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A new gear for landscape photography (EOS R5 or A7RV)

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p.1 #1 · p.1 #1 · A new gear for landscape photography (EOS R5 or A7RV)

dear photographers,
I would like to ask you for advice on choosing a camera. I am a Canon shooter at heart and have been shooting with Canon equipment for more than 15 years. Practically my only domain is landscape photography, for which I use NiSi 15/4, Canon TS-E 24 II, Carl Zeiss Makro Planar 100/2 and Canon ef 200/2.8 II. For the past few years, my main body has been a Canon 5Dsr, which I replaced with an eos R last fall. The change brought me a number of positives (for example, I love the focus indicator, which I use a lot with the CZ 100/2 when taking family photos and portraits). However, a significant negative is a relatively noticeable jump down in terms of resolution. I therefore decided to invest in a new body, specifically the eos R5. In addition to the R5, however, I'm starting to consider the Sony A7RV, which offers a solid 60 megapixels. The question is whether the Sony will offer me a significantly higher dynamic range compared to the Canon. Also, can I count on a sharper output with the Sony due to the absence of the AA filter? (I know that Canon should have a new type of AA filter that makes it close to the 5DsR in its image output). In general, will the Sony offer me significantly more than the R5?

May 20, 2023 at 01:45 PM

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p.1 #2 · p.1 #2 · A new gear for landscape photography (EOS R5 or A7RV)

I used to own the a7r4 along with my R and 5DSR, and I got rid of it because I found it simply too frustrating to use. In part it was the camera itself, in part it was the adapted lenses. Yes, the images were better than those from the R (not much different from the 5DSR). At the end of the day the frustration wasn't worth it to me, so I jumped both feet into the R5 and never looked back. Yes, the Sony will give you better resolution and DR but at a price that I wasn't willing to pay.

May 20, 2023 at 02:28 PM

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p.1 #3 · p.1 #3 · A new gear for landscape photography (EOS R5 or A7RV)

I have not used the A7R V, but I owned the A7R IV before switching back to Canon with the R5. IMO, the Sony does have very slightly better image quality if you're nitpicking due to the slightly higher resolution, but it's close enough to effectively not matter for real world use. Unless you are comparing side by side images at extreme magnifications, you'd never notice. I think the R5 is the better all around camera than the A7R IV, with better IBIS, better AF and much better ergonomics, though I understand the V made some improvements in AF. (note by empirical numbers the R5 has very slightly better DR than the A7R V, but you'd never see it in real life).

The biggest thing for me is that the Canons handle a lot better. The A series bodies are really cramped, especially with larger glass. This may not matter as much if you're tripod mounted all the time, but it does for hand-holding.

I don't think it's worth switching to Sony just for the minor image quality gains, especially if you're going to buy all new lenses.

Since I shoot a lot of different things, the AF and performance and ergonomic capabilities are equally important to me, but if I ONLY shot landscape - I honestly wouldn't be using either, because I'd have a Fuji GFX 100S and their lenses. THAT is a significant jump in resolution (and a minor one in DR), and the worse AF is irrelevant since you're shooting static subjects all the time.

If you look at Photons to Photos Dynamic Range testing, it puts the R5 at 11.85 stops at ISO 100, the A7R V at 11.69 stops, and the GFX 100S at 12.26 stops.

May 20, 2023 at 02:28 PM

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p.1 #4 · p.1 #4 · A new gear for landscape photography (EOS R5 or A7RV)

I've switched brands a few times and ended up with the canon R5 and gfx100s. I've been shooting both for 2 years and very happy with both systems. Prior to that I was a Sony and Nikon uses for several years. All systems today are so good and make great images. I enjoy the process of making images with my current gear more than anything else I've had in the past. With the Sonys I didnt like the ergonimics, how the camera felt in the hands and the out of box color. With the Sony files I had to spent time profiling and futzing a lot in post to get colors where I want them to be and even then I wasnt happy. Both my canon R5 and gfx produce outstanding colors out of the box which reduces post processing time. The R5 and RF ecosystem is expensive (relative to some other offerings) but well worth it.

May 20, 2023 at 02:50 PM

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p.1 #5 · p.1 #5 · A new gear for landscape photography (EOS R5 or A7RV)

The choice doesn’t likely matter as much as you might think. There are fine landscape photographers using both brands. The difference in resolution isn’t likely to be of any significance unless your very large prints are running into resolution-related issues.

