that at the time of the VM's release was the only fast 21 M mount option available. The VM 21/1.4 though appears to have considerably improved image quality compared to both of these. I'm not sure what the appeal of the 21/1.8 is now, other than maybe somewhat smaller, lighter and less expensive. Its permanent lens hood design really annoyed me (also true for the VM 15/4.5 versions).



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