Make the decision based on practical issues or even on your subjective feeling about the brands.

MSB84 wrote:
dear photographers,
I would like to ask you for advice on choosing a camera. I am a Canon shooter at heart and have been shooting with Canon equipment for more than 15 years. Practically my only domain is landscape photography, for which I use NiSi 15/4, Canon TS-E 24 II, Carl Zeiss Makro Planar 100/2 and Canon ef 200/2.8 II. For the past few years, my main body has been a Canon 5Dsr, which I replaced with an eos R last fall. The change brought me a number of positives (for example, I love the focus indicator, which I use a...Show more →

May 20, 2023 at 03:36 PM

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p.1 #6 · p.1 #6 · A new gear for landscape photography (EOS R5 or A7RV)

The OP mentioned the a7R V, not the a7R V. The IBIS is improved in the a7R V vs the a7R IV.

Not trying to influence the OPs decision, just wanted to clarify. There are other features of the a7R V that are not found on the a7R IV either, some of which benefit landscape shooting.

Jman13 wrote:
I have not used the A7R V, but I owned the A7R IV before switching back to Canon with the R5. IMO, the Sony does have very slightly better image quality if you're nitpicking due to the slightly higher resolution, but it's close enough to effectively not matter for real world use. Unless you are comparing side by side images at extreme magnifications, you'd never notice. I think the R5 is the better all around camera than the A7R IV, with better IBIS, better AF and much better ergonomics, though I understand the V made some improvements in AF. (note...Show more →

May 21, 2023 at 06:43 AM

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p.1 #7 · p.1 #7 · A new gear for landscape photography (EOS R5 or A7RV)

tsdevine wrote:
The OP mentioned the a7R V, not the a7R V. The IBIS is improved in the a7R V vs the a7R IV.

Not trying to influence the OPs decision, just wanted to clarify. There are other features of the a7R V that are not found on the a7R IV either, some of which benefit landscape shooting.

I am aware, and I mention that explicitly in my post. Also, they have the same sensor and the same image quality. The V has better AF, slightly improved IBIS (Though that's not super important for landscape work), and a few other improvements.

May 21, 2023 at 07:18 AM

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p.1 #8 · p.1 #8 · A new gear for landscape photography (EOS R5 or A7RV)

Sorry Jordan I missed that you mentioned that. I do think the IBIS does improve pixel shift (and there is the stabilize feature in the software), at least it seems to relative to the a7R III (I've never shot the a7R IV.) Along with the more flexible LCD to allow shooting in vertical orientation easier (think closer to the ground). Focus stacking is new, but I believe the R5 has that as well. Even the larger and improved EVF is nice for landscape shooting. I MF quite often, especially with my MF lenses.

Sorry I missed that qualification you made. Hopefully no harm no foul. Wasn't trying to influence the OP about his choice, but to me there are a few things on the a7R V that are an improvement for landscape shooters over the a7R IV.

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I am aware, and I mention that explicitly in my post. Also, they have the same sensor and the same image quality. The V has better AF, slightly improved IBIS (Though that's not super important for landscape work), and a few other improvements.

May 21, 2023 at 07:43 AM

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p.1 #9 · p.1 #9 · A new gear for landscape photography (EOS R5 or A7RV)

Oh I'm not upset. Just clarifying. There are definitely some improvements, but they seemed most concerned with image quality, where the differences are there but not huge.

Honestly, all the new mirrorless cameras are so good it's hard to get a camera that won't do a great job.

May 21, 2023 at 08:04 AM

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p.1 #10 · p.1 #10 · A new gear for landscape photography (EOS R5 or A7RV)

Guys,
many thanks for you replies! One thing I have to mention - Alongside with the landscape photography I would like to get into the wildlife photo (since I am a part-time ranger in our mountains). For this occasions, something like the old ef 500/4 L IS (by the way, I do not know if this lens is still serviceable) or ef 300/2.8 L IS II + 2xTC would be favourable. Sony would be better in this regard, since 200-600 lens is solid performer for a less amount of money...

May 21, 2023 at 11:06 AM

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p.1 #11 · p.1 #11 · A new gear for landscape photography (EOS R5 or A7RV)

MSB84 wrote:
Guys,
many thanks for you replies! One thing I have to mention - Alongside with the landscape photography I would like to get into the wildlife photo (since I am a part-time ranger in our mountains). For this occasions, something like the old ef 500/4 L IS (by the way, I do not know if this lens is still serviceable) or ef 300/2.8 L IS II + 2xTC would be favourable. Sony would be better in this regard, since 200-600 lens is solid performer for a less amount of money...

With that said, A7RV and 200-600 for sure. Better than an R5 and 100-500 for your needs.

May 21, 2023 at 01:32 PM

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p.1 #12 · p.1 #12 · A new gear for landscape photography (EOS R5 or A7RV)

i own the r5 and the sony a7r v a long with the z9 etc etc so ive got a good eye my opinion is the a7r v with pixel shift and APO voightlander lenses are sharper than amything ive owned reference quality as can be seen in this link
i think the r5 is a great camera but build quality in my opinion crap just my opinion

https://diglloyd.com/blog/2023/20230108_2028-SonyA7R_V-PixelShift-ComplexScenes.html

May 21, 2023 at 02:15 PM

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p.1 #13 · p.1 #13 · A new gear for landscape photography (EOS R5 or A7RV)

You could go all the way back to the A7Rii and have a better landscape camera than the R5.

There are very few features in the A7R5 that make it more appealing than the A7R4 purely for landscape. However if you want to dip a toe into wildlife, the A7R5 is obviously a better choice.

May 21, 2023 at 02:27 PM

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p.1 #14 · p.1 #14 · A new gear for landscape photography (EOS R5 or A7RV)

Hyperbole much?

andy271 wrote:
i think the r5… build quality in my opinion crap…

May 21, 2023 at 02:48 PM

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p.1 #15 · p.1 #15 · A new gear for landscape photography (EOS R5 or A7RV)

20fps is amazing for wildlife. Not sure the Sony can match that. I honestly don't know, I just recall a couple years ago when I was upgrading Sony bodies were slower by a lot. I got an R6 and never looked back.

Brian

May 21, 2023 at 06:57 PM

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p.1 #16 · p.1 #16 · A new gear for landscape photography (EOS R5 or A7RV)

If you already have Canon telephotos - the R5 for sure. I'd also take the 100-500 over the 200-600 any day. It has much better stabilization (very noticeable for video) and slightly better IQ. The lens is also very compact and weighs nothing. Could be also used for macro is you're ok with 1:3. The 200-600 is a behemoth of a lens.

May 21, 2023 at 08:45 PM

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p.1 #17 · p.1 #17 · A new gear for landscape photography (EOS R5 or A7RV)

The fact that you’ve been shooting Canon for 15 years makes me believe regardless of the best possible IQ, you will be happier using an R5 than a Sony camera.

May 21, 2023 at 11:43 PM

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p.1 #18 · p.1 #18 · A new gear for landscape photography (EOS R5 or A7RV)

andy271 wrote:
i own the r5 and the sony a7r v a long with the z9 etc etc so ive got a good eye my opinion is the a7r v with pixel shift and APO voightlander lenses are sharper than amything ive owned reference quality as can be seen in this link
i think the r5 is a great camera but build quality in my opinion crap just my opinion

https://diglloyd.com/blog/2023/20230108_2028-SonyA7R_V-PixelShift-ComplexScenes.html

Anybody claiming the R5 build quality is crap has absolutely no credibility. From personal experience to Lens Rentals teardowns, the R5 build quality is shown to be excellent.

May 21, 2023 at 11:44 PM

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p.1 #19 · p.1 #19 · A new gear for landscape photography (EOS R5 or A7RV)

Jesse Evans wrote:
Anybody claiming the R5 build quality is crap has absolutely no credibility. From personal experience to Lens Rentals teardowns, the R5 build quality is shown to be excellent.

I agree that the R5 does not feel great in the hand, I don’t like the plastics used, the mushy recessed buttons, etc.
However, it is in fact built well and it’s reliable.

May 22, 2023 at 05:41 AM

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p.1 #20 · p.1 #20 · A new gear for landscape photography (EOS R5 or A7RV)

The R5 build quality is great ! I used the A7r, 2 and 3 and would absolutely take the R5 over any other them ! I shoot landscapes, portraits and also do video work (music, video portraits etc). The Sony files seem to have slightly better dr but I absolutely hated the out-of-box colors with the Sonys not to mention how much time I had to spend in post fixing colors, skin tones etc.

May 22, 2023 at 12:25 PM

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